Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 October 10

= October 10 =

Adding fair use images 80 years old from a personal collection
I have images relevant to my biography of Albert Soiland, MD provided by a Soiland heir. By their age - 75 years+ - they are fair use, but I am confused as to the procedure of uploading them to fit the rules. MartinKL1947 (talk) 01:25, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * See WP:NFCC. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh.... 03:07, 10 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Depending on the photographer and the country in which it was taken, you may have better alternatives. Fair use will force you to upload here rather than to Commons. Commons is better if applicable because it allows the other language Wikipedias to use the photo. But if the photographer was a family member, the heir may have inherited the copyright with the estate and would be able to upload it with the appropriate CC-BY-SA license to Commons. Alternatively, if a good-faith effort cannot discover the photographer's name, then in some countries the copyright falls into the public domain after 70 years from when it was produced, and again it can be uploaded to Commons. I'm sorry this is so complicated, but copyright law is a mess and we must follow it. SO: try to decide which of these options applies, and we can then help you get it uploaded. -Arch dude (talk) 04:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Something seems to be wrong with this template.
Template:Horizontal TOC seems to not be working. See: List of feature film series with two entries.★Trekker (talk) 10:59, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems to be working correctly on my end, what does it look like in your browser? Not horizontal? – Thjarkur (talk) 11:10, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah its not horizontal and there are weird punctuations between each letter.★Trekker (talk) 11:34, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Shows up correctly even in Internet Explorer 11 and with all skins. Does it work if you switch browsers? – Thjarkur (talk) 12:07, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes it seems to work on Internet Explorer! How odd.★Trekker (talk) 12:10, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , this is what I see when I go to the page. Have you tried purging? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  12:07, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * How do I purge?★Trekker (talk) 12:10, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , if you go to the top of the article page, you should see a dropdown menu when you hover over "More". "Purge" is the first thing you should see. Alternatively you should also be able to purge with the key combination . — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  12:13, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you!★Trekker (talk) 12:18, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , you're welcome. Did you manage to solve the problem? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  22:17, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Not yet, but I will figure it out.★Trekker (talk) 22:26, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , what browser are you using? Does it appear if you disable all extensions? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  23:17, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm using Google Chrome, but for some reason there are notifications that show up that say "your Chrome is false" or similar, no idea what that is about.★Trekker (talk) 23:19, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , are you using the most up-to-date version of Chrome (Version 85.0.4183.121 (Official Build))? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  23:24, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Not sure, I'm borrowing my father's work computer because my regular one's charger broke.★Trekker (talk) 23:26, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Might just be a computer-specific browser issue then. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 )  00:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

One of my edits was rolled back, why?
I made an edit to the Taurids meteor page which I thought made it a little tidier.

Next time I used Wikipedia I saw that a notice was waiting for me telling me that my edit had been rolled back.

This is it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:2001:470:6976:44:82EE:73FF:FE01:27F0

It didn't seem to me that I'd done anything objectionable to the page, just removed some duplication, and I wonder what I did wrong.

I tried to find out for myself, but the attempt was so exhausting that I gave up, convinced that I would never get any closer to my objective without skilled help.

Ged Haywood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:470:6976:44:82EE:73FF:FE01:27F0 (talk) 15:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * If you click on the "History" tab you can see the edit summaries others have used. In this case your edit was reverted because you removed a reference without mentioning why (it may have been accidental). If you meant to remove the reference, just re-do your edit and mention "Removing sentence which duplicates the previous sentence" or something along those lines. – Thjarkur (talk) 15:32, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Is there a guide on how (or even whether) to split surname pages into subsections?
Where a surname page has a large number of entries (say, over 20 or 30 entries), I and others sometimes split it into subsections by the person's field, such as arts, politics, sport etc. An example is González (surname). I've always felt it's easier to use as if a reader only knows the surname, they'll probably know the field as well.

I see there's another practice, which is to sort strictly by given name - for example, Robinson (name). This too is fine for the reader provided they of course know the given name (in which case they'd perhaps just type the full name into the search field in the first place). But I feel this other practice creates an almost useless page if the reader is trying to find, say, a football player where they only have the surname.

So is there a guide or essay or something on this matter? (I have been searching, but not found anything).

--A bit iffy (talk) 16:38, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

BIOGRAPHY
Greetings, please I need assistance to publish my biography on Wikipedia

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Her Majesty, Amb. Dr. Uba Iwunwa (talk • contribs) 20:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a place for people to write about themselves or tell the world about themselves. Please see the autobiograpy policy. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. In order for you to be successful in writing about yourself, you would need to in essence forget everything you know about yourself and only write based on the content of independent sources.  Most people cannot do that. If you meet the definition of a notable person, someone will eventually take note of you in independent sources and choose to write about you.
 * Be advised that a Wikipedia article about yourself is not necessarily desirable. There are good reasons to not want one. 331dot (talk) 20:06, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Interlanguage links
I have a question about interlanguage links, specifically the link "jp." If you go to m:List of Wikipedias, you will see a list of Wikipedias with the number of articles for each one and also the interlanguage links. On the bottom where it says Deprecated, moved and other, it will show you some language codes that redirect to another, for example, da:Forside is equivalent to dk:Forside. Also, cs:Hlavní strana is equivalent to cz:Hlavní strana. Is the prefix ja: equivalent to jp:? "jp:" is never listed on m:List of Wikipedias, and if you go to incubator:Wp/jp, it will tell you that "jp" is an unknown language code. https://ja.wikipedia.org is equivalent to https://jp.wikipedia.org, but https://jp.wikiversity.org does NOT redirect to https://ja.wikiversity.org. What is up with the "jp" interwiki prefix, and why is it causing so much ambiguity? --Gioguch (talk) 21:49, 10 October 2020 (UTC)


 * "JP" is the country code for Japan. There's no Japan Wikipedia, rather as there's no USA Wikipedia. There do exist a Japanese-language Wikipedia (ja.wikipedia.org) and an English-language Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org). The Wikimedia Foundation seems to have provided "jp.wikipedia.org" as a redirect to ja.wikipedia.org (a fact that I hadn't previously realized). The provision of this redirect rather surprises me. (If I were in a disputatious mood I might say that it discriminates against speakers in Japan of Ainu or Ryūkyūan, or indeed against speakers in Japan of Korean or Portuguese or whatever, but luckily I'm not.) If you think that a redirect from jp.wikiversity.org to ja.wikiversity.org would be beneficial, then you might ask for it; but obviously this is not a Wikipedia matter, so this isn't the right place to discuss it let alone ask for it. -- Hoary (talk) 02:12, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Can I copy an existing template and use?
I want to write about an individual in the medical field, can I use a template from another area for my article?

E.g using Template: musician/artist to an article about a medical personnel Patrick 08068897507 (talk) 23:51, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You could, but it's not a good idea Use . If that won't work for you, use . If your situation is really strange, go ask for help at the talk page of one of those templates. -Arch dude (talk) 00:13, 11 October 2020 (UTC)