Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 October 13

= October 13 =

Picture of Leif Garrett
Can someone please up load a more recent picture of Leif Garrett. The picture used is very old and unflattering. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:1D4:501F:1:B000:8CB0:91EC:F339 (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Certainly. Anyone who has a better picture to which they own the copyright may upload it. -Arch dude (talk) 02:40, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

I had never heard of Leif Garrett so I looked at the article. The caption says it is a 2017 picture. Three years for a man of that age is not "very old." Surely it is not wikipedia's job to be flattering but to be as accurate as the sources available allow? I don't think the picture needs changing.Spinney Hill (talk) 08:28, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually a very old pic of Leif Garrett would be flattering, and more representative, as he was a "teen idol". The couple of images that show up in a google search for CC-BY-SA are -NC and cannot be used. I don't know if a fair use argument can be made per WP:NFCC as the older pics might serve to better identify him. —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 22:48, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

accesso in lingua inglese
Buongiorno, vorrei accedere ai contenuti in lingua inglese ma appaiono per una frazione di secondo e poi vengono tradotti in italiano molto approssimativamente. Come devo fare? Grazie--79.40.206.186 (talk) 01:01, 13 October 2020 (UTC)--79.40.206.186 (talk) 01:01, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Google translation: Hello, I would like to access the contents in English but they appear for a fraction of a second and then are translated into Italian very roughly. How should I do?  —2606:A000:1126:28D:DD0E:3587:F478:5F75 (talk) 01:06, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Google Translate è attivato? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  01:17, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Certo, perché no? --2606:A000:1126:28D:DD0E:3587:F478:5F75 (talk) 02:12, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * è possibilimente il problma. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:50, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The IP OP probably needs to clarify. The only thing that comes to mind is that there is an app or browser extension involved. 2606:A000:1126:28D:DD0E:3587:F478:5F75 (talk) 05:36, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I don't use Google Translate often, so I'm not sure if it has the ability to auto-translate pages. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  07:02, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Chrome browser on Windows has Google Translate built-in. Look for the "$G/文$" logo at the right-hand end of the address bar (for me, it's next to the star for "bookmark this tab").  Click/tap that and you should get the option to switch between Italian and English.  See . Or do you have a different browser/OS? — Hope that helps, Pelagic ( messages ) – (18:15 Wed 14, AEST) 08:15, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Ending a section title with a quotation mark
Could anyone please tell me if it's ever acceptable to end a non-quoted section title with a quotation mark? (Edit: Could anyone also please tell me if it's all right to begin a non-quoted section title with an indefinite article?)--Thylacine24 (talk) 01:27, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * See Manual_of_Style. One of the items is that sections should not be phrased like a question. RudolfRed (talk) 01:35, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh man, I'm sorry. I meant to write "question mark". Could you please tell me if I should edit the original question and title to reflect this? Anyway, thanks.--Thylacine24 (talk) 01:38, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would make your question more clear, even though I knew what you meant apparently. RudolfRed (talk) 01:41, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Could you please tell me what you think about starting a section title with an indefinite article? I only skimmed the MOS section you linked to (sorry), though I don't think it said anything about article usage.--Thylacine24 (talk) 01:49, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It follows the same guideline as Manual_of_Style. Dont start with A, An, or The, and use nouns or noun phrases.  RudolfRed (talk) 02:05, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--Thylacine24 (talk) 02:42, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * And this is about (mainspace) articles, right? Question marks and leading articles are acceptable in summaries/section titles for talk page sections. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 22:54, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Link not working
Could you please fix the "IT Professional" link from the "List of IEEE publications" webpage?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IEEE_publications

When hovering over "IT Professional" you can see the URL is supposed to be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT_Professional_(magazine)

However, currently, when you click on it there is a redirect to the "List of IEEE publications" webpage.

For an example of how this link should work, please see the rest of the publications links on "List of IEEE publications".

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibojanova (talk • contribs) 02:47, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , working as intended. Someone noted that the redirect is printworthy, so the redirect could be removed and an article written in its place if there are sufficient reliable sources to support it. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:48, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Adding person to list?
hello, I am sorry to be so useless but I want to add a name to the list of recipients of the Military Cross. My grandfather Major Frank Bullivant RA was awarded the Military Cross in Normandy in July 1944 supporting the Canadian Light Infantry at Buron. He was then awarded a bar to his military cross in 1945 for frequent acts of bravery and leadership in France and Belgium. I have copies of his recommendations from the national archives. How can I make this addition? I have on several occasions donated to wikipedia if that helps!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stonetribe (talk • contribs) 03:13, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The first thing would be to make sure that Bullivant meets Wikipedia's notability standards. Are there reliable, independent sources that can corroborate your claim? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:42, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * almost all lists on Wikipedia are actually lists of articles that already exist on Wikipedia. Each entry on the list of Military Cross recipients links to the associated article. To add Major Bullivant, we need an article first. But an article must be about a subject that meets our definition for notability. Not all recipients of the Military Cross will meet this requirement, so not all recipients are listed. -Arch dude (talk) 03:50, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

How Do I start to create a biography for a friend?
Hi

A friend has asked me to create a Wikipedia biography listing for him.

How do I get started?

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Capone The Benefactor (talk • contribs) 03:32, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , understand that Wikipedia is not a place for "listings", but articles that convey knowledge about the subject (without advocating for or promoting them). Is your friend notable per Wikipedia's standards, and are you willing to declare a conflict of interest? If so, I suggest starting at articles for creation. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:39, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Pls help me to translate this page in english https://hi.wikipedia.org/s/irc2
need help to translate this page in english — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skyfly11 (talk • contribs) 04:59, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . See the answer from the last time you asked this question here at . —teb728 t c 05:09, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

declined article query
Hi

I Mudasir Bhat had sent my article recently which was my autobiography and had linked the numerous links for all the work that I have done in my 10 years long career. But my article was declined for some reason and hence I want more specifications on why it was done. With due respect need to know this as soon as possible so that I can make alterations and re send for review. Waiting for your reply

Regards Mudasir R Bhat — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mudasir R Bhat (talk • contribs) 07:35, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not like social media; this is an encyclopedia, and as an encyclopedia it is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves. Please read the autobiography policy for more information.  If you meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person, someone will eventually take note of your career in independent reliable sources and choose to write about you.  Be advised that a Wikipedia article about you is not necessarily a good thing. 331dot (talk) 07:43, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a vehicle to promote or "Spread the word" about somebody. Please be advised that there are reasons why one would rather not have a Wikipedia article. In addition to that, nobody owns a Wikipedia article. Even if the article would be created, it would not be your article, but Wikipedia's article about you. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 07:43, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

John Lewis/Edmund Pettus Bridge
How do I locate the iconic Image of John Lewis being pushed and hit over the head after crossing the Edmund Pettus Bridge on Bloody Sunday in Selma, Alabama &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   07:39, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * By googling for it? I quickly arrived here. NB the photograph is [conventionally] copyright. -- Hoary (talk) 08:12, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Hoary. I quickly arrived in No Mans Land. Searched for 1/2 hour before asking. Creating a RL collage. Thanks.&#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   12:16, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Ryan Farquhar
Hi, there’s a few things on my details that’s well out of date, is it possible to change them please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:F914:9801:257B:D1C4:C8DB:F2BA (talk) 09:35, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


 * (Courtesy link: Ryan Farquhar) Hello Ryan. As you may or may not know, subjects of articles are discouraged from editing their own articles directly, because of our concerns with their inevitable Conflict of interest.
 * The best way to go about this is for you to go to the Talk page for the article, click on the "New section" tab at the top, enter a Subject/headline title such as "Requested changes", and then type in the text section a list of what bits of text you would like:
 * changed, in the form of "Change Xxxx xxx xxx" to "Yyyy yyy yyy";
 * or removed without substitution;
 * or added.
 * For each change, subtraction or addition we need a published source for the information involved, so that a citation to the source can be created that any reader can (at least in theory) check for themselves. These might be newspaper or magazine articles, passages in books, etc., and we need the publication's title, date, the page the information appears on, the author or writer (where known); in short, anything that would help someone to find the source in, say, a good public library. (Links to the information online are useful, but not a requirement.)
 * For some uncontrovertial facts, we might include information from a subject's official website or similar. We insist on published information only, because of the risk of mischievious persons trying to add false information – such attempts happen all the time, and actually we don't know that you – "2A00:23C7:F914:9801:257B:D1C4:C8DB:F2BA" – are really Ryan Farquhar, although I'm presuming you are.
 * Once you've made your editing requests, add the code (Including the double curly brackets) at the top of your text, and an experienced editor will be prompted to look at your suggestions and decide which to implement and how to do so. The editor may ask for clarification or further information about some points, and you can reply to them in the Talk page section in the same way that we're communicating here, or on that editor's own personal Talk page if they prefer.
 * I hope this is helpful, and may I say how much I've enjoyed watching you and your rivals racing over the years. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.162.83 (talk) 10:34, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Article On Qutab/Qutb Minar Is Incorrect And Is Filled With Biased
This Is To Inform You That The Article On Qutab/Qutb Minar Is False And Needs To Be Changed Again As The Original author Didnt Change It Some Random Dude Affilated To The Right Wing Hindutva Group Is Trying To Tamper With The History Of It For Creating Political Unrest,I Request You To Either Take Down This Page Or Make Changes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xcelciorknight (talk • contribs) 10:14, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I see that you have already raised this at Talk:Qutb Minar, which is the best place to engage with the authors involved. A quick look at the history of the article shows over 200 edits by many people in the past six months, so it is not just an individual who has written it.  I suggest being more specific with your comments - which particular claims do you have an issue with, and what do you recommend instead... --Gronk Oz (talk) 10:52, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * This is about Qutb Minar. There has been some recent edit warring: some would like the article to be about the mosque, others, just about the minaret. Maproom (talk) 11:03, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Urgent change to Daniel Sachs article/alias
Dear Help Desk,

Today I published an english article on my employer, a Swedish Business leader Daniel Sachs. However, when searching for "Daniel Sachs" in English, I am redirected to Demonology 101, as "Daniel Sachs" has been used as an alias to this page. I have now written on the Demonology 101 Article discussion and tried to remove the alias with edits, and still this problem is occuring. Could you fix this?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Kindly, Daniel Sachs Foundation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosenmås (talk • contribs) 11:21, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, there are a couple of issues to address. Before doing anything else you must read WP:COI and WP:PAID and make the necessary declarations. The latter page is mandatory under Wikipedia's terms of use. The changes you made to Daniel Sachs were undone by one of Wikipedia's most experienced reviewers as they did not feel there was sufficient notability demonstrated. If you wish to create an article for your employer please go via WP:WIZ or WP:AfC and create a draft which can be submitted for review. Please do not edit the redirected page again. Some links and advice have been left at your talk page. Please study them carefully before proceeding. If you *do* start a draft you should disambiguate the title E.g. "Daniel Sachs (businessman)" or whatever qualifier you feel is suitable. Eagleash (talk) 12:45, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Irrespective of the claims of the Swedish businessman, I am dubious whether that redirect is required, since the name "Daniel Sachs" is nowhere mentioned in Demonology 101. I presume it is a character which was once mentioned in the article, but has been removed. I have raised this at WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 13, but I don't know if redirects are usually deleted in these circumstances. --ColinFine (talk) 16:09, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Please also read There is no deadline. We are all unpaid volunteers. This may be "urgent" for you, but it is not "urgent" from the perspective of building an encyclopedia. -Arch dude (talk) 19:13, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I have reversed the merger of wikidata items for Daniel Sachs (Q6087710) and Demonology 101 (Q5256274), which are different subjects. TSventon (talk) 20:31, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Ealeash ColinFine Thank you for seperating Demonology 101 from Daniel Sachs. We suggest adding "Swedish Business leader" (direct translation of the Swedish article) to the current English Daniel Sachs page. We appologize for unintentionally overstepping compliance and will be sure to make a proper disclosure statement in future edits on the topic. Rosenmås (talk) 11:27, 15 October 2020 (UTC)Rosenmås
 * Updating the redirect at Daniel Sachs is under discussion at WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 13, so you can make suggestions there, noting your conflict of interest. The only suggestion so far is to redirect to Proventus. Don't worry about making mistakes when you start editing Wikipedia, just try to follow guidance once you are aware of it. If you want to notify editors User:Eagleash and User:ColinFine you need to prefix their names with "User:" as I did here. TSventon (talk) 13:40, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Logo update Saxo Bank
Hi there,

Saxo Bank is updating its logo soon. We would like to put in a request to update it.

How should we proceed, thank you.

Stay corona-free,

Robbin Christian Wolfs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.16.141.5 (talk) 13:40, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Once the logo is actually updated, you can post a request at Talk:Saxo Bank. You will need to cite to a reliable source establishing that the bank has changed its logo. If you prefer, when the time comes you can leave a note at User talk:El cid, el campeador and I can take care of it. I removed your personal information because this is a highly visible page. I would also ask you to take a look at COI - you have not violated these guidelines, but if you continue to edit WP regarding your employer, you may run into issues. Thanks. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia  talk  14:31, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

"Search Wikipedia" box issues
Hello, I apologise if this is not the right place for this but I don't know where else to ask.

When I click on the Wikipedia search box (to search for an article, user, etc) a bunch of preselected words appear that I searched in the past in a dropdown menu. This is not coming from Wikipedia, rather I believe these words are saved by my browser or something (in a cache?) as they are my past searches. The issue is that I don't want people to see these, and anytime I click the box to make a search the list reappears. Does anyone know how I can stop or clear this? If it matters I'm on Chrome and this issue has happened across two devices.

I appreciate anyone's help. 173.48.200.96 (talk) 13:43, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * See here for how to disable Chrome's autofill. In addition to this you can go to "Settings > Clear browsing data > Advanced > Auto-fill form data" to delete your currently saved searches – Thjarkur (talk) 15:44, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that appears to have done it for now. 173.48.200.96 (talk) 19:17, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaacov_Agam
Hello. I am a son of artist Yaacov Agam and have noticed that the first line describing my fathers life is not correct. It should be read as follow below.

Yaacov Agam is an Israeli artist and sculptor best known for his pioneering of Kinetic Art.

How can we adjust this?

Ron Agam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.232.181.129 (talk) 18:52, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Since you have a WP:COI, you should discuss this on the article's talk page at Talk:Yaacov Agam instead of making the edit yourself. If at all possible, cite a reliable source that makes this distinction. Otherwise, you may be able to argue that the existing sources show that your wording is more accurate than the existing wording. Add the magic incantation request edit (with the double curly brackets) to the talk page section to attract the attention of an editor. -Arch dude (talk) 19:06, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The current introduction seems fine. "Pioneering" is usually unnecessary puffery, "contributions" is usually better. But in general you can suggest improvements on the article's talk page, see the guidelines for editors with a conflict of intrest for other pointers. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:09, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Restore accessibility of article page that has been to redirected to less-relevant article
I spotted an unusual edit in Penjing a few days back, in which the content of a distantly related article was copied in whole to Penjing. Not necessarily a concern in itself, and something that can be sorted out by the maintainers of Penjing. But the original article, Bonkei, was simultaneously redirected to Penjing, making it inaccessible to its own maintainers. This is not a question about the proper content of Penjing, but about the Bonkei article that I would like to see in its original Wikipedia place with its original edit history.

Questions

[1] In what Wikipedia forum or process would the existence of the Bonkei article be defended and the redirect lifted?

[2] Once the redirect is lifted, does the hidden Bonkei page reappear with all its edit history and page stats, or do these records restart from empty?

[3] Is it expected or mandated that the maintainer who first implemented that redirect be involved in lifting it?

Thanks!

Sahara110 (talk) 19:31, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


 * The history is still there at Bonkei, and it's still accessible. On September 11,  initiated a merge discussion at Talk:Penjing. Having received no opposition, on September 22, HaussmannSaintLazare completed the merge, leaving Bonkei as a redirect.  If you object to the merge, please make the case for undoing it at Talk:Penjing. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 20:04, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


 * ONUnicorn; Thanks for your reply and the useful information. In original question order, I understand you to be saying:


 * [1] The continued existence of the Bonkei article can be defended and the redirect lifted by objecting to the merge, making the case for undoing it at Talk:Penjing. It sounds as though the Bonkei maintainers and users need not be involved.


 * [2] Clicking on the link you provided to Bonkei does not display the original page contents to me, instead popping up the Penjing article as compelled by the redirect on Bonkei's page address. I accept your assurance that everything Bonkei's still there or still somewhere it can be recovered from. But I'd like to read the Bonkei article and the last couple years of edit history to see what user or maintainer concerns may have been leading to this unexpected move. Is there a special code word, link, or incantation to see what you have seen - the original article contents and its edit history - that would work for a non-expert like me?


 * [3] If I'm understanding correctly, the original Penjing article editor who blocked access to the Bonkei article and edit history will be involved in the lifting the redirect because the discussion will take place in the Penjing "Talk" page. The WP principle I believe I'm being introduced to is that the original request to block access to the Bonkei article (and associated data) took place on the Penjing Talk page and therefore the discussion of regaining access to the original Bonkei article will have to take place there. The Penjing page editor who set up the redirect will know the discussion is taking place by virtue of its location on the Penjing Talk page. But the maintainers and users of the Bonkei page will not automagically be made aware of this discussion of the redirection, and the Bonkei Talk page will not host any part of the discussion. (The Bonkei Talk page may not even be visible to naive WP users like me.)


 * If anyone knows how I can review the now-hidden Bonkei page and associated information (mentioned under point [2]), I would love to try it.


 * I feel like I should restore the Bonkei page to WP, but I'm not sure I have standing (within WP or its social community) to influence the hard-working maintainers over at Penjing to participate. Nevertheless, thank you for the insights in your reply.

Sahara110 (talk) 21:15, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Access the Bonkei page: this will get you to the Penjing page and will put a line "redirected from the Bonkei" page" at the top of the article. Click on that link. You will reach the actual Bonkei page, which is now a redirect. Click on the "view history" of that page to see all of the prior versions. -Arch dude (talk) 21:23, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Arch dude; Well done, much appreciated. Thanks! Sahara110 (talk) 21:30, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Hermann von Siemens
In the 4th para of the article about Siemens, it states that despite being charged with war crimes, "no prosecution was filed, as there were no personal misdeeds (is this an appropriate term?) traceable." He was the head of a company in Nazi Germany which profited from slave labour from 8 (eight) concentration camps - at least 50 000 people, in the 'death through work' programme. He bought many Jewish companies which the Nazis forced their Jewish owners to sell at knock down prices. He was also a personal friend of Heinrich Himmler and part of his inner circle. The reason why charges were not brought against Hermann von Siemens was much more to do with the importance of the company to counter the perceived threat from the Soviet Union post-war. He was like so many other top industrialists, scientists and military personnel in Nazi Germany, who were protected by the Allies, especially the Americans. This may be unpalatable but it is the case. I'm not suggesting this is put in such bald terms but surely his culpability should be alluded to in some way. Andy Saunders — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saundmcl (talk • contribs) 19:56, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , this should be discussed over at the article's talk page. Any reliable sources you have on hand to support your claims will be helpful. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  20:07, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * please discuss this on the article's talk page at Talk:Hermann von Siemens. Make suggestions for specific changes, and cite reliable sources (WP:RS). You may also choose to just be bold (WP:BOLD) and edit the article directly, but be sure to cite sources. If you do, someone may choose to revert your edit. No hard feelings if that occurs, just go discuss it on the talk page: WP:BRD. -Arch dude (talk) 20:12, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Reflist on Phil Gallagher
Can anyone help with Phil Gallagher? The reflist is buried at the end of a table and I can't work out what has happened here or how to resolve it. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 20:29, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's been fixed. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 20:36, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

The award business
Think of an area within what are loosely termed the arts, and chances are that hopeful drafts for articles on rather obscure exponents of this area will mention receipt of various and often grandly named awards. Investigate these awards, and you find that for a lot of them, entry costs quite a bit, there are many categories, there are many winners, and the only people who seem to mention the awards are the winners, on their CVs. The winning stuff isn't bad (if you like the particular genre), but arguably these are mere vanity awards. Do we have a guideline somewhere about excluding vanity awards from lists of awards in biographical articles, and about how/where to draw the line between legit and vanity awards? -- Hoary (talk) 22:36, 13 October 2020 (UTC), slightly rephrased 02:07, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure where we would put such a guideline. I'm tempted to propose that we should not list a non-notable award (i.e., an award that does not have an article). We do require that only notable awards contribute to notability (see WP:NARTIST WP:ANYBIO), but that's not the same as saying that they should not be in the article. Side issue: the vanity award article does not appear to have an "artistic" section, but as you say, the field is rife with them. -Arch dude (talk) 04:01, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sometimes,, I too think that we shouldn't bother to mention an award that doesn't get an article, but then I see mentions of awards that lack articles but that I know (OR!) are nevertheless widely recognized indicators of remarkable achievement. (One problem is that if articles about awards must strictly accord with notability guidelines, they're almost impossible to create. From the newspaper/magazine coverage of each year's winners, it's clear -- to a thinking human, if not to a Wikipedia-guideline-trained robot -- that the awards are notable, but these news articles say next to nothing about the awards themselves.) One difference that's obvious to me is that the awards I'm sure are notable typically have just one or two winners per year, whereas the dodgy ones have twelve or more, what with their subcategories, their silvers and bronzes, and so forth. (I've even encountered listings in en:WP bio articles of awards that turned out to be distributed by the dozen every month.) I've a hunch that somewhere in the jungle of project pages lurks a carefully honed recipe of how to judge this sort of thing. (Meanwhile, people are still being noted for their recognition by (i.e. payment to) the "International Biographical Centre" for this or that.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:18, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations, Android user! You've won!
An editor has, I'd guess innocently, added a "reference" to a page that obnoxiously throws up congratulatory crap to whoever arrives there. (I closed the particular browser and wiped out its cache and data: no harm done.) Well, conceivably the particular website has only temporarily been taken over by lowlifes, so I hesitate before adding it to the spam blacklist. (Plus nobody has spammed it.) Do we have a set procedure for this? (In the meantime, I've just commented it out.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:36, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes - revert the trash off and bring it up at WP:AN/I. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh.... 06:27, 14 October 2020 (UTC)