Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 October 15

= October 15 =

Kion Shariff Fulton Wilson
how do I change it from user: Kion " Shariff " Fulton-Wilson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kion " Shariff " Fulton-Wilson (talk • contribs) 00:40, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Changing username. This is Paul (talk) 00:55, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed?
Am I extended-confirmed yet? I have made over 500 edits to Wikipedia and on my user page it says that I have been on Wikipedia for a month, but I still seem to be autoconfirmed. What's going on? --Gioguch (talk) 01:07, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Your account was created at 2020-09-15T15:22:48Z (UTC). 30 days from then is 2020-10-15T15:22:48Z, over 14 hours from now, though I wouldn't expect it to happen exactly then. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 01:19, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Most Mysterious song on the internet
I made an update to the Wikipedia article about the most mysterious song on the internet which was then removed by somebody. Please contact me so I can discuss the changes I made or give me the contact information of who controls the removal of information and who first posted it. I was the singer of the song and wrote the lyrics in an ad lid contest in the early 1980s. If you need some type of proof of this let me know what I need to furnish to you to prove this? There was no copyright filed on it and I had no idea they had recorded me when it was sang in the contest but will furnish you whatever it will take to prove this.

Thank you.

Randal Turner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:9A7F:6050:8C54:D7CD:DC6D:742A (talk) 01:27, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The place to discuss this is on the article's talk page. Information must come from reliable published sources, not your personal knowledge. RudolfRed (talk) 01:41, 15 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but that is not how Wikipedia works. We are crowdsourced, with more than 10 million editors over the last 20 years and more than 100,000 in the last 30 days. All content is added by these anonymous editors. We have no means, and no desire, to validate the identity of any editor. All content therefore must be cited to published reliable sources: see WP:RS. -Arch dude (talk) 01:51, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, see WP:NPOV and WP:PUFFERY regarding statements like "Most Mysterious song on the internet", which, even if you could find a source that said it, would be unencyclopedic and inappropriate for a Wikipedia article. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 08:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link: The Most Mysterious Song on the Internet. I do not see where you made a change or where one was reverted recently.  The appropriate place to discuss changes to that article would be on Talk:The Most Mysterious Song on the Internet. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 13:07, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * (I struck my remarks above. I didn't realize that it was the title of an article about a song actually known by that name.) —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 02:03, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

There is incorrect information on the Adderall page
There is incorrect information on the Adderall page. The TAAR info has human in front of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.119.7.162 (talk) 01:48, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Not an error, as it redirects to TAAR. Please go to the talk page to discuss this further. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  01:55, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

My request
I submitted a request Trndsettr4fire (talk) 01:58, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , indeed you have. Do you have a question for the help desk? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  02:06, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Can it get review? Trndsettr4fire (talk) 02:07, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Someone will look at it eventually, but with what you've got so far it's virtually going to get declined. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  02:10, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * And It has been declined. You may have a look at User:Ian.thomson/Howto. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 07:58, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Enable previews button does not work
Earlier, I disabled the previews feature. However, when I clicked on the "Enable Previews" button, nothing happens. I don't even the option to enable previews. What is going on? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.25.0.66 (talk) 08:10, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing that you've logged out of your account. Try logging in again.--Shantavira|feed me 10:56, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

I was never logged in to begin with. I don't even have an account. Is there a way to fix the "Enable Previews" button? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.25.0.66 (talk) 19:06, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

How to cite with "et al" in the Visual Editor
Now that "display-authors" is deprecated is there a way to do this in Visual Editor please? I have been advised to limit to 6 authors.

Chidgk1 (talk) 08:24, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * displayauthors is deprecated; display-authors (with the hyphen) is not deprecated:
 * While displayauthors is deprecated, it is still functional. There are several editors currently running awb scripts that are cleaning up newly deprecated cs1|2 parameters.  You might want to edit the TemplateData for whichever cs1|2 template you are using to remove displayauthors or find someone who will (I will not be that someone).
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:39, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:39, 15 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes on the visual editor it is called "Display authors" (should I put a screenshot here and if so how - by the way imgur is blocked in this country) and when I click the "i" in a circle it says "Number of authors to display before 'et al.' is used. By default, all authors are displayed. Examples: |display-authors=2 will display only the first two authors in a citation followed by et al. |display-authors=etal displays all authors in the list followed by et al." but when I actually try and use it it tries to use the deprecated one without the hyphen and gives a message "Cite uses deprecated parameter |displayauthors". I just used the "automatic" cite function in Visual Editor on to https://doi.org/10.5194%2Fessd-11-1783-2019 and I think that decided it was a journal. So is the problem in the automatic function rather than the "cite journal" template? (by the way unless there is some way I can just "watch" this question please could you ping me). Chidgk1 (talk) 06:44, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , why not just switch to the source editor once you've done everything on visual? I find templates to be way easier to work with in source. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  07:20, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That is fine for me now as an old techie, but unfortunately Greenhouse gas emissions by Turkey are likely to continue for decades and if I manage to get it to FA the article will need maintaining to stay there, and I suspect in future editors new to Wikipedia will not bother to learn source editing. Does anyone know where the code for the automatic cite function lives? Chidgk1 (talk) 05:59, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Visual editor: citing the same source with different page numbers?
I remember a while ago seeing some info about some effort to do this tidily (perhaps in Phabricator: Citoid or https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/visualeditor-mediawiki-references/) but now I cannot find it. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:28, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * One approach is to use . -Arch dude (talk) 15:53, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * (Pinging . —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 00:06, 16 October 2020 (UTC))


 * Oh yes thanks https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/Book_referencing is linked from there but not ready yet Chidgk1 (talk) 06:13, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Surname
Could you add the last name Flatland as a name in Wikipedia. I cant find any family history anywhere but it would be nice if it were recognized as a surname. Thank you D. Flatland — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.41.205.17 (talk) 11:22, 15 October 2020 (UTC)


 * No, you're asking at the wrong website. -- Hoary (talk) 12:30, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

"Table within a table" coding
Dear experts,

I have configured a table within a table on my User:SCHolar44/subpage6 page. As show in the table, I need to move the Column 2 heading up to the top of the column, and to have a [Show] button to disclose text currently in the form of Lorem ipsum "greeking". The current "Summary" heading and adjacent button would go. I would greatly appreciate advice on how to do this.

In the Edit view, I have also included a note asking what the purpose of a "width="40%" line is.

Sincerely, Simon – SCHolar44 🇦🇺 &#128172; at, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Vivo Energy Page
Hi, I work for a digital agency that manages the website of Vivo Energy and they have requested that I help them with changing information that is wrong or out of date on the page for the company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivo_Energy.

I have left comments on the talk page to try and get some things changed however the editor that has been helping me feels that they can't take too many suggestions from me due to my conflict of interest on this, however some of the information on the page is still incorrect. I appreciate that this editor is just trying to stick to guidelines and the spirit of the guidelines, so I don't want to spend time trying to persuade them to make the edit - is there a way that I can get the attention of other editors on this page so that they can review the requested changes for me?

Thanks --TomTCantarus (talk) 11:53, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , if you have a client relationship with Vivo you must declare this; generally it is done on your user page. The template paid can be used to do so. If you would like interested editors to see your requests, use the edit request system. I also recommend rereading WP:RS, as sources used here must be reliable and independent. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:36, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

How to edit suggested articles?
Where do i go to edit a suggested article to? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exptix (talk • contribs) 14:21, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Could you please clarify what you're asking? Are you looking for articles to edit? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:30, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * User:SuggestBot might be of interest, it can suggest pages to edit based on user's prior edit history and/or specified interests. 2606:A000:1126:28D:A993:1D91:B432:3122 (talk) 19:00, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Question about cryptic wikilinks
If you go the article on the River Wye and looks on the talk page, one will see a sub-section entitled "ENGLISH-WALES BORDER". There some one says "Some people would say Monmouthshire is in England". User: Ghmyrtle has typed a reply saying "Some people are wrong, that is why we write educational articles such as "this". The word "this" is in blue letters, suggesting it is a wikilink, and indeed if you click on it one does get to an article on Monmouthshire. My question is, how does one get to do what User: Ghmyrtle has done and type a simple word such as "this" and make it a wikilink to a Wikipedia article? Many thanks for any help, Vorbee (talk) 15:03, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * This is called piping. Ghmyrtle typed this to produce this, and I typed piping to produce piping. I hope that makes sense! DuncanHill (talk) 15:07, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Dear User: DuncanHill, thank you for your very prompt response. I have tried piping on the sandbox on my userpage -  seeing whether this would take me to the article on Martin Luther. It did. In all of the many years I have been using Wikipedia, I am sure I have seen piping getting people to specific sections of articles. How do I do this, please? Vorbee (talk) 18:14, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Do the same thing, but add a hashmark/pound sign and the title of the specific section, with spaces not underlines. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  18:26, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Underscores work, such as this link to the River Wye's navigation and sport section. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  18:32, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Minor infraction
WP:BLANKING says "A number of important matters may not be removed by the user—they are part of the wider community's processes: [including] The "Old Warnings" template." (Template:OW).

So what do you do if the users deletes the template? This really seems like it is too minor to take to ANI, but on the other hand if we have a "don't remove this" rule that isn't enforced, why bother having it? Is the answer proposing that we remove the rule? To go to ANI anyway and no doubt to get shot down for complaining about such a minor infraction? Perhaps we should write up a standard warning template for this. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:51, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm unfamiliar with that template, but after a quick read, my solution would be to restore it, warn the user and then go to ANI if it's removed again. Perhaps an admin with experience dealing with this situation can chime in. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  20:19, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It was added a month ago, I personally think it should be removed. This template is only really used for IP editors, and I don't see a reason why IP editors shouldn't be allowed to clear their talk page even if it once contained warnings. – Thjarkur (talk) 22:18, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I can see no discussion of adding old warnings template to the list of things that cannot be removed, so have reverted it. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:37, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Good call. --Guy Macon (talk)