Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 October 19

= October 19 =

Hello - could I ask for a little help with adding a copyright image to an article - fair/free use?
Hello I'm dropping you a message as despite my best attempts to get my head around the rules for free use of pictures I'm not clear what/how I proceed. User:Adam_Cuerden suggested (on my talk page that someone here might be able to help with Roy Francis (rugby) - there is (for example) a picture here that I think might be ok to use as 'fair use' as I can't find any images of him in spots that clearly say what their copyright status is. It's all a bit confusing to me - and even if I were to copy paste the image I see onto my machine- I don't understand the process of getting it into the article without uploading it to the commons (at which point I seem to be breaking the copyright?? - and I obviously want to avoid that). If you have time - and feel like explaining the process for fair use pictures (do I download an image and then upload to commons under some tag?) an explanation on how to go about that would be interesting, or if you are able to just give that article a suitable image that would also be grand. Sorry for the imposition. I'll watch this page for a while for replies - thanks in advance EdwardLane (talk) 14:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, . Somehow you have managed to insert this request not at the bottom of the page (its time is later than half a dozen posts below it): no harm done, except that it might not have got noticed here.
 * If you are satisfied that the image and the way you want to use it meet all of the non-free content criteria, then you can upload it to Wikipedia - not to Commons - using the upload wizard. When you've got it uploaded, then you can edit Roy Francis (rugby) to append the filename as uploaded onto the end of the line . This should be something like , depending on exactly what you called the file when you uploaded it. It needs to have the case, punctuation, and any spaces, exactly right. You might also want to specify the   paramter (but this is often not necessary in an infobox); add the   parameter if the picture comes out a silly size; and best practice now is always to give an   paramter, giving a verbal description of the picture, for the benefit of readers who use screen-readers. (Not all these parameters are currently present in the infobox in the article, but you can add them, with the vertical bar ("pipe") character '|' before each one. If you need more information on these parameters, see Template:Infobox rugby league biography). -ColinFine (talk) 15:26, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks - it was the existence of the upload wizard, and that it could upload to Wikipedia direct that I didn't know about (I might have used it once long time ago before I really knew what I was doing). I'm satisfied that finding any image that doesn't need to use those criteria would not be possible. So I'll give that a go when I get a bit of time, thank you again. EdwardLane (talk) 07:49, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Wrong information on General Henry "Hap" Arnold
Wrong information on General Henry "Hap" Arnold the wrong information is on his children he had five children instead of four the page left out Hap's daughter her name was Lois Elizabeth Arnold. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.170.118.154 (talk) 04:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. Wikipedia is the encyclopaedia anybody can edit - but we need reliable published sources. If you have such a source, you are welcome to edit the article and add it. If you are not sure how to cite a source, you could post at the article's talk page, asking for somebody to help. --ColinFine (talk) 14:05, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

how can i start using wikipedia. i want to post a resume of my boss
how can i start using wikipedia. i want to post a resume of my boss — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mynameisputeri (talk • contribs) 08:48, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a place to post resumes; that's what social media is for. This is an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not interested in what someone wants to say about themselves(like through a resume), Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person.  If you are here to edit about your boss, please review conflict of interest and paid editing for information on formal declarations you are required to make. 331dot (talk) 08:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

I can't locate a list of admin to stop a edit war/censorship
Ok, so I need a unbiased, non 'orange man bad" admin to stop the rampant vandalism, censorship and now attempt to delete the wiki page "86 (term) which is being edited by various individuals to remove any references or terms that can be used against Gretchen Whitmer apparently calling for a trump assassination and 8645 related things that have recently popped up in the news. The talk page alone should show these are not good faith edits and are meant to disrupt and censor the article for various political bias' and other actions that go against what Wikipedia is for.

I was made aware of the recent issues from a journalist's youtube video who even pointed out a user removed "killing someone" under the context they were fixing a typo. Other edits come from unsigned in users. Since the twitter post where Gretchen Whitmer is accused of calling for trump's assassination more and more edits have been made to make the page completely unrecognizable while still censoring the info those behind it all wanted to do.

While I have no strong opinion on 8645's inclusion on the article...removing terminology like "killing someone" and trying to redefine the term just for an agenda is not right and goes against Wikipedia's ideology on providing info unbiasedly and without ulterior motives. I believe the article should be reverted to its original state before October 18, 2020 and protected from future changes and NOT deleted because that would only go in favor of the bad actors behind these needled adolescent edit wars on the page.

If you need further proof there is bad faith editing, look at this copy paste from the article's talk page. I have bolded one of the more concerning posts.

8645 The current edit war about slogan "8645" which was asserted by the Trump campaign to mean "Kill Trump. "8645" was listed in the article recently, but was removed. I think it's notable. It wasn't just invented this week.

A USA Today story from Nov. 28, 2018: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/11/28/anti-trump-t-shirts/2136882002/ "T-shirts that it says advocated impeaching President Donald Trump. Wendy Carr, owner of Amigos in Westerly, says the business sold shirts with the logo, “86 45,” " You can find dozens of sites selling "8645" T-shirts, etc, described as "anti-Trump". I can't see any that say "murder Trump", though maybe the Trump War Room will create some to back up their claim. From https://www.distractify.com/p/what-does-864511320-mean (dated 2020-07-09) "Why Do People Keep Posting This 9-Digit "Secret Code" on Twitter?".... “86” means to cancel or nix something. In restaurants, it’s used to say they have run out of a certain item, but in general parlance, it basically means “get rid of.” “45” is used to refer to Donald Trump, the 45th president “11320” ... Election Day! -- also, excuse the OR, but the date makes the form of "86ing" obviously by voting out, rather than assassinating.

So, now that "Kill" has been put back in the article, without any explanation or context, why is "86 45" not listed in the "Popular Culture" section? 123.208.236.48 (talk) 01:55, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Actually, the addition was made by a user who is a supporter of Donald Trump - I know because I traced them. Of course, there are fellow DJT supporters on here that are going all out to both keep it and hide the truth of why it was added in the first place. 97.107.46.157 (talk) 02:10, 19 October 2020 (UTC) There are plenty of euphemisms for "kill", used either as a joke or to avoid liability. Can say that it's not what most people understand by "86", and that this "kill" meaning is not in any academic dictionary but not that no one ever used it like that. However, in the specific usage "86 45" there is plenty of documentation, as the USA Today story above, that it means "vote out", not "murder" and that should be added to the article. 123.208.236.48 (talk) 02:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:161E:9D6:95B8:F92D:BA8A:84B7 (talk)

Asking help to articles approval / publication
Hello,

I'm contacting you to ask for some help in order to modify and publish in the right way two pages. Of note, a few months ago, I've edited articles about an art gallery and a gallerist.(Piero Atchugarry Gallery - Piero Atchugarry).

I put my attention on the Wikipedia criteria, taking as examples other art galleries existed articles, but my pages were deleted a few days ago.

Could someone help me to understand what I can do/change/improve in order to get the pages accepted?

Thank you so much for any help you could provide. Donà Anna (talk) 11:22, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . The articles you mention seem to have been deleted as promotional. Perhaps the advice on User:Ian.thomson/Howto will help? --ColinFine (talk) 14:18, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, indeed I thought I had already followed User:Ian.thomson/Howto advices. I hope to review my pages in the better way for the future. If someone could help me with the review to delete the wrong parties pointing out the mistakes this would be more clear for me. Please let me know if this kind of help is possible or if I should ask to some specific Wikipedia service. Thank you again !Donà Anna (talk) 18:51, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , some links on your user talk page may be of interest to you: a discussion about the person and a link to the gallery article's deletion log with the admin who did so. You may try contacting the admin on their talk page for a WP:REFUND. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  20:51, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Indeed I'm talking with the delection admins looking for a solution. Donà Anna (talk) 21:37, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Is it possible to add an inputbox into a gallery?
Hi all, I have a question that I'm not sure if it should go here or in the Technical Village pump so I've posted it there and am requesting help here also, any help greatly appreciated.

Village_pump_(technical)

Thanks very much

John Cummings (talk) 13:58, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Want to edit Wikipedia page that has ill-defined issues.
I want to edit the Wikipedia page for Daniella Ohad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniella_Ohad).

Apparently, this page has multiple issues. To wit: This article needs additional citations for verification. (July 2012) A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. (August 2020) The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. (August 2020)

How do I identify the specific words or sections of the page that raised those issues?

Thanks much for your help. Be well, TMH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 0TMH0 (talk • contribs) 14:09, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * For these issues:
 * Additional citations: Some sentences need more citations at the end.
 * Major contributor: Figure out who the major contributor is and vet their contributions, as it is likely not neutral and may need to be removed.
 * Notability: Refer to WP:GNG to determine if this article should have been made in the first place. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:55, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * And additionally, look in the article history to see who added the tags, they may be able to give you some info about what was happening on the article before they added the tags. In this case you need to ping  - X201 (talk) 16:02, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi there, adding that it may be helpful if you look back at the edit summary left by the editor who added the "close connection" and "notability" tags. (On preview - crossing with above by X201, but left my comment in in case it is helpful.) Tacyarg (talk) 16:07, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Transmitter Frequency 1458 - Lyca Radio
The transmitter frequency for Lyca Radio is 1458 and not 1485. CAn you please correct it. Neither does the frequency 1458 belong to Sunrise Radio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.137.5.82 (talk) 14:22, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has no article on Lyca Radio, and the Lycamobile article does not mention transmission frequency. Where are you seeing the error? Maproom (talk) 16:10, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe the article is 1485 AM, and the primary sources confirm Lyca is on 1458. However, there is no 1458 AM article, and I don't know if (given the number of other redlinked lists like that) there should be or not. Best to discuss it at WT:RADIO, I think, to find the editors focused on this topic. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 20:54, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile, I've removed the Lyca entry from 1485 AM based on . —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 20:56, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Jane Weaver album ref
Can You Fix The reference error i made about the Jane Weaver Album Please. 68.102.42.216 (talk) 15:09, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. You had "Title=" instead of "title=". Maproom (talk) 16:07, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

NEVER Donating Again
I just learned that Wikipedia will ban any editors who support traditional marriage. I have been a donating supporter of Wikipedia for years. If this is true, you will never get another penny from me.

Wikipedia has always been an impartial source and as such, has no business censoring any content, particularly that which is an opinion held by more than half of the country.

https://disrn.com/news/wikipedia-bans-users-from-expressing-support-of-traditional-marriage?fbclid=IwAR0ZALiyPM4qlNyc5-_YVf0U5nkiTo20CyL-c2mqeQETbNxcmWx1wgmf7oI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.233.97.98 (talk) 17:39, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * This isn't really appropriate for the Help Desk, perhaps someplace like the Village Pump. There is no formal ban that I am aware of. 331dot (talk) 17:42, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sure we'll survive. Praxidicae (talk) 17:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It is completely up to you whether or not you want to donate to Wikipedia. Virtually all editors aren't affected by it. Was there a discussion on whether they were appropriate? Yes. Is Wikipedia truly impartial? No.
 * an opinion held by more than half of the country. Citation needed. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  17:48, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 331dot is correct that this isn't really the right location, but since I'm not sure whether the IP would know where to find a reply if posted elsewhere: it is not true that Wikipedia bans editors who hold any particular views about marriage - that has not happened, whoever told you that is wrong, editors can think what they like about marriage. There was a discussion which resulted in a few userboxes being deleted, and at least one editor chose to leave the project as a result of that; he was not banned, his account is not blocked, he can return at any time without asking anyone's permission (and I for one hope that he does). I hope that sets your mind at ease. Girth Summit  (blether)  18:31, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * IP editor: Please read the article you cited carefully if you wish to make decisions based on it. Do you see where even the title says something different that what you say it does? Part of it is obvious, while part is more subtle. You might also read the actual discussion, if you still want more detail, at Village pump (idea lab)/Archive 33. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 21:10, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * The top story at disrn.com right now is "free speech rally in San Francisco gets violently raided by antifa", the rest is in the same vein. I would suggest getting your news from reputable news organisations rather than from culture war propaganda channels (for a conservative-leaning example, the Wall Street Journal). Tigraan Click here to contact me 07:59, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

No one has ever opposed traditional marriage. Extending marriage to minorities will not affect traditional marriage in any way. Once again I note that it's always the right-wing conservatives who get their knickers in a twist over something Wikipedia has done. J I P &#124; Talk 08:44, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Template:Uir
Can someone move Template:Uir? The RM was successful, but I can't move the template because it's protected. Jerm (talk) 17:40, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I am sure an admin will see and move this shortly, but in the future such requests can be made at Requested moves/Technical requests. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia  talk  17:51, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I completely forgot about that. Jerm (talk) 18:01, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Lola Flanery
I want someone to create a page for me that includes the actress Lola Flanery that was in the tv show the 100 as Madi Griffin? Can some plz help me make this happen cuz I'm not the coding type?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pfiesterj (talk • contribs) 19:10, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I guess that you are asking somebody to create an encyclopaedia article about Lola Flanery, who is mentioned in the existing article List of The 100 characters? The most important part of creating an article is to establish that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability: if she does not, then all time that you or anybody spends trying to create an article about her will be time wasted. So, if you want to see an article about her, it is worth you first of all spending some time looking for suitable sources. Remember, that Wikipedia isn't interested in any user-generated sources (such as Facebook or iMDB), or - for this purpose - anything that comes from Flanery or her associates or employers. You will need to find places where people who have no connection with her have chosen to publish significant coverage of her in reliable sources. If you can find these, then you stand a chance of enrolling an editor to work with you on an article. --ColinFine (talk) 20:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Willairwin question
I recently (Oct. 15) received a message from "theroadislong" in response to my question what specifically was wrong with the formatting of either my in-line footnotes or my references for my article, Walter Paul Blass.

His/her answer was that I had clearly not read the guidance to which I was previously referred.

That is not true. I had read it, and I had tried to comply, e.g. by putting <1> ...  around each in-line footnote.

What is apparently true is either A) I did not understand the guidance or B) I did not correctly key in my efforts to comply with it.

So I am asking again, please, for help. What must I do to comply with either the in-line citations or the references or both? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willairwin (talk • contribs) 21:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Please see my message just sent about my article, Walter Paul Blass. I forgot to sign.

Willairwin (talk) 21:07, 19 October 2020 (UTC) Will Irwin
 * strongly recommends you read WP:REFB. At a glance, currently half of the references in the references list are unused and are generating errors as named references. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  21:19, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I think I see what you're trying to do, but it's not working. If you're using the visual editor I'm not sure if I'll be able to help you, I only know how to create inline references using our cite templates in source editor mode. I see in your sandbox you're typing <1> and such to refer to a numbered list in a bibliography that you created - that's the long way and while it should be fine to do it that way, some editors object. The "right" way is to use an appropriate citation template and a reference list, which will create a linked inline footnote and a list of references automatically. For example, the first reference in your sandbox is "How Small Business can succeed Abroad," Business Horizons, pp. 103-110, Winter 1961. Formatted as a citation template, it looks like this: . That code will produce: "Richard obtained American visas with the help of the Quakers in Marseille, ...". The ref code goes exactly where you want the inline citation to appear in your text. Then, in a separate section (usually titled "References") you will add  , which will produce something like this:


 * But not that exactly, the template for talk and non-article pages is slightly different. There are different "cite xxx" templates for different types of works, including cite journal for periodicals, cite book, cite web, cite news, cite report, even very specialized ones like cite twitter. Any of those links will give you some instructions on the specific template, and links to others that you can use.
 * But going back even further, your draft needs to be "wikified", which means adding markup code that will tell the Wikimedia software how to format your article. You might want to try out the Wikipedia Adventure, which is an introduction to editing Wikipedia and all of our markup language, which is really very simple but probably not something you're very familiar with. Happy editing! Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:25, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Basically, what Ivanvector said at the same time as I was writing the following: At Draft:Walter Paul Blass, only some of the cites are to actual sources. The others that are used all seem to be primary sources (diplomas or other unpublished statements). The cites you named ":11", ":12", ..., ":19" are not referred to at all in the text (as indicated by the error messages in the reference section). They should either be removed or associated with the statements that they are used to support. Also, I'm not clear on what citation format is being used consistently (if there is one); use of the  templates is highly recommended to ensure that a consistent format is maintained. WP:ERB is a good primer. —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 21:33, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * For future reference, please also take note of MOS:CURLY, MOS:DASH, and other parts of that page. I corrected a number of related issues in the draft. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 21:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Mill
All of the links in the "Notes" section of this page go to a car dealership. I don't think I can fix it, but I thought someone should flag it for editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhellman75 (talk • contribs) 21:58, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * FWIW It seems that the spam links were added with this edit and a couple of subsequent ones, in April 2011 and have gone undetected since. Have not yet found anything via search that could replace them. Thank you for pointing this out. Eagleash (talk) 22:34, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I've removed them; and tagged for citation. Another editor might be more successful in adding live ref! Eagleash (talk) 22:42, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Misinformation spreading fast on Wikipedia
Hi,

Few days ago I came across to a live story video by Arzu Mammadova who was encouraging Azeris to take over Wikipedia and edit pages.

I really thought there is control of wikipedia information and at the time didn't think it was possible to spread misinformation on Wikipedia. Fast forward, they already started the campaign. Here is one example in regards to Hadrut, unverified information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadrut

The same Arzu Mammadova is using fake picture on her profile. The child in her profile picture is NOT a victim but an Azeri child model staging for the picture. Here is the evidence: https://www.instagram.com/p/CGYbf8iBV6X/?fbclid=IwAR26c9QX2eT3UK3xZHPjb3kFVFmdEyWYJSuPk6m4Z6A_b5wAPdzJX3-y_es

PLEASE KINDLY monitor the new pages and heavily edited pages in regards to Nagorno-Karabakh. That's for the sake of credibility of Wikipedia.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:87A0:A1E0:2C:9E48:DB28:191F (talk) 23:33, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * We are a fully volunteer crowdsourced encyclopedia. There is nobody here to organize such a monitoring operation, although some editors choose to monitor new inputs. If you feel that these articles need to be monitored, then please feel free to do so. You may revert unsourced modifications and you may raise issues on the talk pages of any affected articles. If a reversion (or any other edit you make) is contested, then discuss on the talk page and if you cannot reach a consensus, proceed as described in WP:DISPUTE. -Arch dude (talk) 03:55, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Emergency Request to Have My Bio Page (Krissy Marlene Ramsey) Immediately Deleted
My name is Krissy Marlene Ramsey (formerly Krissy Marlene Boyer, formerly James McNair Ramsey). I am the subject of the Wikipedia bio article of the same name, as follows:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krissy_Ramsey

This article was originally created at my request in 2016/2017, by a third-party contractor at my request, when we were in significantly less dangerous times, politically. At that time, America looked like it had generally accepted transgender people. I had just completed my male-to-female gender transition, and had no problem disclosing that fact, as I thought it would be an interesting personal aside to my old fans and new fans discovering my music. Of course, that has all changed with the highly charged divisiveness we have seen in the country this past year (with a significant part of the fighting surrounding the legitimacy of transgenderism), with hate speech and threats of violence on the rise during this time.

I had all but forgotten about the article, when it came to my attention again today, when a homophobic person on Facebook started posting it in my groups and "outing" me as transgender in a situation designed to ridicule me and put me in danger. Accordingly, no longer wanting any public disclosure of my transgender status, as a Wikipedia editor in good standing, attempted to delete this article for my safety, but not aware of the official process, ended up getting my editorial privileges revoked by your team (even though I had given this reason for the deletion of the information, with my offer to speak with them directly by phone, if needed to process my request). The article was then re-posted by them, placing me once more in danger of harm and public "outing" by transphobic hate groups.

I once again make an emergency plea to you to have this page deleted immediately, for my safety. And once again, I will provide any supporting information you need to honor my request, including a direct phone or Skype call to discuss the matter directly with you. I would just ask if you need such further support, that you would temporarily disable/hide the page from view pending getting what you need from me.

Thank you for reviewing my request,

Krissy Ramsey (Boyer) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonicbard (talk • contribs) 23:40, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * If there is an immediate threat to your personal safety, you should contact your local authorities. In terms of the Wikipedia article about you, we cannot stop others from using it as they wish- be it for good or for bad- as it should only summarize publicly available information.  If there is nonpublic information in the article, we can address that.  This is one of the extremely unfortunate downsides of seeking out a Wikipedia article; it isn't necessarily a good thing.
 * Even if you succeeded in getting it deleted from Wikipedia, there are sites that archive deleted Wikipedia articles. You probably won't be able to put the genie back in the bottle. 331dot (talk) 23:49, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Not in immediate, but I am just wanting the post deleted immediately, to eliminate such potential threats. Contact me at the number given, if you need further support on my request — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonicbard (talk • contribs) 23:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Please stop posting your personal contact information; doing so will likely only exacerbate your terrible situation. 331dot (talk) 23:54, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * And this is why we do not encourage hiring mercenary editors just because we feel we deserve an article. It always comes back to haunt you. Also, nobody is going to contact you by phone; cold-calling subjects is generally considered off-wiki harassment and is grounds for a block. OTRS is the better option here. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 00:36, 20 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Note: Conv. link to AfD nomination. Eagleash (talk) 01:19, 20 October 2020 (UTC)