Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 October 21

= October 21 =

Bias at Wikipedia
It has come to my attention that Wikipedia has a policy of censoring contributors who support traditional marriage and who believe in the sanctity of human life. It appears that such views are unacceptable to Wikipedia editors, who have decided to deny free speech to those who hold a different opinion to theirs. Your thoughts? From a Wikipedia supporter in New Zealand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.189.130.153 (talk) 04:27, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Please review the discussion at Village pump (idea lab)/Archive 33. There is no such censorship, but some "userboxes" have been removed. -Arch dude (talk) 04:36, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Also note that Wikipedia is not a free speech forum, see WP:FREESPEECH. Just as you can dictate what is said and done in your residence, Wikipedia can dictate what appears on its computers.  As noted, however, Wikipedia has no policy to censor the social views of its contributors. 331dot (talk) 09:37, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No one has ever opposed traditional marriage or prevented anyone from getting a traditional marriage. It's just those gun-toting far-right conservatives who wish to demonise equal rights for everyone. J I P  &#124; Talk 09:48, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Also discussed at #NEVER Donating Again. Eagleash (talk) 10:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Searching by tags?
— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  23:06, 12 January 2021 (UTC) I have a possible proposal for WP:VPP, but it depends on being able to search revisions by tags on a page. I've combed through H:SEARCH and WP:AFTAGS but there doesn't seem to be any overlap. Does anyone know if this is possible aside from using something like Ctrl? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:24, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Edit by mistake
Dear wiki ,

I edited by mistake and press backspace ( to go back and undo changes ), so i erased some lines in one of the topic below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_display_resolution

The problem is that i dont remember the exact actions i erased

Sincerely sorry for my mistake :(

Βασίλης — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:3F3E:8900:2886:6984:78F1:DE75 (talk) 09:27, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Καλημέρα, Βασίλης, and welcome to the Teahouse. Don't worry: all the former versions are there in the page history. You could have reverted your mistake yourself, but has done it for you. --ColinFine (talk) 10:25, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The Teahouse is spreading... — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  14:48, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Worse things could happen. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:24, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

photo question
There is a photo on the Helen Holmes entry. It's the photo that shows above Ms. Holmes' info on the right. The picture is of Helen Gibson, who took over the lead role in Hazards of Helen. An image search on Google can prove this. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.78.9.174 (talk) 09:36, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. The image description for File:Helen Holmes by Witzel.jpg says that it is a photo of Holmes by a named photographer, so I'm a little inclined to doubt what you say (and Google is notorious for providing wrong as well as right answers to questions). Do you think that is the same person as File:Helengibson1920.jpg? (I've never heard of these people, and I generally find it difficult to compare pictures and say whether they're the same person.) In any case, the place to discuss this is at the talk page Talk:Helen Holmes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ColinFine (talk • contribs) 10:32, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Query posted at Talk:Helen Holmes. TSventon (talk) 13:41, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, thanks for the ping. It appears that I uploaded the image in question on 5 December 2019 from Listal. The headline above the picture reads "Picture of Helen Holmes." The image was taken by Albert Walter Witzel (1879–1929), as can be seen on the image itself. After doing a bit more searching, I think initial commenter above may be correct: I think the image is indeed of Helen Gibson and not Helen Holmes. I am basing this on several other images found at Women in Stunts and Silent Hollywood. These are all obviously the same woman. Images of Helen Holmes can bee seen here, here and here. I do apologize profusely, and should have been more diligent when uploading. The file in question should be renamed as possibly "Helen Gibson by Witzel" and kept (Witzel images are within the public domain). It's a good picture, so it could possibly be used for the Gibson article. As of now, I will change the picture on the Helen Holmes article until this is sorted. Thanks to those who brought this to my attention. Apologies again. ExRat (talk) 14:46, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * @ExRat, thank you for sorting this. TSventon (talk) 13:35, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Help fix a table heading
The heading of the table in Olesya Nurgalieva is malformed. It should be in bold and centred across all the columns. I've tried but my table-fu is weak. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:39, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * with this edit by Trappist. Eagleash (talk) 10:48, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

someone else's photo now appears in the Wikpedia window
When I Google my name - Robert Royal (author) - the proper info comes up but someone else's photo now appears in the Wikpedia window. The right one used to come up there. Please either remove or replace that photo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.66.156.134 (talk) 13:17, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that's not a "Wikipedia window", that's Google algorithms in action. You'll have to take it up with them. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  13:37, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Our article about you doesn't have a photograph, so it's definitely not coming from here - they're probably just taking our text and grabbing a photo from somewhere else. As an aside, I see you've edited the article since posting here - please take a moment to review WP:COI. Cheers Girth Summit  (blether)  13:40, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * We have no control over Google, but Google apparently prefers to use our picture if we have one. You can therefore get around Google's problem by taking a picture of yourself (so you own and can license the copyright) and uploading it to Commons and adding it to our article about you. Come back here if you need help with this. -Arch dude (talk) 15:32, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Sarah, Geoff & Hilda Lancashire (MacCormack)
I worked with Geoff Lancashire in the Promotion Dept at Granada from January 1960. At no time at Granada was Hilda his personal assistant (as stated)..She worked in the library with Gerry Hagan (later, I believe, curator of Sir Sidney Bernstein's great art collection). I was at their wedding at St Bride's Church in London and they at mine in Manchester. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:888B:7F00:FC7A:9139:2A47:F8D1 (talk) 15:36, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Because we are crowdsourced by anonymous editors, all assertions in all our articles must be referenced to reliable published sources (see WP:RS). If you have a source, you can change the article. If the existing statement has no source, you may remove it. If the exiting statement is referenced to a reliable source, you cannot remove it even though you personally know it to be wrong. -Arch dude (talk) 16:33, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Which of our 6 million articles are you referring to here? -Arch dude (talk) 16:40, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The words "personal assistant" may be a misinterpretation of the Radio Times reference, which states "Geoffrey ... was a scriptwriter" and "Hilda was his assistant until they divorced". TSventon (talk) 20:36, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The info that says she was his assistant when they were married was unsourced, so there's no issue in removing it if its accuracy is called into question. I found an obituary that said she was a secretary, so I changed the info to be more general.  If a better source appears, the info can be added back. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  21:07, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

NFCC: How to reduce image size
I am far from an image expert, and was wondering if somebody could point out how to easily reduce the size of a file. My case: File:Thomas R Howell.gif. Its NFCC#4, but I think the current resolution is too high...but not sure how to fix that. Help appreciated :) CaptainEek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 17:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I can easily resize it for you, if you state here what size you'd like it reduced to. Maproom (talk) 18:51, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , Gosh....I have no idea what that size should be....I'm not sure what the appropriate size for NFCC images is... CaptainEek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 19:05, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Malicious Edits to Page - Association for Behavior Analysis International
I'm going to need some intervention on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_for_Behavior_Analysis_International Can I get someone to compare the current version of article to the updates made here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Association_for_Behavior_Analysis_International&oldid=984680965

Current version contains inaccurate and outdated info, plus a very skewed and bias view. I have tried to incorporate accurate changes and capture the concerns expressed by critics in a neutral tone, but edits keep getting undone. Asked for full protection for the page, but only received semi-protection and now the inaccurate edits are up and I am unable to correct them. Myself and others have tried to find a middle point in the talk, but there seems to be a group of editors who are only willing to accept their version of the article.

I'm trying to get an accurate, neutral POV on this article and these editors are making it impossible. Need some intervention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scandevi (talk • contribs) 18:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . What you have is a content dispute. You do not appear to have edited the talk page, except to say you are requesting page protection: opening a discussion on the talk page is the first step to resolving a dispute. If you cannot reach consensus with the other editors, dispute resolution tells you how to proceed. (I have not looked at the article or the material in dispute, I am giving you a general answer). --ColinFine (talk) 22:08, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Page Creation
I would like to create a page for Pumpkin Spice Latte the programming language.

Here is the home page: https://pumpkinspicelatte.org I have not been able to figure out how to do it through the portal, so I would like to learn how to do this. I really appreciate your time and assistance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheFinerThingsLLC (talk • contribs) 18:58, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello ! Start with WP:GNG. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem", move on to Help:Your first article. If you don't have those sources, it's a waste of your and other peoples time. And if WP:Conflict of interest applies to you, follow the guidance there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:22, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Article creation
How do I create an article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.203.185 (talk) 19:20, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * See Help:Your first article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:23, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Congestive heart failure
congestive heart failure  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.6.46.2 (talk) 21:19, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you have a question about how to use or edit Wikipedia? Meters (talk) 21:23, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Adding an extra couple of boxes to a family tree on Wikipedia
Does anyone here know how I can add an extra couple of boxes to a family tree on Wikipedia? Specifically, I want to create a separate box for John, Lord of Carency in the House of Bourbon family tree right here right next to his two brothers--James II, Count of La Marche and Louis, Count of Vendome. I also want to create a separate box right below the hypothetical box for John, Lord of Carency for the Lords and princes of Carency.

Does anyone here know how to do all of this?

Thank you.

Futurist110 (talk) 23:36, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I hope someone does. As you'll know if you've looked at the wikicode, stuff like "|!| | | | | |,|-|^|-|.| | |" is hard to decipher, let alone edit. Maproom (talk) 06:24, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's precisely what makes it such a pain-in-the-ass! :( Futurist110 (talk) 20:23, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Edit request on the Talk:VERITAS_(spacecraft) page
Hello Wikipedia help desk! According to the Wikipedia COI steps for engagement (Plain_and_simple_conflict_of_interest_guide), this should be the right place for me to post this. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

I’m reaching out to see if I could get more eyes on the edit request I posted on the Talk:VERITAS_(spacecraft) page a few months ago. I’ve previously posted to Wikipedia talk: WikiProject_Spaceflight and Wikipedia talk: WikiProject_Cooperation/Paid_editor_help. I’ve also reached out to editors who have edited the page before. A few editors have jumped in to help out and implement some of the request, but the majority of the request still has not been cleared. Would love more editors to come by. Thanks! - Morgensteorra (talk) 23:37, 21 October 2020 (UTC)