Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 October 5

= October 5 =

weather bug
weather bug radar has not been working for at least 3 days. with bad weather coming we need it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.197.208.70 (talk) 00:27, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * This is not a general help desk, sorry. 331dot (talk) 00:29, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Can't reset password
So i have had my account for like 10 years and donated previously but cannot get my password reset. WTF fix your shit. Definately wont get a penny out of me ever again with this stupid bullshit going on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:56A:7641:8F00:4017:238F:D77D:5593 (talk • contribs)
 * What was the name of the account you tried to reset the password for? Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:59, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello IP, I would not recommend telling us that since you'd be exposing the IP of your account. If you don't receive a password reset email and it's not in your spam folder, there's nothing we can do, you'll just have to create a new account. – Thjarkur (talk) 11:46, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I recently had an issue with not receiving the password reset email also, I tried it on another laptop and it sent, I think it was some issue to do with my work laptop blocking ports or using a VPN or something. So please try using another device. John Cummings (talk) 12:17, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You're talking (rudely) to volunteers who don't get a penny of your donations. That's not how you get people to help you. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 04:01, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Password compromised
Hi! I got notice from Google that my password had been compromised, but I don't see any link or place where I can change my password. Can you help me? Thank you so much for all that you do! Nilochlainn 05:17, 6 October 2020 (ET)
 * Special:ChangePassword * Pppery * it has begun... 21:43, 6 October 2020 (UTC)`
 * Ummm, the link from Pppery is to change your password for Wikipedia. The way I read the question, Google was purportedly telling you that your had been compromised. If so, we cannot help you here at the English Wikipedia help desk. You need to contact Google. Be aware that there are scams that send emails like that, so make sure you are going to your Google account via however you normally get there (or just go to support.google.com for help), and not via a link in the email (which could be malicious). —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 23:57, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Captain General Royal Marines
Lord Louis Mountbatten was Captain General of the Royal Marines 1965 - 1979 Please check your page "Captain Generals of the Royal Marines" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.172.6.169 (talk) 06:05, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Please discuss this on the article's talk page with a reliable source to support your claim. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:29, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * According to Louis Mountbatten he was appointed Life Colonel Commandant of the Royal Marines, which sounds like a different title. —teb728 t c 06:43, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Translation of Official EU (DG EMPL) Created Page
Hi there,

We've been tasked with the translation of the following page from Swedish into German/English/Portuguese and French (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europ%C3%A4ische_S%C3%A4ule_sozialer_Rechte)

This task comes as an official (contracted) element as part of DG EMPL's push to ensure that the Social Rights page is accessible to as many people as possible.

DG EMPL themselves have created this page (currently in Swedish) themselves. Usually we go through a subcontractor who does not use machine translations to do this. Is this how would be done?

Many Thanks, Sam Reindorp Ecorys — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.42.16 (talk) 08:59, 5 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, Sam. I'm afraid that the people who tasked you have a misunderstanding of Wikipedia. There is no such thing as an "official" Wikipedia page. Wikipedia's article about your organisation does not belong to your organisation, you do not control its contents, and you are not responsible for creating or maintaining it.
 * Each language edition of Wikipedia is a separate project, with its own rules, which sometimes vary: I can only tell you about English Wikipedia; but I suspect that the others have similar rules and policies in this area. In English Wikipedia, if you intend to work on an article about an organisation which employs you, you must make a formal declaration of your status as a paid editor, and you should not edit the article directly, but should make edit request on the article's Talk page, so that an uninvolved editor may decide what action is appropriate. To create an article where you have a conflict of interest, even a translation, you should use the articles for creation process, and get it reviewed before it is released into the main encyclopaedia.
 * For translation in general, see Translation: Machine translation is strongly deprecated, though it is possible to use a machine translation as a basis to write text. --ColinFine (talk) 10:33, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Colin. Those were my understandings as well - I am well aware that Wikipedia does not belong to any organisation. I only intent to try and follow the rules that Wikipedia has (as you've outlined) to fulfil a request by DG EMPL (and thereby the European Commission in general, who I believe must have had some involvement in the creation of the original German page). I do not think machine translations are adequate for this, and therefore I we will always translate 'official' EU material professionally - even if this thereby creates a conflict of interest within the policy of Wikipedia - which I will state when submitting the new pages. Thank you for outlining the process and the ways of doing things, which I must admit is very different to what we usually work with! I'll get the pages translated and then submit it for review (along with all of the conflict of interest policies, such as the formal declaration as a paid editor). Does this seem like the logical course of action? Again the page in German already exists, and this is the basis for the translated material.

As these will be new pages, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.42.16 (talk) 10:46, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Since you are editing as part of your job, your first step should be to register an account (one for each person who works on this - you may not share a single account between multiple people), and make the disclosures outlined at WP:PAID. You can then work on something in draft space and submit it for review. If you are translating content published elsewhere (even a foreign language Wikipedia page), it must be attributed properly, and it must have been released under an appropriate licence - see WP:COPYVIO for more on that. Girth Summit  (blether)  12:23, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you all for your help with this - I think we have a way forward with the European Commission, and I will ensure we use this information here as a guide when submitting the translated material on the different language wikis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.42.16 (talk) 12:50, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * One more thing you should note, Sam. Because different Wikipedias have different policies, the translation of an article from one edition won't necessarily be acceptable to another. In particular, I am not sure that enough of the references in de:Europäische Säule sozialer Rechte are independent of the society and give it significant coverage to establish that it meets en-wiki's criteria for notability. Please see WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 20:51, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Which characters are not allowed in Wikipedia article names?
Hi all

I'm working on a tool and want to use a symbol to separate names of Wikipedia articles. Is there a list somewhere of special characters which aren't allowed in article names?

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 12:10, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , see WP:TSC Girth Summit  (blether)  12:13, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi that's really helpful, thanks very much indeed. John Cummings (talk) 12:20, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Twinkle
Hello all. I need to implement "Twinkle" for the first time ever; and I know that I am unsure how to do it correctly. An IP editor has made unsourced, unnecessary and incorrect edits here: Tremmonisha History; and I would like to revert them back to the last edit: 20 August 2020‎ Jonathanjfriend. Thank you. Maineartists (talk) 12:43, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * @Maineartists you don't need twinkle to revert the last few changes. You can select your preferred version, select edit source, get the warning "You are editing an old revision of this page. If you publish it, any changes made since then will be removed. You may wish to edit the current revision instead" add a suitable edit summary and select publish changes to restore the old version. However I have reviewed the IP editor's changes and they are mostly moving existing content around and quoting a review from the New York Times with a reference. It is a matter of opinion whether the changes improve the article or not. TSventon (talk) 13:32, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * u|TSventon Thanks! I'll keep this in mind for future reference. In regards to "mostly moving existing content around" and "It is a matter of opinion whether the changes improve the article or not" is really not quite the case. There are far more instances in these edits that are simply not true and not sourced. I guess I will handle each edit as they appear. Thank you. Maineartists (talk) 13:48, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , since you are an extended confirmed user, you may be interested in WP:REDWARN, which is similar to Twinkle but has a more user-friendly interface if you see yourself making lots of reversions or leaving notices on other users' pages. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  18:34, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Louise Goodman
In reading this biography, her death date is missing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.7.125.35 (talk) 15:42, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no infobox regarding the person. You can add one yourself! However, are there any questions on how to edit Wikipedia itself?  Heart  (talk) 15:45, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * If you mean Louise Goodman the motorsport commentator, I have just done a quick search and did not return any hits to say that she had died. Her birth date is also missing(?) That may be because as a living person (seeWP:BLP) no source has been provided which would allow it to be added. Eagleash (talk) 16:16, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * BTW, the infobox is just supposed to summarize facts that are present in the rest of the article. I.e, the dates and places of birth and death, if present, should first be in the prose of the article. They should then be in the lead sentence in parentheses after the subject's name. If there is an infobox, they can also be added there. Eddie Van Halen is a decent example.
 * IP editor: The best place to discuss issues about an article is on its talk page, where you will find editors interested in and knowledgeable about the subject. Just go the article and click on the Talk tab at the top. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 00:45, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Want to post a Profile
Wikipedia

UMESH KUMAR MANHAS

Early life & Education:

Umesh Kumar Manhas (Born on 27th of April, 1967, at Chhani, Chinta, Tehsil Bhadarwah, District Doda of J&K state), is an Indian Politician, Founder member and current National Joint Secretary of "National Democratic Party (Indian)" - NDPI. He is Science Graduate & an by Profession who being self employed works independently for some local Business houses of Jammu city & individuals. His Father “Late Ram Rattan Manhas” was also a Professional Accountant at Surat, Gujarat, where he served private business groups for more than 40 years and was a farmer in his early age before leaving for Surat.

Umesh Kumar Manhas completed his initial studies at Government High School Chinta (Bagvan), a beautiful cup shaped valley in Tehsil Bhadarwah. After completing his matriculation during 1980 he started

10+2 at Government boys Higher Secondary School, Bhadarwah city. He walked around 8 to 9 Kilometers daily to complete his 10+2 being a resident of remote village. After 10+2 he left for Surat, Gujarat to complete his graduation, as his father was settled there. After completing his Graduation in 1989 he left Surat & entered in the city of temples, Jammu of J&K state and started searching for a job. Struggled as a computer operator for a long time on very low salary of 750/- to 2000/- leaving jobs one after the other, for better income, during which applied for Government jobs so many times but couldn't succeed in attaining and later became professional accountant.

Manhas had an inner fire & zeal to serve the people selflessly hence Joined an NGO "Indira Yuva Kendra" to serve as a social worker where he met three more like minded friends namely Sandeep Turki, Rajan Kumar & Sdr. Kuljit Singh. All the three friends are self employed & businessmen but being great human beings, always longed to serve downtrodden poor people and helped many students providing them free education & making affordable arrangements for the marriage of some poor girls to help their parents lessen their economic burden.

Pre-Political career:

Umesh Kumar Manhas started his career in an NGO as a social worker where he met like-minded fellow social workers namely Sandeep Turki, Rajan Kumar & Sdr. Kuljit Singh with whom he discussed about his zeal to serve the nation on a wider platform and hence decided to form a political party with them.

Kuljit Singh is a selfless self employed businessman who runs his snacks manufacturing business where he provided jobs to many educated/uneducated and poor aspirants as a social activist.

Rajan Kumar who is also a Science graduate and a self employed businessman doing business in the field of Information Technology and a social activist.

Sandeep Turki is also a Science Graduate, a Self employed businessman who runs business of Purchase, Sale and repair of Computers, printers & is a Selfless social worker.

All the friends helped many downtrodden, poor students & families by providing them free academic as well as technical education and later also got some poor girls married, helping their families arranging food & related things and so on, according to their worth and the donations received.

Political Career:

During 2015 all the friends thought of expansion to widen the range of their helping hand and decided to launch a political party. Being new in the field it took two years to get the things arranged and applied for the party registration u/s 29A of the Peoples’ Representation Act with Election commission of India in the year 2016 with the help of other social workers joining in and it again took two long years to get the party registered finally on 10th of January’2019.

All the four friends became core committee members of the party and decided to take part in Jammu Muncipal Corporation Election in October 2018. They took part in various political activities during this period in J&K State like Curbing corruption, Agitation on brutal attack on army convoy during Amarnath Yatra by militants and initiated the agitation on widely discussed minor rape & murder case at Rasana, Kathua through J&K State President Rajesh Gupta.

Party formed State wings in the state of J&K, Delhi Punjab, Himachal Pradesh and Maharashtra. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Umeshmanhas1967 (talk • contribs) 16:07, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , hello, welcome to Wikipedia! Please read what Wikipedia is not. Also, do you have a question on how to edit Wikipedia? Happy editing!  Heart  (talk) 16:09, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia 

SANDEEP TURKI

Sandeep Turki  (born on 8th of January, 1975, at Jammu-J&K) is an Indian Politician and Founder member and current National President of National Democratic Party (Indian) - NDPI. He is Science Graduate, who being self employed runs independent business in the field of Information Technology  and is an educationist too, running an education hub. His Father “Chand Krishan Turki” is a social activist and educationist and was also an educationist who started education school in Srinagar and later on displacement started the same business in Jammu too. Both father & son provided free education to many under privileged students to help their poor families.

Turki had an inner fire & zeal to serve the nation selflessly hence Joined NSUI, a student Political wing of “Indian National Congress” in the year 1993 as “Urban President” and started his political career serving the fellow students as a guiding force. In 1995 he was appointed “Secretary General” by the party high command being dynamic leader and a commendable worker who worked tirelessly for the betterment of the students and the party thereof. Being a hardworking, purely secular and a sincere human being he could not continue with the party due its biased & communal decisions and quitted the party and started working with the NGO “Indira Yuva Kendra” where he met the other like-minded Social workers  Kuljit Singh, Rajan Kumar, Umesh Kumar Manhas.

Early Life & Education:

Turki was born in a middle-class educated family in Jammu, Jammu district, Jammu & Kashmir on 8 January 1975, the first of the two children of Chand Krishan and Asha Turki. His father was an Educationist. He was educated at SRML School in Jammu and at a Jagriti Niketan School at Jammu.

He graduated from Gandhi Memorial Science College, Jammu. He started his own business in 2000 and later on also joined Indira Yuva Kendra as a Social Worker.

Pre-Political career: Wikipedia 

Sandeep Turki started his pre political career in an NGO as a social worker where he met like-minded fellow social workers namely Kuljit Singh, Rajan Kumar and Umesh Kumar Manhas, with whom he discussed about his zeal to serve the nation on a wider platform and hence decided to form a political party with them.

Kuljit Singh a selfless self employed businessman who runs his snacks manufacturing business where he provided jobs to many educated/uneducated and poor aspirants as a social activist.

Rajan Kumar who is also a Science graduate and a self employed businessman doing business in the field of Information Technology and a social activist.

Umesh Kumar Manhas  a Science Graduate, a Professional Accountant & a Selfless social worker.

All the friends helped many downtrodden, poor students & families by providing them free academic as well as technical education and later also got some poor girls married, helping their families arranging food & related things and so on, according to their worth and the donations received.

Political Career:

During 2015 all the friends thought of expansion to widen the range of their helping hand and decided to launch a political party. Being new in the field it took two years to get the things arranged and applied for the party registration u/s 29A of the Peoples’ Representation Act with Election commission of India in the year 2016 with the help of other social workers joining in and it again took two long years to get the party registered finally on 10th of January’2019.

All the four friends became core committee members of the party and decided to take part in Jammu Muncipal Corporation Election in October 2018. They took part in various political activities during this period in J&K State like Curbing corruption, Agitation on brutal attack on army convoy during Amarnath Yatra by militants and initiated the agitation on widely discussed minor rape & murder case at Rasana, Kathua through J&K State President Rajesh Gupta.

Party formed State wings in the state of J&K, Delhi Punjab, Himachal Pradesh and Maharashtra.

To — Preceding unsigned comment added by Umeshmanhas1967 (talk • contribs) 16:10, 5 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does not accept "profiles". It hosts well-referenced articles about notable subjects, as attested by in-depth discussion of those subjected in reliable independent published sources which are cited in the articles. Maproom (talk) 16:17, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Foreign language template
I seem to recall that there was a template I've seen around WP that says (ru) or (de) or (fr) to denote that a particular document/reference is in Russian, German, French, etc? Anybody know what I'm talking about? Otherwise I'm just left manually typing (fr) after each of my resources which seems amateurish. HaltlosePersonalityDisorder (talk) 16:26, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Is Template:ILL what you're after? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:45, 5 October 2020 (UTC)


 * No it isn't, you said reference. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:46, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I think I recall that template having been deleted this summer but I'm not quite sure. If you're writing references in plaintext you can use in lang which gives the longer and clearer "(in Russian)". If you're using citation templates you can use the parameter  which also gives "(in Russian)". – Thjarkur (talk) 18:29, 5 October 2020 (UTC)


 * testing... HaltlosePersonalityDisorder (talk) 19:11, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, it'll do for now since you think the older ones might've been deleted. It's a shame, I liked just the small sub/superscript "ru", "de", etc - it was less intrusive than flat out writing "In Russian" which is what I've had to do myself lol. HaltlosePersonalityDisorder (talk) 19:12, 5 October 2020 (UTC)