Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 September 25

= September 25 =

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mothers_of_Invention
Something weird here. Timeline generator screw up. I don't know how to fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dgmccarthy (talk • contribs) 07:35, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yesterday's edit tried to use the "gray" colour keyword but got the syntax wrong - see Help:EasyTimeline syntax. I've restored the previous version. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:51, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yesterday's edit tried to use the "gray" colour keyword but got the syntax wrong - see Help:EasyTimeline syntax. I've restored the previous version. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:51, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Import of article
Hi Folks!! Would I be able to import this article into Wikipedia. It is covered by this licence:]. The article is fairly written and referenced, but it would be need to be updated. Certainly other references would be going in and other stuff would pulled, which in the interim 2-3 years, have found to be scrap. All-in-All, vis-a-vis its pretty decent and wouldn't take a lot of work to get it up to speed. It links to this: Sonderkommando Rote Kapelle and this Red Orchestra. Thanks.  scope_creep Talk  11:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You can, just add an attribution notice with CCBYSASource to the bottom of the article. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Coolio. Thanks.   scope_creep Talk  14:22, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Copy-and-paste problems in wikitable non-English page
I failed to copy-and-paste wikitable content of Slovak edition language because my Google Translation unable to translate source content. I wanna to copy as English edition of "Parts section"  in [https://sk.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoznam_%C4%8Dast%C3%AD_seri%C3%A1lu_Oteckovia. Oteckovia in Slovak language]. Please if it possible, can you drag all wiktable content to English edition by yourself? The Supermind (talk) 15:51, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for wanting to expand it. Please read the guidance at WP:TRANSLATE and observe that machine translations are not acceptable for articles.  RudolfRed (talk) 17:23, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

I mean all wikitable content in Part section of [https://sk.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoznam_%C4%8Dast%C3%AD_seri%C3%A1lu_Oteckovia. the Slovak language] should be bring in the English List of Oteckovia episodes, with it translated completely to English language. I can't do this action. If you can, can you lend a hand please? The Supermind (talk) 07:32, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Edits reverted
I tried to edit some false information in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontera_Energy and I keep receiving messages that edits were reverted and that they're vandalism and I'll be blocked, I sent the explanation of why I was editing but it didn't seem to matter, some information is not related to the company whatsoever and other is dated and now false. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cazcuenaga (talk • contribs) 16:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The place to discuss the article is on its talk page, Talk:Frontera Energy. You are edit-warring, and that is liable to get you blocked from editing. David Biddulph (talk) 16:32, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * David Biddulph, Serols is the one that is edit warring with all of us. That user is a bully and when legitimate offers to discuss the matter are made to them, they just ignore them. In my section below I show that I four times made an offer on their Talk page to discuss why they keep reverting my edits and my offers were deleted every time. Cazcuenaga shouldn't get blocked from editing, but a moderator should block Serols. That person reverts edits without justification, and sends threatening messages too which isn't the spirit of Wikipedia. 2A00:23C8:4384:F00:1C75:5933:D6DE:3536 (talk) 16:57, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The same user that did that to you, "Serols", is doing the same to me. It's really bad. It's simply bullying. They're just undoing legitimate edits, without explanation, and sending threats, and not talking to explain their actions and come to an agreement. I don't know how to report them to a moderator but someone need to! 2A00:23C8:4384:F00:1C75:5933:D6DE:3536 (talk) 16:13, 25 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, the people who work in anti-vandalism sometimes have to rely on heuristics which occasionally may not lead to correct conclusions, I can for example see how from 's point of view this may have looked like someone removing controversial information from the article. However, you provided an apt edit summary and Serols did not. What you should usually do when someone reverts you is to follow bold-revert-discuss and invite the other party to discuss the matter on the talk page. From reading the sources, I mostly agree with your edit, having an entire section dedicated to this tangential event wasn't WP:DUE. I have slightly reworded the section, could be summarized even further. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello Thjarkur, please see here. Regards --Serols (talk) 18:00, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Report a user to moderators
I started trying to tidy up an article, it was repetitive and some headings don't even relate to the following paragraph. User "Serols" keeps undoing my edits, without explaining why, and sending me threats on my Talk page. I've tried to ask them multiple times on their Talk page why they keep undoing my tidying up but they just delete my comment. It's simple bullying. I can't get past the first edit of tidying up before they delete my comment.

Here's an example of me trying to talk to this person but they're just being rude and a bully. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASerols&type=revision&diff=980277906&oldid=980277337

Can you report them to a moderator, please? I don't know how to do that but their behaviour is really unfair 2A00:23C8:4384:F00:1C75:5933:D6DE:3536 (talk) 16:11, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Also, you'll see that the person who started a section above me has a problem is "Serols" undoing legitimate edits. And if you look on Serols Talk page, many other people have had issues with them undoing legitimate edits. For example, someone states that they deleted a page that doesn't make sense and the only source is Facebook, but Serols just undid that deletion. By the frequency of edits, it is clear that Serols isn't actually looking at what they're doing, but just arbitrarily undoing edits from legitimate users and then sending them threats if we dare question them. I don't know if this is an out of control bot or a arrogant user but PLEASE send a moderator or someone in charge to address this. 2A00:23C8:4384:F00:1C75:5933:D6DE:3536 (talk) 16:23, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * For others, the article in question is John Cass – Thjarkur (talk) 16:30, 25 September 2020 (UTC)


 * User "Ostraoyster" deleted this page in July because it doesn't make any sense: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilario_Davide_III . It is clearly a page made by the subject of the article, referencing the user's facebook page. And "Serols" reverted the legitimate edit. He/she is simply a bully who doesn't look at what they're doing and just reverts edits at random, and sends threatening messages to users if they undo the reversion. PLEASE can a moderator do something about that user and tell them off, as the person in the section above also has the same issue with this user and multiple people on Serol's talk page have complained that their legitimate edits are reverted. Wikipedia is supposed to be a place where we can all do our own little bit, not a place where every change is undone by an arrogant bully! 2A00:23C8:4384:F00:1C75:5933:D6DE:3536 (talk) 16:52, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I would also recommend following bold-revert-discuss and starting a discussion on the article's talk page. If no one has replied in a few days, just reinstate your edit. I do agree with you that Serols not using edit summaries and only using templated warnings is only going to lead to annoyed new editors, but I would really recommend trying still to start a talk page discussion. In the Ostraoyster case, Ostraoyster's removal was not distinguishable from page-blanking vandalism. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:12, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hindi versions
why articles are not in hindi translation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.118.167.229 (talk) 16:43, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That just means no one has written a translation yet. You could be the one to do it by going to http://hi.wikipedia.org/ – Thjarkur (talk) 17:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You can find avice at WP:Translate us. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:34, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

WP:PR issue
I requested for peer review of an article on 1st September. It is still unanswered. But my request in Main section (where the answered ones stay) instead of staying in Unanswered section. The article: Peer review.  ❯❯❯  S A H A   18:25, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Kroger4
Forgive my laziness; I no longer actively edit but there's a minor concern that I'd like to voice, since I don't intend to do anything about it personally.

It's come to my attention that User:Kroger4 likes to edit but doesn't follow the guidelines. He/she appears to watch YouTube videos and then come to Wikipedia to add links to those videos. Some are helpful additions, some are less than encyclopedic quality External links, and some are definitely against policy — using YouTube videos as references, often for dubious information.

There are a number of notifications on his/her user page which appear to have been ignored. I think Kroger4 would like to make useful additions and be a better editor but simply doesn't fully understand how. I don't think sanctions would be helpful. Perhaps some mentoring is in order if anyone has the time? Just my two penneth. Cheers.

Please note that I probably won't see any replies to this message as I'm busy with other things. I just thought it would be worth mentioning. Regards, nagualdesign 18:41, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Beatrice Chanler
Hello, My grandmother, Beatrice Ashley Chanler, was born Minnie W Collins in Dartmouth MA according to birth records registered in the town of Dartmouth, MA. Her mother was Eliza Tully Collins. A few minutes after revising my grandmother's name and birth data, I retured to the site to see the old erroneous info is there. Will it take time for the corrections to be on the site?

William A Chanler 3rd — Preceding unsigned comment added by WilliamAChanler3rd (talk • contribs) 18:42, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello . I looked at the changes you made.  They were reverted by another editor because they were not sourced.  Wikipedia doesn't use "First hand information".  Unless you can find a source (A book, website, video, ect...) that shows that correct information, other editors will revert the changes.  Hopefully this helps. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:50, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , the site policies require the use of secondary, reliable sources, neither family recollections or primary documents such as birth certificates are used to support biographical claims. After reviewing the article Beatrice Chanler I notice that the current information is not well-sourced, either. The best place to work out content disputes such as this is the article's talk page.  I would suggest that you and  attempt discussing this discrepancy there first. (Note:I revised your header because very long headers such as this can cause problems with displays on some devices.) I hope that helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:00, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Making a template that fills a list with all pages in a category?
So, I'm trying to make a template that fills a list in a template with all the pages in a specific category. Is this possible? And if so, how do I go about doing that? DraegerChem (talk) 18:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, this isn't currently possible, we have to manually sync categories and lists. Or are you talking about how to most effectively create a list manually from a category? What is the template you're interested in filling? – Thjarkur (talk) 18:56, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy vanishing rename request.
I’m in the process of attempting to retire/abandon my account. There’s an article on wikihow about how to do various things step by step in the process and one of them is for filing a rename request. It says; “To do so, go to this page and enter your new username. Make sure it is in the format Vanished user ####### (where # are random numbers)”.

So my question here is does that mean the request I should send should be for a rename along the lines on vanisheduser and then a series of numbers or am I misinterpreting what’s written there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lexxxicide (talk • contribs) 18:52, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , I don't know what Wikihow article you are referring to but that isn't related to this project. The actual guideline you need is this one here. The steps there say something similar to what the other article but not exactly the same: The best way is to visit Special:GlobalRenameRequest to access the rename request interface. Requests made this way will be processed by global renamers or stewards. Please specify "request to vanish" in the reason field; your requested username should be of the form "Renamed user nnnnnnnnnn" replacing n with random characters. So, yes, you need to include some text in the "nnnnnnnnnn" section.  You can use this tool at Random.org to get a string to enter and check Special:ListUsers to make sure your string doesn't overlap with anyone else's.  I hope that helps and I'm sorry you're leaving. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Minimizing or maximizing
How do you minimize or maximize a file? Gioguch (talk) 18:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you referring to making images larger and smaller? If so, see mw:Help:Images – Thjarkur (talk) 19:27, 25 September 2020 (UTC)