Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 April 13

= April 13 =

italicized pages in categories
Hi, I have noticed italicized pages in categories which seem to be for links to rows in tables and I cannot figure out how to transport these links to more relevant categories. ShadowDragon343 (talk) 00:23, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * If you are viewing a category page, and the link in in italics, that is because the link is a redirect. Mjroots (talk) 05:43, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * See Redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:31, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Help needed in setting up AfD
Please help by fixing this AfD formatting. There's a separate AfD at the bottom of this page, Articles_for_deletion/Tyson_Walker (totally unrelated to the Tyson Walker AfD), that should be its own AfD on its own page: namely the AfD for Daunte Wright riots.

Please put the Daunte Wright riots AfD on its own page and fix the link on the article page, if you would. Many, many thanks in advance. Moncrief (talk) 00:42, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

P.S. This has now been handled, so please disregard the above request. Moncrief (talk) 00:52, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

How to cite an image of a letter
I found a photo of a letter concerning the start date of principal photography from the series Degrassi Junior High, from the show's production company. The letter is a notification to residents in a particular area on how filming will commence. The problem is, while it's an official notice from a production company, it is just just a scanned image with no accessible text equivalent to link to. How do you cite something like this? Is a production letter suitable for citation? ToQ100gou (talk) 07:18, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * No, as Wikipedia summarizes what publicly available independent reliable sources state. A letter from the company is a primary source and is also not a publicly available source(since it was sent to and intended for residents only).  Typically film productions are announced in a trade publication or the news in general. 331dot (talk) 07:22, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Не актуальная информация
Добрый день! При наборе названия нашей организации выводит ссылку на Википедию с информацией об организации не относящейся к нашей. Как исправить? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeoVector https://yandex.ru/search/?text=%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80&lr=172 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.30.176.225 (talk)


 * This is English language Wikipedia, so communication should be in English. The translation of your question appears to be "Good day! When typing the name of our organization, it displays a link to Wikipedia with information about an organization that is not related to ours. How to fix?" The answer to this is that we cannot fix it, because search engines such as yandex.ru take their information from multiple sources. You would need to contact them directly about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:26, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Appears GeoVector and ГеоВектор are two different companies with the same name. (I couldn’t find an article for ГеоВектор in ruwiki.) I'm not seeing the Wikipedia article in Yandex results now, so guess the immediate issue is sorted? Pelagic ( messages ) – (09:18 Wed 14, AEDT) 22:18, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Protestant Eastern Churches
Hello, I really need help regarding the above mentioned page. According the The notablity criteria laid down by Wikipedia, anything cannot be created. A subject that is not covered outside Wikipedia, does not have any value or significance. An article should have proper verifiable evidence, and significance in the real world.

The concept of "Protestant Eastern Churches" is not a term used anywhere in the real world. Even after surfing through Google for an hours, I have not find such a classification in Christianity.

Can the article be proposed for speedy deletion as there is no such classification. Randomscholar1996 (talk) 13:59, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Randomscholar1996, Eastern Protestant Christianity cannot be speedily deleted as it has been the subject of a 2019 deletion discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Protestant Eastern Christianity, which ended in no consensus. TSventon (talk) 14:12, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * And there is no page called Protestant Eastern Churches. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:18, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I went through the discussion, I am not sure if there has been a consensus regarding that. But what is that I can do now? Can I propose it for deletion and start a new discussion? I really feel, it does not clearly portray truth and verifiability. Any suggestions as what steps I can take Randomscholar1996 (talk) 14:23, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Randomscholar1996, there are three possible courses of action. Without reading all the previous discussions, I would put them in this order:
 * 1. move on to another issue as this deletion has already been discussed and did not reach a conclusion
 * 2. continue to discuss on talk pages
 * 3. read the essay Renominating for deletion and start another Articles for deletion discussion. This may not succeed for the same reason as the previous nomination. TSventon (talk) 15:45, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi . I'm a bit puzzled by your post. Putting aside that, as noted, the article your post regards is apparently "Eastern Protestant Christianity" and not "Protestant Eastern Churches" (though the phrase is mentioned in the article), you state as your rationale: that the concept/term is not used in the real world; and that you turned to Google to substantiate that; and that you spent hours doing so. Yet, the exact phrase (i.e., searched using quote marks around the title), returns multiple results (even limiting the search to just books results returns multiple hits). Additionally, we often have articles on topics aggregating many instances of a definable thing, sometimes at merely descriptive titles ("French Gothic stained glass windows"; "Medieval stained glass in Sweden"), or even explicitly named as a list article ("List of churches named after Saint Joseph"), so long as doing so is not highly indiscriminate, or we can develop limiting criteria for inclusion, and the singular things or instances making up the descriptive or list title are verifiable. In other words, the existence of churches that are fairly characterized as both Eastern and Protestant might be a proper subject of an article, even if the amalgamated descriptive title was not itself used in the literature (which is not the case here). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:16, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi I do apologize for writing the wrong heading. I don't know if it's geographical differences, I am not getting any of those. The most near term search would be comparing Protestantism and Orthodoxy, or Missionary works of Protestant Churches in the East. However nothing in relation to Eastern Protestant Christianity as a community or categorization. I have checked the websites of Ecumenical Organizations such as the World Council of Churces, Christian Conference of Asia, Conference of European Churches etc, to see if such a classification exist. I could not find any.


 * The point I made was in relation to the guidelines I saw in the Notablity page. It has been written that if a concept, term, person, idea is not used in the real world or does not have substantial evidence from second party and third party sources the article should not be included in Wikipedia. In the case of Eastern Protestant Christianity there is not even first hand sources of such an idea in existence. That is the reason I raised such a question in this forum . Thank you. Randomscholar1996 (talk) 19:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

I own Karan Kundra page
Hi I am KARAN Kundra and I need to edit my page.

I am not able to gain access. I can also show proof that this is me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.144.143.165 (talk)


 * No you don't own it, see WP:OWN. This is Wikipedia, the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. If you are the subject of the article, please read WP:COI and WP:AUTO. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:24, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * It is not "your page", but a Wikipedia article about you. You may make a formal edit request on the article talk page, detailing changes you feel are needed, sourced to independent reliable sources. Please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 15:26, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * And if you're talking about the Google Knowledge Graph (which you can claim), you'd need to contact Google.
 * Symbol move vote.svg Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The same feedback facility is also provided on Bing and some other search engines. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:28, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Karan Kundra doesn't appear to be protected, so what do you mean by "gain access"? Unsourced changes may be reverted. Pelagic ( messages ) – (09:26 Wed 14, AEDT) 22:26, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Help in use of template for "death date and age"
Hi. I am trying to edit the article April 2021 United States Capitol car attack. Specifically, the section and the InfoBox about the police officer Billy Evans (here ---> April 2021 United States Capitol car attack). I am trying to insert his birth, death, and age. I am trying to use this template ---> April 2, 2021. It just won't seem to work. Please help. And please let me know what exactly is the error I made. Many thanks! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:32, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Source: .   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:37, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't see anything wrong with the death date. Although his birth date didn't show up because of a broken template (I've fixed it). Kleinpecan (talk) 15:43, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * For future reference the issue here was that you forgot to include the name of the birth date template as the first parameter, so the software was looking for a template called "02" instead. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 16:21, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I really don't have a good grasp on how the Wikipedia Templates work. When I made the edit, I typed in ...  April 2, 2021 . What was I supposed to type in, to make the template work correctly? All I did was a "copy and paste" from the Original Template page (this ---> Template:Death date and age) ... and I simply changed the relevant dates. (I think? No?)   Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:54, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * That code is correct and you added it correctly at  in the infobox. The problem was in  . You wrote  . The first part after   is the name of a template, not a parameter. Kleinpecan fixed it. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, all. I get it, now. Makes sense. Thanks for the explanations ... and for fixing the article page. Thanks! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:47, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Archiving a User Talk Page
I have been manually archiving my user talk page for years, but that is work that I now realize can be just as well done by certain bots that have the capability to archive user talk pages. Right now I am not asking anyone to set up archiving of my talk page, or to show me in detail how to archive my talk page, but I would like to know which bots are available and where the parameters to set the bot are documented. That is, I would like to control how long discussions stay on the talk page, as well as when an archive becomes full and is switched over to the next number. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:09, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Have a look at Help:Archiving a talk page, which has a comparison of the two main archiving bots and some example configuration setups. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 16:18, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * (e/c) Hey Robert. See Help:Archiving a talk page, the current bots available are listed at the "Help:Archiving a talk page section. Just below that is detail on the parameters to use. As to the two parameter types you've identified you want control over, depending on which bot you choose, each has slightly different parameter names. Just using the code for lowercase sigmabot III as an example, it provides a 90-day default, so you would change  to whatever number of days you want the bot to hold off before archiving; for size, it provides a 75,000-byte threshold before opening a new archive, so you would change   to whatever number of bytes you want. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:32, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, User:Fuhghettaboutit. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:40, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

How can I see which redirects exist in document
Hello, I'm not native English speaker, so my English can be unnatural.

As I wrote in headline, how can I see which redirects exist in specific document? I want to know whether there are right redirects in documents, but I have no idea how to find it. Can you help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LR0725 (talk • contribs) 16:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * If you mean Wikipedia redirects in Wikipedia pages then you can install User:BrandonXLF/GreenRedirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:21, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Publishing a page
I would like to publish my page with my photo. I have sent in the request to publish but I still do not see it. Can you please help? Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian Stiell (talk • contribs) 17:46, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * If you are referring to your sandbox, you have not actually submitted it for review. If you were to do so, however, it would be rejected quickly, as it is completely unsourced to independent reliable sources. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state about a person, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Wikipedia is not a place to post your resume. Please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 17:55, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * @Ian Stiell: Photographs are tricky. Usually it's the photographer not the subject who holds copyright, even if it’s work for hire.  One workaround is to use a timer or remote shutter release to photograph yourself. For the mechanics of adding references to your sandbox article, see Help:Referencing for beginners. (The instructions there focus on wikitext and the 2010 editing toolbar. With Visual Editor, the principles are the same but the interface is different.) Pelagic ( messages ) – (08:29 Thu 15, AEDT) 21:29, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Minnesota Vacation
It is with deep regret that our family unit of 3 generations will be unable to make it to Minnesota this year on vacation to show our children and grandchildren your beautiful state. None of us has ever been racist but with all the rioting and damaging of peoples stores and restaurants and people allowed to run rampant and civil unrest going on we fear for our safety since no one seems to get arrested for anything there. I went to school outside of Chicago and speaking with my siblings none of us ever remember our parents, family members or even our neighbors ever asking if the friend we were bringing home was black, brown, white, or any other color to join us for dinner or for stay overs and certainly not their social class. What was expected was to behave, respect each other and our property and to be honest, virtues which seem to elude so many of those in power there. We were taught to respect our elders and the police, to always be obedient and truthful. These are virtues we choose to pass onto our children, not all this that's happening there. Besides, why should we spend our hard earned money there and support your local businesses when you do nothing to protect them. So sad, we will all keep you in our prayers.

Now what happens to anyone when they get shot or hurt by anyone regardless of color, race, ethnicity or social background is beyond tragic for all parties involved. Justice should prevail and due process afforded to all involved. After all we live in the greatest country on earth, the United States of America. But listening to that mayor today inciting racism just made me cry. My children asked me why I was crying. I said listen, this is hatred being shown towards other people. Showing respect, gratitude and love, being honest about all sides of every situation will do more to fix any kind of divide in this country than anything else. What gives anyone the right to destroy someone else's property? What gives anyone the right to kill, mame or hurt anyone else? What gives this so called mayor the right to judge someone so harshly without a full investigation? I can only pray Mr. Mayor that if you do someone wrong that the injured party to which you have wronged will show more grace and forgiveness than you have.

Until you lay down all your hatred and begin to respect each other, other's property and respect each other you can all have all your hatred and violence. Please just stay in Minnesota and do that. We choose not have any part of it or experience it in person. We pray for all of you.

The Smith Family and yes, that if our real name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6011:bd07:4c5:c8ec:5b55:1c3c:136d (talk • contribs)
 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.2 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 19:56, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that you direct your comments to the government official in Minnesota you seem to be referring to. 331dot (talk) 21:42, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Daunte Wright
Daunte Wright Mother is WHITE, Daunte Wright is NOT BLACK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:3C4:8180:1940:9E:E670:DE9F:569E (talk) 23:43, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The source noted in the article, which can be seen here says he was black. Wikipedia reports upon what the sources say. If you have a reliable source which says something different, please feel free to join the discussion at the article talk page. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 00:29, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Unless Wright was a clone, his father has some say in the matter. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:22, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


 * It's complicated. Please see Black_people. -Arch dude (talk) 18:25, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Barack Obama identifies as a black person even though his mom was white. 331dot (talk) 21:46, 14 April 2021 (UTC)