Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 April 2

= April 2 =

How to get "More" tab to appear?
I can't get the "More" tab to appear on articles. The "Page" and Twinkle tabs appear but not the More tab. In the Gadgets section in preferences I see nothing that relates to the specific tab. ThatOneRandomGuyYouMeet (talk) 02:39, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the help desk. The "More" Tab automatically appears when there is something inside. Could you please tell us which Skin you are using? Victor Schmidt (talk) 05:59, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Is the tab completely missing or does nothing happen when you click it? Please post an example article. Is it missing at The Example? PrimeHunter (talk) 09:42, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The tab is missing completely. I don't know what you mean by "example article" but my skin is on Vector, which I think is the skin which has it. And I've also clicked on the random article button several times over and it won't appear on those. I should mention that it appears when the page loads but gets cut out a second later. I've also tried turning off Twinkle and the other tab, but that won't help. ThatOneRandomGuyYouMeet (talk) 12:04, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you have MoreMenu enabled? Kleinpecan (talk) 13:23, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * An example article is an example of an article where you have encountered a reported issue. Always post an example. You said you have a "Page" tab so I guess you have enabled MoreMenu. This may move all content from the "More" tab to the "Page" tab after the page loads. Some browsers remove the More tab if it's left empty. What is your browser and are you missing any options you think should be in "More" and aren't in "Page"? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:17, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

I turned off MoreMenu and it decided to work! How fun. (/s) ThatOneRandomGuyYouMeet (talk) 18:02, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

How to Get a Space Encyclopaedia In Wikipedia
Check the subject I want to listen that — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4062:17:7CC6:AC7D:1BFF:FE31:463F (talk) 08:41, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly clear on what you are asking, would you like to see an article about a space encyclopedia? If this encyclopedia receives significant coverage in independent reliable sources, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability, it may merit an article. 331dot (talk) 08:57, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Check out Encyclopedia Astronautica.--Shantavira|feed me 09:29, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Can someone help please
Hi, guess I created a mess here. there is a and a  and because of a rename of me (instead of creating a new article) I screwed up. Can someone help me fix this? Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 09:48, 2 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Lotje, User:Rothschild editor edited the article Villa Plinianina about Villa Plinianina (Q4012433) and changed the subject to Villa Pliniana (Q4012427). You moved the article Villa Plinianina to Villa Pliniana. User:Rothschild editor also created Draft:Villa Pliniana.


 * I have reversed Rothschild editor's edits to Villa Plinianina and your move. Hopefully Draft:Villa Pliniana will be published in due course. TSventon (talk) 11:03, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

How to reply to comments made on a draft
I am a very new contributor, doing my best to make an interesting contribution, but feeling bamboozled by the technicality and seeming hostility of those reviewing my earliest efforts.

I followed very conscientiously the page of a highly regarded business entrepreneur as a template, yet the page I have constructed has been reviewed as though I were writing completely made up propaganda. So much for a first taste of joining this group, to which I have financially contributed generously over many years. Anyway, more to the point, I am determined to finish this page, even if it is the one and only page I ever write.

What I would like to be able to do is respond directly to the two people who have commented today to see if I can provide the things their comments suggest. It is not at all obvious how a person enters a dialogue on a talk page with the individuals who have made comments concerning a draft.

I would like to reply to contributors Fiddle Faddle and EagleAsh to see if I have responded well to their requirements.

Jeter1956 (talk) 09:56, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You have made a comment on the draft talk page, but if you would like to ask the other editors directly, you may post on their user talk pages. Most user's signatures include a link to their user talk page(as mine will at the end of this text) or you can find it in the draft edit history. In this case, I will link to them directly; User talk:Timtrent(who altered their signature to say Fiddle Faddle) and User talk:Eagleash. They also will likely be aware I have linked their usernames here, and may respond here. 331dot (talk) 10:05, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * . I thought I'd take a more detailed look at your draft, since a quick glance seemed to show that Uday Phadke might well be the sort of person who could have an article about them on Wikipedia. My conclusion is that the text is pretty good but the citations/references are extremely poor. For example, not one of the citations currently 21 to 27 are about Phadke. Most just go to the topmost level of a website, leaving any reader of the article who wants to verify what the article says struggling to find the information (if there is any). What on earth does Larry Fink's letter have to do with Padke? At most it might help define what green-washing means but that could have been done with a link to the article green-washing. Similarly, reference 22 is merely a link to Business Model Canvas, breaking the rule that Wikipedia itself can't be used as a source for anything, as it isn't reliable (even if it were relevant, which it isn't in this case as it doesn't mention Phadke). Bottom line: could well get accepted but only after careful work on the referencing. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:10, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * See #Publishing my contribution above . I am in the process of trying to evaluate the sources but as you say, they are not good. Most are just passing mentions 'by' rather than 'about' or just do not mention at all. I will be replying at the draft talk when RL allows! Eagleash (talk) 12:17, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Archived.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  16:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * while it is possible to use the other editor's talk page, it is probably better to keep your discussion on the draft article's talk page so all reviewers can see it. To ensure that the editor to whom you are responding is notified, use one of the "ping" templates, such as, as I did here at the beginning of this response to ping you. If you feel your comment warranted a response but none was forthcoming, then go to that editor's talk page after awhile, but remember that we are all volunteers, some of us actually have an off-wiki life, and we are in different time zones. -Arch dude (talk) 14:48, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Community global bans vs Foundation global bans
I know that some people get globally banned by the community and others by the WMF. I know community global bans happen after community discussion and Foundation global bans are enforced by the WMF. What could get someone to get a Foundation global ban? Interstellarity (talk) 10:38, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you anticipate getting a global ban from the Foundation? I'm not sure it's wise to get into specifics about it but it's likely a Foundation ban would result if the disruption of the banned party crossed into multiple Wikimedia projects. 331dot (talk) 10:43, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You may want to read WMF Global Ban Policy, where it is all laid out. Often, I would guess, there's private or off-wiki information involved. -- zzuuzz (talk) 10:45, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't anticipate getting a global ban from the Foundation at all. I try to do what is best for Wikipedia and I think it would be unlikely for me to get one. I won't ask anymore information about it since it could be get me into hot water. Interstellarity (talk) 12:36, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Edit reverted for not being constructive
Hello, someone reverted my edits on a page and sent me the following reason on my talk page: "I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Open Table Network—because it did not appear constructive." Please see the "April 2021" section of my talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AndyGordon I don't understand what is meant by not being constructive. Can you help? Many thanks. AndyGordon (talk) 12:25, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Here is the reversion. I'm not sure why did not consider it constructive – my guess it's because the quoted text does not appear in the source cited. But I've pinged CommanderWaterford, maybe they'll come here and explain. If not, you can ask on their talk page. Maproom (talk) 14:21, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks you. What does ping mean in the wikipedia setting?  Is it the same as @-mentioning someone?  CommanderWaterford has restored the text - I think that they made a mistake. AndyGordon (talk) 17:37, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , I have just pinged you (If you click on the link, it'll take you to our information page explaining what a ping is). You should have seen a little red circle with a number in it alerting you to the fact that I mentioned you in this comment.  There are several ways to ping someone, some are described on that page.  The one I like to use is to type   where Username is the usernameof the person I want to ping.~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 17:42, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * @ONUnicorn thank you so much! AndyGordon (talk) 17:56, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Glad it worked for you. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 19:24, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Title for source?
What should I list in the “title” area when adding a source to an article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevesmithbn (talk • contribs) 21:16, 2 April 2021 (UTC)


 * It'd be the title of the source (for example, headline). — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:24, 2 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I went and added in the title, date etc, on your edit, to give you an example of what to add. Cmr08 (talk) 04:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Sum values in a table
Hi! I'm in the process of updating this table here: Sweden women's national football team At the bottom is a row for total values. Is there any way to put in code that automatically calculates the totals for each row? I have looked around but not found anything. If it doesn't exist I think it should be made :) --Mango från yttre rymden (talk) 22:59, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * There is no such feature. It has been requested before, e.g. T120480, T132298, T247875. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:13, 2 April 2021 (UTC)