Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 August 13

= August 13 =

User block report
User is making editing war and refuse to discuss in the article Tilahun Gessesse's talk page by simply changing the historical birthplace of Ethiopia during the Italian rule, which is then called "Italian East Africa" (1936–1941), he was born in 1940. I had tried to request protection but the bot delete my submission, and instead I'm here to address such disruption by user. Some of edits appear here:
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 * .The Supermind (talk) 06:33, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * and have been engaged in an edit war at Tilahun Gessesse, though neither has come close to violating WP:3RR, so there would be no justification for a block. The Supermind has started a discussion on the talk page (thank you, The Supermind) to which Superinformative has not yet responded. Superinformative has twice accused The Supermind of vandalism, with no justification: I assume they haven't read WP:VD.   Maproom (talk) 08:33, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

First wikipedia article
Hello Wiki,

We would like to post our first article on wikipedia. It would be great if you can guide us through the same.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Regards, ChaiChun family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaichun wiki (talk • contribs)


 * I see this account has been blocked as advertising-only account. Also, we don't have family accounts- each individual should have their own account (although now that you're blocked, you'd need to get this account unblocked first). Joseph2302 (talk) 07:17, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Problem with adding categories
Every time I try to add a category by using the linking button a : is added to the category making it like this Category:Foo.★Trekker (talk) 08:22, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * *Treker, just two minutes before writing the above, you added a category (without the colon) to an article, thereby doing what you seem to be saying you cannot do. Just what/where is the difficulty, exactly? -- Hoary (talk) 08:52, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I had no manualy remove it when I noticed it was happening on Wikipedia as well, I had this problem on Commons yesterday.★Trekker (talk) 09:06, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It's an intentional change in T38227 which was implemented in the MediaWiki version we got yesterday: mw:MediaWiki 1.37/wmf.18. The button is called "Link" and has a link icon. If you enter  then you also get a colon in front now to produce a link File:Example.png instead of adding the image. Below the edit box you may have a drop-down menu where the "Wiki markup" part has a   button. You can also use HotCat to add categories. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:38, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you!★Trekker (talk) 11:53, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Page
How do you make your own article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.254.7.144 (talk)
 * IP editor, if you mean how do you make your first article, see Help:Your first article. If you mean an article about yourself, please don't see Autobiography. TSventon (talk) 10:37, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm going to assume there's an "and" missing between "don't" and "see"... — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:11, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi 90.254.7.144, I suggest you check out Help:My first article, and if you have further questions, you should ask at the Teahouse, which is a good place for new editors to ask questions. Furthermore, please sign your messages - you can do this by addding  at the end of your message. Zudo (talk • contribs) 10:40, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

May you please help me categorize the following essay?
May you please categorize WP:SANTA properly? Thanks! Félix An (talk) 11:51, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It's in the essay category, which is good for now. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  23:27, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Timtempleton Are there even more fine categories for different types of essays? Félix An (talk) 23:40, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I just looked and found this: Category:Wikipedia essays. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  23:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Noticed 2 errors with reference to Singapore and the founding fathers of the PAP (People's Action Party), Singapore.
and Kenneth Michael Byrne

How do I offer to correct these minor errors?

Reference

1. Kenneth M Byrne. Minister PAP. Had no son, only 1 daughter.

2. Someone is claiming incorrectly to be one of the 9 founding fathers of PAP. There is evidence to prove otherwise.

Thank you L. M. Parry
 * Hi L. M. Parry. I've checked the two articles you mentioned and I couldn't find any obvious error related to what you pointed. The People's Action Party sources the nine founding members and I couldn't access the source in the Kenneth Michael Byrne article. If you believe there to be an error, be bold and fix it, giving appropriate sources. Isabelle 🔔 14:44, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Another option is for you to start a discussion on the article's talk page (e.g. Talk:People's Action Party to post your suggestions and reliable sources. Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 01:57, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Creating an account
Is that possible to some one who has not eney certification be a member of Wikipedia? Because I didn't get to school before — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.214.3.178 (talk)
 * I'm not sure what "eney certification" is, but it's not a limitation on creating an account. 331dot (talk) 14:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Anyone may have an account. In fact, anyone can edit. However, if you are unsure of your writing ability and spelling ability, you should probably not edit articles directly. Instead, you may make suggestions for improvements to an article on the article's talk page, and another editor can then handle the proper language for you. -Arch dude (talk) 15:04, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Correction
Hi I would like to inform u that information mentioned in about mazandaran and gilak people genetics haplogroup is wrong they have more r1b haplogroup in them not r1a following is the reference

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0041252o
 * The best thing to do is open a discussion on the article talk page and share the links-- S Philbrick (Talk)  14:55, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

article "Ilaria Brocchini"
Dear all, the draft for the article "Ilaria Brocchini" should be published https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ilaria_Brocchini A Wikipedia page for this philosopher already exists in German https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilaria_Brocchini Thank all for your assistance --185.12.130.50 (talk) 15:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi 185.12.130.50. If you want the draft to be reviewed, please add   to the top of the page, so it's added to the review queue. I'll also ping  here, who has been editing the draft recently. Isabelle 🔔 15:31, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Dear Isabelle Thank you for your kind help ! I appreciate it very mach--Mirabiliamira (talk) 18:04, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Menobot?
I've just received an email entirely in Arabic script, except for the words 'Menobot' and 'Verbarson', and the Wikimedia Foundation address in the footer. It claims to come from wiki@wikimedia.org. It means nothing to me.

Should I worry? Should somebody else worry?

--Verbarson (talk) 15:36, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks like that bot welcomed you to the Moroccan Arabic Wikipedia — some Wikipedia communities have welcoming bots even if you've never made any edits there. You can just ignore it, nothing to worry about! DanCherek (talk) 15:47, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Don't remember even visiting that! Oh, well, it's better than some phishing email. Thanks for the solution.--Verbarson (talk) 15:52, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Mark
Mark Fisher Was the executive Producer of The Breakout Mma. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.246.13.115 (talk)


 * We have articles on many Mark Fishers. Which one are you referring to? Joseph2302 (talk) 15:48, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I can't find any connection between a Mark Fisher and any MMA article. You'll have to provide us with a link. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  23:21, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Caucasian Race
Hi The entry is biased and wrong. This should be corrected immediately Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.25.43 (talk)
 * Hi Mike. We can;'t respond to a general grievance. If you have specific errors to point out in that article, please comment on its article talk page, detailing the specific errors.  Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state, so if those sources are not being summarized accurately, we want to know about it.  If you don't like what the sources say, but the article summarizes them accurately, you will need to take that up with the sources. 331dot (talk) 15:48, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Missing pin on Infobox map
I have added Infobox bridge (including | coordinates = 54.89739°N, -1.68781°W ) to the Causey Arch article, but it only shows the pin on the map while in preview mode. When I read the article normally, there is no pin. I think all my brackets are correctly terminated, and nothing else seems to go wrong. The pin does appear if I click on the map to make it full screen.--Verbarson (talk) 16:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Weird? It appears perfectly fine for me. — Mcguy15  (talk, contribs) 16:41, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'm using Windows 10 (with IPv4). It behaves the same using Edge, Chrome or Internet Explorer. I've just tried it on a different laptop, with a different IP (IPv6), running Chrome on Lubuntu, and it still behaves the same.--Verbarson (talk) 16:56, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Further, I am logged in on the Windows laptop, but not on the Lubuntu laptop.--Verbarson (talk) 16:58, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * My edit has corrected the display of the coordinates at the top right, but I'm not seeing the pin either (Windows 10, Firefox) -- John of Reading (talk) 17:37, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I see the pin just fine. Windows 10, using chrome. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 17:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I am also Windows 10, on Brave (chromium), and the pin displays fine on all wp skins, as well as en.m.wikipedia. — Mcguy15  (talk, contribs) 17:59, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No pin for me unless I click the map for an enlarged version. (W10, Chrome browser,, Ctrl-F5 refreshed). Bazza (talk) 19:55, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Works fine for me both on Firefox, version 90.0.2, and on Chromium, version 90.0.4430.212. Above: "I'm using Windows 10 (with IPv4). It behaves the same using Edge, Chrome or Internet Explorer." MSIE is now something of an antique; are you using the latest versions of Edge and Chrome? -- Hoary (talk) 22:08, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Tell me about it. I have to use it professionally for one essential program that uses ActiveXes. However, IE and Edge are as up-to-date as a security-conscious IT policy can keep them. Chrome may be a bit older.
 * The Chrome on the Lubuntu box is Version 92.0.4515.131 (Official Build) (64-bit).
 * I have yet to find another article/infobox that fails to show the pin.--Verbarson (talk) 06:35, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I've just copied the article verbatim to User:Verbarson/Causey Arch - and the pin appears! (I have since colonised the categories - pin stayed).--Verbarson (talk) 06:42, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Solution (of sorts). I have entirely removed the coords from the coordinates parameter. The pin now appears on the map (presumably based on the OS grid ref?) and the coordinates still appear in the infobox (though not at the head of the article). Can anyone explain this? --Verbarson (talk) 15:16, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Please help me in editing a Biography
There is a Biographical page of Sree Sree Thakur Anukulchandra ; in this following link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anukulchandra_Chakravarty I want to expand it an modify it. I have proper resources but I don't know how to make the required stable changes. Please guide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Souvikghoshias (talk • contribs) 2021-08-13T18:57:32 (UTC)


 * , WP:TUTORIAL and WP:ADVENTURE can be good places to start. Learning to add inline citations correctly is essential. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:28, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Thank you for wanting to improve Wikipedia. THat article certainly could do with expansion. But I think you need to be careful: looking at the article's history, there have been many attempts to add material, subsequently removed because it was not cited or not neutral. Remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. More or less every statement you add should be supported by a citation to a reliable source independent of Anukulchandra and his movement. It might be a good idea to ask for a collaborator at WT:INDIA. --ColinFine (talk) 19:02, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Edit link
On en.wiki, if I edit a section of a page, the edit link is to the far right, which is where I want it. I assume this is somewhere in my Preferences, but I'm not sure where. When I edit at meta, I also want the edit link in the same position, but it's just to the right of the section header. I went through Preferences on meta, but I couldn't find it. Thanks for any help.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Bbb23: You probably have the gadget "Move section [edit] links to the right side of the screen" enabled here on en.wp. It doesn't seem to exist on meta, but you should be able to use it there by putting   at the top of your m:Special:MyPage/common.css. – <span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#e40303,#ff8c00,#ffed00,#008026,#004dff,#750787);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text;">Rummskartoffel  19:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It doesn't work. You can look at it on meta and tell me if I did anything wrong. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:21, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Bbb23: You're missing the semicolon at the end. Try adding that, that might fix it. With the semicolon, it works for me. – <span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#e40303,#ff8c00,#ffed00,#008026,#004dff,#750787);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text;">Rummskartoffel 21:27, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It does indeed. I figured it was my fault. It'd be so much better if I understood the syntax rather than following instructions mindlessly. Thanks! --Bbb23 (talk) 21:30, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Bbb23: By now it's too late for me answer differently, but there's an explanation of the syntax at MDN if you're interested. Besides, I wasn't aware the semicolon mattered, either – I'm not very intimately familiar with CSS, so I was relaying instructions mindlessly –, that was just the obvious difference. – <span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#e40303,#ff8c00,#ffed00,#008026,#004dff,#750787);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text;">Rummskartoffel 10:35, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * But you knew enough to tell me what to do and to make it relatively easy for me to do it. I had no clue where to start, so forgive me but I think I still win the prize for mindlessness. The irony is I don't edit at meta very often, so it's a minor improvement. Regards.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Foreign Language link wrong person
There seems to be some confusion as there are 2 people with the name Andrew Gower.

Andrew Christopher Gower (born 1978) is a computer programmer whose English Wikipedia page was recently merged with the one from Jagex (which I thnk he created).

There is however also an actor called Andrew Gower (born 1989).

When Andrew Christopher Gower's Wikipedia page was merged with the Jagex one, it meant that if people looked for Andrew Gower (the actor), they were also redirected to the Jagex page.

I suggested to change that and apparently it was. If you're currently looking for Andrew Gower, you are directed to the actor's page BUT if you click any of the links to read the article in a different language, you suddenly end up on the foreign language page for the computer programmer.

Andrew Gower (the actor) has pages on Wikipedia in English, German, Egyptian Arabian and Hebrew (according to the German article).

I don't know how this can be fix but I hope it can!

Minkerbelle (talk) 19:18, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi @Minkerbelle. This happened because the original wikidata item, Q2451677, wasn't updated. I've went ahead and update that one, as well as the one it should be linked to, Q4757137. It might take some time for the article on Wikipedia to update, but it should link to the correct interwiki articles now. Thanks for the heads up! Isabelle 🔔 19:30, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

I'd like to avoid to be seen as sockpupper


I've a friend who wants to create an account. The problem is that we live in the same city and we may share the same IP adress. What can I do to avoid to be a seen as sockpupper? <b style="font-family: Verdana; color: #6633FF;">Dr</b> <b style="font-family: Verdana; color: #6633FF;">Salvus</b> 19:57, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Are they likely to use the exact same device to log in as yourself? So long as you/they declare it, there'll be no issues. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:09, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't personally see any issue with sock puppers, ha ha. RoxySaunders (talk · contribs) 18:52, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Where to put the dash, if any in this title?
I would like to create an article on an emerging software architecture called "micro frontend". I am however confused about the spelling to use:


 * I have found at least 5 books as potential sources, which all use the spelling "Micro frontend". There are also dozen of web articles using the same spelling. So this appears to be the spelling used by the specialists of the field.
 * However this spelling is not consistent with the traditional use of "micro" which is concatenated to the noun that it characterises, such as Microprocessor, Micrometer or Microservices (which is, by the way, in the same software architecture field as micro frontends).
 * Moreover on a couple of secondary sources, I have found the spelling "Micro-frontend"
 * To make it worse, it appears on wikipedia and in the literature that the second term can be written "front end" (as in the title of wikipedia article Front end and back end), "frontend" (as in the body of that same article),  "front-end" (as in the body of the wikipedia disambiguation page Front end.
 * A review of academic computing papers (ACM library, published between 1974 and 2021) shows 89 articles using "front-end" spelling in the title, 35 using "front end", and 16 using "frontend". If reducing this corpus to the articles focused on user interfaces,  the proportion remains similar.
 * A look in the |google Ngram viewer does not help further: it shows a predominance of "front end", then "front-end", then "frontend".  However, the corpus is general purpose and not as specilaized as the ACM corpus.
 * The Wikipedia Manual of style clarifies the capitalization rules. But, I see an issue in the using commonly accepted names considering the diversity above (the spelling of the recent books on the topics seem then the best candidate?) vs the recommendation to avoid dashes.

The following title seem possible "Micro frontend", "Microfrontend", Micro-frontend", "Micro front-end", "Micro front end", "Micro-front-end" (other combinations would be possible but inconsistent). Therefore, to prevent a lot of successive name changes and unnecessary hassle,  I would like to know what would be the recommended wording applying the wikipedia rules and style guide.

Thanks in advance Christophe (talk) 23:30, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Per WP:COMMONNAME, you should use the name which is most commonly used for this subject. From what you've said, I would say that would be "Micro frontend" since that's what is used by most authors writing about it. The fact that the name is inconsistent with other uses of the micro- prefix is not a strong argument to use a nonstandard name. We have articles with similar stand-alone "micro" in their names, when that is the most commonly used name, such as Micro black hole, Micro Transport Protocol, Micro hydro, Micro air vehicle, Micro ribbon connector, Micro combined heat and power, etc. CodeTalker (talk) 00:44, 14 August 2021 (UTC)