Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 August 27

= August 27 =

AiNews.com - Wrongly Indexed
Hello,

Lane Rasberry recommended I reach out to the community. I am the new owner of AiNews.com. AiNews.com is currently listed as a source for multiple Adult Entertainment articles (previously Adult Industry News, now Artificial Intelligence News), and we would like to be disassociated with the Porn industry.

Secondly, if you see what we've seen on AiNews.xxx, you would quickly delete the association. We would rather not write what we've seen, it's heart breaking.

Please delete everything connected to AiNews.com

Thank you, Alex & Michael
 * It appears AInews.com is used pretty frequently in sources about the adult entertainment industry. It also appears the majority of these sources are now dead links. A dead, unarchived source URL may still be useful, and as such probably will not be removed. Such a link indicates that information was (probably) verifiable in the past, and the link might provide another user with greater resources or expertise with enough information to find the reference.


 * Additionally, a majority of these sources will have been archived via the Internet Archive Machine, providing another reason that they will be kept. For example, this source from Forced Entry (2002 film) was archived at . –– FormalDude   talk  00:33, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I have requested that the links be changed at Link rot/URL change requests/Archives/2021/September. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:39, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Rantaraitti missing coordinates
The article Rantaraitti is tagged as missing coordinates. The problem is, the article is about a hiking trail 27 kilometres long. That is too long to pin the coordinates at any single point. How should this be handled? Tag it at the exact centre of the trail, or something? J I P &#124; Talk 00:38, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I see no such warning in the article itself. Are you referring to some other nook or cranny of Wikipedia? Clarityfiend (talk) 01:07, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Clarityfiend: I think might be talking about the hidden categories at the bottom of the page: , and  . — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:22, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I see. Then I would just remove that template. The trail isn't localized enough to make coordinates meaningful, anymore than the Pacific Ocean. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:29, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Karhunkierros is a Finnish hiking trail about 50 km long, and its article has coordinates. Maybe those coordinates could help you determine how to choose the correct coordinates for Rantaraitti?  Hope this helps!  GoingBatty (talk) 02:22, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Pacific Ocean has coordinates. I certainly think something merely 27 km (including curves?) should have coordinates. See WikiProject Geographical coordinates. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:23, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The ocean's coordinates are equally without value IMO. What possible use can there be to specifying a point somewhere in the middle? Clarityfiend (talk) 05:08, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Well, well, well. WHAAOE. WP:LINEAR covers this. (One of the options listed is no coordinates.) Clarityfiend (talk) 05:12, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I edited the article putting coordinates at Nuottaniemi near Matinkylä on the seashore, approximately halfway across the Rantaraitti hiking trail. J I P  &#124; Talk 11:39, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * For things like hiking trails, I'm of the "two sets of coordinates (one for each end)" school of thought—just as fields have been provided for source and mouth coordinates in Infobox river. These can be inserted parenthetically in the text, following the mention of each endpoint, or after each entry in the trailheads field if the article contains Infobox hiking trail. (In either case, only inline display of the coordinates is used.) Deor (talk) 17:55, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I added the "infobox hiking trail" template to Rantaraitti. Did I do this right? J I P  &#124; Talk 03:33, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me. Deor (talk) 15:54, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

RED BIRD MOTEL OF MARION, OHIO CIRQ. 1960'S
I AM SEARCING FOR PICTURES AND INFORMATION OF THE RED BIRD MOTEL IN MARION, OHIO. MY GRANDPARENTS, NORMAN AND MARGARET DULL OWNED IT WHEN I WAS A CHILD. NOW THAT I AM OLDER I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED TO IT? AND IF THERE ARE ANY PICTURES ANYONE HAS. SINCERELY, JAJAMIESON OREM, UTAH — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grandmajamieson (talk • contribs) 03:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia Help Desk is a resource for getting help on how to edit Wikipedia. It is not a resource for general knowledge questions. I suggest you try searching for information on this business through Google or perhaps the Chamber of Commerce for Marion, Ohio or find a Marion, Ohio newspaper and ask them for information. Shearonink (talk) 03:58, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I responded at your talk page. –– FormalDude  talk  03:58, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

sandbox
Hi, is it possible to have someone check my sandbox. I just joined yesterday, am writing a draft of my first article, so want to know if I'm going in the right direction. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joegiuseppe (talk • contribs) 05:14, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


 * The sandbox in question is User:Joegiuseppe/sandbox. First and probably most important, there are no sources. That's a big no no. You should, if you haven't already, read Help:Your first article. You should use his last name, not his first; that's too informal for our taste. Also, please sign your comments with four tildes ("~") . That will automatically identify you and the time. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:20, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In addition, I suggest you also add wikilinks to other articles, and change "both it's" to "both its". Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 05:37, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

draft
Hi, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Cyber_Security_Federation I have created such a page. However, it is pending as a draft. May I know how to publish?

Kind Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meltemkeskin34 (talk • contribs) 07:59, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You need to add the template at the top (without the nowiki tags) and then publish/save the page. However, the Draft would be rapidly declined as it is only one sentence long and it has inadequate references to show this organisation is notable. Please read WP:Your first article and WP:NCORP. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:43, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Is there a Wikipedia article for a list of physical computer ports?
Hi

I'm thinking of starting an article which is a list of physical computer ports e.g USB C, USB A, serial port etc, something a bit like this. I'm quite suprised it doesn't exist already, but maybe I'm searching for the wrong words?

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 09:22, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * There's a huge article at USB hardware and there may well be others. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:35, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * We have loads of articles on pretty much any socket you can think of. See Category:Computer hardware standards for starters. - X201 (talk) 15:42, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Computer port (hardware) has a short list, surprisingly without USB. List of video connectors and Audio and video interfaces and connectors are longer but have limited scope. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:59, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I just added a USB section with photos to Computer port (hardware). It's mentioned in the article a few times. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  18:39, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Adding RfC categories after ID is allocated
I forgot to add "tech" category to the RfC at Template talk:Infobox officeholder Can I add it now, would it be listed in the tech, given that the bot already allocated an ID for it? — DaxServer (talk to me) 11:14, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Not sure how to edit box
There is a section of the article on Paris Hilton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Hilton#Persona that contains a blue box along the right with a long quote from a writer named Geraldine Carton, writing in a magazine called Image. Wikipedia has an article on this magazine Image_(magazine). I'd like to link the mention of Image in the box to the article, but not sure how to. Can you tell me how, or go ahead and do it? If you go ahead and do it, kindly let me know. Thank you. Greg Dahlen (talk) 12:52, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Use the source editor to find the quote and, on the source parameter, replace Image with Image magazine. Bazza (talk) 13:43, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Bazza, thank you, made it easy, got that little endorphin hit from successful edit Greg Dahlen (talk) 13:50, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Use of "the" with UNHCR and ECRE
I have edited Dublin Regulation to add the article "the" to UNHCR and ECRE, as suggested on the talk page. I believe that this is correct, but could not find any specific advice in the Manual of Style. I don't know the definitive rule, for example I would not use "the" with NATO, but I think it would be helpful if someone does know the rule to add something to the manual of style. -- Q Chris (talk) 13:55, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This is one of those subjects over which editors can and will squabble endlessly; the definite article before ship names is another example of this kind of go 'round. If the article consistently doesn't use the definite article before initialisms, it is likely not a good idea to insert the definite article without  buy-in at the article's talk page.  This is much the same as the WP:CITEVAR rule.  I, for one, think that the definite article should not be used before initialisms except in extraordinary cases (I don't know what that 'extraordinary case might be ...)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 14:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. I'll leave my changes in place but I won't argue if someone reverts them. -- Q Chris (talk) 15:00, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * My personal opinion: use it when you would speak it. Don't use "the" when you pronounce it as a word (NATO, NASA, ISIS) but do use is when you pronounce the letters (the USA, the FBI, the UAE). -Arch dude (talk) 18:07, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Creating a new page
Hi My name is Mark Samuels. I am trying to create a page for myself. When creating my account, it said the username "Mark Samuels" was already taken, so I created another name. I now have an account under the name "MrMarkSamuels." I typed "Mark Samuels" in the search engine to see if a page was made for that name and there is nothing created for it. The name "Mark Samuels" is in red. I want to create a page for that specific name. Every time I try to, it brings me back to the MrMarkSamuels account that I just created. Do I have to make some kind of page with the "MrMarkSamuels" account first before I can actually make a page for the name I really want, which is "Mark Samuels?" I hope this makes sense.

I look forward to speaking to someone and thank you. MrMarkSamuels (talk) 14:08, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This is not a social media website with profiles. It is an encyclopaedia with articles on subjects which meet a strict definition of notability.  Attempts at autobiography are strongly discouraged.  --David Biddulph (talk) 14:34, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It appears that there is no user named "Mark Samuels" on Wikipedia - see the message on User:Mark Samuels. Before you try to create an article about yourself, please read WP:AUTO and WP:ABOUTME.  Also, creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially when you have a conflict of interest.  You'll have to demonstrate how you meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability" by providing independent reliable sources with provide significant coverage about you.  The instructions at Help:Your first article are very helpful.  Hope this helps - happy reading!  GoingBatty (talk) 14:36, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


 * You seem to have confused Wikipedia user accounts with Wikipedia articles. User accounts and articles are not connected to each other in any way. A user can edit multiple articles, and an article can be edited by multiple users. As User:David Biddulph wrote above, this is not social media with profiles, this is an encyclopedia. Otherwise there would be nothing preventing you from creating an article about Mark Samuels on Wikipedia no matter what your username is, but if it is indeed the case that you are Mark Samuels yourself, you are strongly discouraged from creating an article about yourself, because of an inherent bias. J I P  &#124; Talk 15:34, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


 * There used to be a WP article about the British writer of weird tales, but it was deleted in 2011 following a (minimal) discussion at Articles for deletion/Mark Samuels. I have no idea whether you're that Mark Samuels, but if you are, it's certainly possible—perhaps even probable—that there are now sufficient reliable sources to support an article about you. It should, however, almost certainly not be written by you; an uninvolved editor should do so. (Apologies if you're a different Mark Samuels.) Deor (talk) 17:26, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Language link not working properly
In this article, the Portuguese version (Bócio) is linked in the sidebar (as well as all the other languages). However, the Bócio page doesn't link back to the English version or any other languages, so the link only goes one way. I have no idea how to fix this, because when I click to Edit interlanguage hyperlinks, everything seems to be in order. It is possible that this problem also affects the pages of the other languages besides Portuguese, but I haven't checked. Ericobnn (talk) 15:10, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The languages are in a drop-down menu at the top right unless you enable Legacy Vector at pt:Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:45, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * you appear to be asking a question about the interlanguage links as they appear in article in the Portuguese Wikipedia. Each language Wikipedia is a separate project with separate administration. We at the English help desk cannot (usually) help you with questions about the appearance of an article on another Wikipedia. On the English Wikipedia, the "other languages" sidebar section is populated from the Wikidata item d:Q165135, which links to 70 language Wikipedias including the English article and the Portuguese article. If the Portuguese Wikipedia uses a different approach you need to take this up with them. -Arch dude (talk) 17:46, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In this case it's because Portuguese Wikipedia (French too) show the language dropdown on the top right (it's an experiment in usability for newer users who struggle to find the language selection). However, sometimes the language options are genuinely not 1 to 1, because it's manually linked. If you place  on any English wiki article, it will link to that in the language bars, but the Portuguese article will not link back to the english article. This allows for multiple Articles to link to same article in a different language and was how it was done before Wikidata existed. Happy editing! Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:37, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Publishing my first page
Hello!

I'm trying to publish my first page about my professor at my university.

I can't seem to publish it because i'm not confirmed.

Can you please review my page and help me publish it?

Thank you Draft:Suprakash Datta — Preceding unsigned comment added by AYorkStudent (talk • contribs)
 * New users cannot directly create articles, and need to use Articles for creation. I will shortly add the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft, but if you were to do so now, it would be rejected quickly, as you do not have any independent reliable sources to support its content. A Wikipedia article about a professor must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about them, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable academic. Please read Your first article. 331dot (talk) 17:40, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * There would be no point in your submitting the draft for AFC review in its current state, because you have no references to published reliable sources independent of the subject. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:42, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Page tags and editing
I have found a page that is very, very bad. Namely, Visual thinking. A lot of it could be fixed, and it is just in general bad. I am not an experienced Wikipedia editor, my writing skills are questionable at best, and I don't feel that I should be making major edits on pages. What should I do? Is there a way to tag the page as "FIX ME" or "MAYBE DELETE THIS PAGE BECAUSE ITS REALLY BAD" or something to that effect? The majority of the page seems to be [citation needed]s, disputed citations, or just absolutely terrible citations. This is marked on the page, but I'm wondering when a page gets to the point that it should be entirely deleted and how cautious I should be about making major changes.

On an unrelated note, I love Wikipedia and don't want to mess up pages by accidentally making a dumb edit but I do want to fix the problems I see. What should I do to double check that edits are good? Mrmola (talk) 19:00, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, please be cautious in this case. The article has been built up by about 90 editors since its creation in 2002. That doesn't mean it is particularly good and it is still rated "start" class by the Projects that it is of interest to. So I suggest you describe in as much detail as you can on its Talk Page Talk:Visual thinking why it is "very, very bad" and hopefully those interested will improve it. Make sure you include reliable sources to any major change you think is needed. Thanks for wanting to make improvements. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:28, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


 * To answer your last point, : as long as you edit in good faith, and explain why you're making the edit in an edit summary, the worst that should happen is that somebody disagrees with your edit and reverts it. If that happens and you don't understand why, politely ask them (either on their own talk page, or on the article's talk page, but in the latter case, ping the editor in question. If you think that your edit should stand, then open a discussion with them and see if you can reach consensus. If you think your edit might be controversial, then it's worth opening a discussion on the talk page before you make it. See BRD for how this works. One thing to bear in mind is that it is almost impossible for an ordinary editor to do any lasting damage; if an edit breaks something, it can always be undone. --ColinFine (talk) 21:26, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Will people actually see my changes and actually revert them? Or will they just go in silently. Mrmola (talk) 22:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * you have the same rights and responsibilities as those "other people". If you feel you are improving the article, then just do it. If nobody else is interested in your changes, then it does not matter: the article's readers will get the advantage of your improvements. If someone does revert your changes, then hurray! you have found someone interested enough to discuss your changes with, so do so on the article's talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 23:07, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If you feel the article is horrible, see if you can figure out where it needs to be and see if there is a way to get there incrementally. Make your proposal to do that on the article's talk page, and see if you get any responses (if no responses after a week, just start your changes). If you feel it's truly hopeless, read WP:TNT. -Arch dude (talk) 23:11, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * you can see the page history of every article, which lists every edit. Experienced users have watchlists that list all the changes on pages they are interested in. Because the history is fully recorded, you can't ever "break" an article. Nor can someone ever "silently" undo your work, and they should use edit summaries to explain what they are doing and why (although sometimes people use jargon/slang or don't give enough explanation for a beginner to understand—then you can ask them directly). As for bad quality articles, we don't delete articles just because they're bad: we improve them. Some topics shouldn't have articles (like my family cat)—we use the jargon "notability" to define what something needs to show to demonstrate that we can host an article on it. Visual thinking is definitely notable, so the article must be improved, not deleted. You can remove unsourced statements (see Verifiability), but better yet is finding sources for them (or adding other sources with more information).  Some editors use tags like More citations needed to indicate a wide number of possible problems an article could have, but I am not a fan of these, because it's like saying "SOMEONE ELSE NEEDS TO FIX THIS BUT I CAN'T BE BOTHERED". Wikipedia is a work in progress by design and 99%+ of our articles can be substantially improved. — Bilorv ( talk ) 00:45, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Connected edit request
Hi Help Desk – I uploaded some photos of my company’s crash test dummies to contribute to our article Humanetics and to Crash test dummy, and was wondering if someone might help add them, since I have a conflict of interest. Thanks. Barneyloehnis (talk) 21:16, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You can post on the talk page, per WP:COIREQ, but I can help. What are the file names? TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  21:32, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oops - sorry - and thank you! Here are the file names: Side impact ATD - WorldSID.jpg, Female Crash Test Dummy - THOR 5th.jpg, Child ATD - Q10.jpg, THOR 50th - male crash test device.jpg Barneyloehnis (talk) 22:07, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thread moved to talk page. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  22:55, 27 August 2021 (UTC)