Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 August 5

= August 5 =

&#123;{Lexikon des Mittelalters}}
Hi all, does anyone know how to get Lexikon des Mittelalters to recognize surname in the harvid? Currently it asks for an author, which breaks harv citations (see Alaholfings). - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 00:18, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Put the surname in positional parameter  as is done in the
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 01:34, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * thank you - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 12:06, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Capitalisation of "manor"?
The category Category:Manor houses in Finland includes both articles named with "manor" and articles named with "Manor". These should be made consistent, but what is the preferred style? Is it "manor" or "Manor"? J I P &#124; Talk 00:54, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This is a tricky one. "Manor" is of course not a Finnish word, but the English one being used to translate the Finnish kartano (or the swedish gård). In English the word can be part of a name, and so capitalized, or it can be a descriptive addition for an establishment whose actual name does not contain the word, in which case it arguably should not be capitalized. So for example somewhere might be called "Bogmyrtle Manor", or it might be a manor called "Bogmyrtle" (compare Broadlands or Kultaranta) and be referred to as "the manor of Bogmyrtle" or "Bogmyrtle manor". (That said, I doubt that there is much consistency in this regard in English historical usage.)
 * We need someone with Finnish expertise to say whether or not this is also the case for kartano in Finnish. If it is, then "M" or "m" should be used on a corresponding case-by-case basis, assuming the usages are known. If not, I myself would prefer to standardise on "M", but others may take a different view. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.62.68 (talk) 06:13, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Well Finnish does not use capitalisation like that. The word "kartano" is always spelled with a lowercase letter regardless of how it is used. So "a manor in Hagalund" is "kartano Hagalundissa" but "Hagalund Manor" would still be "Hagalundin kartano". The word "kartano" is only spelled with an uppercase letter if it begins a sentence or is itself a proper name, for example a surname "Kartano" instead of the word "manor". J I P  &#124; Talk 09:55, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * JIP I would suggest a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Finland, pinging the authors of articles in the category. Manor with capital M would be consistent with Category:Manor houses in England and most articles in Category:Manor houses in Sweden. TSventon (talk) 11:56, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Table column widths
In List of movie misquotes, I would like the first two columns to be the same width (and I don't understand why they're so different; do references make that much of a difference?). The table help only suggested "style=max-width:Xem", which didn't help at all. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:40, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , hey there. Try this. Adjust as needed. Hope that helps. – Novem Linguae (talk) 08:39, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:51, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

sonusinan12
Sonu Sinan 12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2021‎ 2402:3a80:19fb:2294:359d:418b:6a51:8637 (talk • contribs) 05:45, 5 August 05:45 (UTC)
 * Do you have a question? Eagleash (talk) 06:10, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Uncommon unicode characters in Google Chrome
What is the easiest way to get Google Chrome to properly display uncommon unicode characters, such as the characters in the infoboxes at Rohingya people and Sumerian language? Please ping on reply. Thanks for your help. – Novem Linguae (talk) 08:35, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I think you’ll have no choice but to install appropriate unicode fonts for every single script you want to display. GNU Unifont is good as a fallback, in my experience. The Noto Sans fonts are quite extensive (but also about 1GB alltogether). Noto Sans Hanifi Rohingya can be found here, Noto Sans Cuneiform (for Sumerian) here. Cheers ⌘  13:08, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Edit: ping Novem Linguae -- ⌘  14:09, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , sorry for the delayed response. I got some time to work on this tonight. Thanks for the info. First off, in those GitHub repositories, which folder do I drill down into? There is otf vs ttf, hinted vs unhinted, instance_ttf vs variable_ttf. Second, once I install the font, are there any extra steps needed to get it working in Chrome? I installed a test font but the tests on Help:Multilingual support are still displaying box characters for the two languages I mentioned above. Google Chrome, Windows 7. Thanks for your help. – Novem Linguae (talk) 05:46, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Novem Linguae: Both Rohingya and Cuneiform also have entries at Help:Multilingual support, with some more fonts listed. – Rummskartoffel 19:28, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Navigating the user portal - where to submit a draft article
Hi - as a newcomer to Wikipedia I've been working through the tutorials and still find the portal complicated to navigate. I think I've submitted this article for review but not sure I've done it correctly. Draft:Clive Wilson (author). Is there anyone who could help advise if the article is good enough for publication and if I've actually managed to submit it? sorry if its a really basic question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SarahMorganPrimie (talk • contribs)
 * You need to click the "Submit your draft for review!" button in the box at the top of the draft to actually submit it. I would not submit it yet, as there are large unsourced portions. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 13:29, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi all - I think I've declared I know this person and want to be sure there is no bias - is there anyone who would be interested in editing and/or adding this article? I feel its of notable interest because of the works he has written and think he has some noteworthy contribution to the field o leadership development. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SarahMorganPrimie (talk • contribs) 13:40, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see the declaration of your conflict of interest on your user page. You can use  for this.  Happy editing!   GoingBatty (talk) 14:03, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The only absolute requirement for an article is that the subject must be notable by our definition, based on references that meet some specific criteria. Until you find such references, you should not do further work on the article, since it will be rejected. Please see WP:NAUTHOR and especially WP:CSMN. Nothing else will substitute for these references: see WP:AMOUNT. -Arch dude (talk) 16:06, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Three of the five references in your draft were written by Wilson and therefore are of zero value for establishing notability. The other two are links to organizations that he is or was affiliated with. An acceptable article should summarize what reliable sources completely independent of Wilson say about him. You have furnished no such references. The draft has a promotional tone and phrases like "purposeful alignment and leadership of individuals, teams, organisations and communities" amount to non-neutral jargon unacceptable for an encyclopedia article. Please read the neutral point of view and eliminate all traces of promotionalism. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  01:27, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Deleting sidebar templates
Hello there! I have a question but also a favour in a sort of way. I would like to have these three templates, Template:Bakir Izetbegović series, Template:Zlatko Lagumdžija series and Template:Đinđić sidebar be deleted. I had made them four months ago as I thought they were needed I guess. Now that I think about it, they aren't really needed. There's almost no series of articles on them, most of the links point to just one article and are not really detailed on enough. Yes, I am basically putting "my own" templates up for deletion :D. Is there a way for them to get deleted in a short amount of time and do I need to put them up for deletion or can someone else do that? Can I even put up for deletion pages that I created? Bakir123 (talk) 15:32, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Bakir123, see Criteria for speedy deletion. You can nominate your own pages for deletion by adding which should be fairly quick. Only you can self nominate your pages TSventon (talk) 16:59, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

@TSventon I do that on my talk page, yes? Bakir123 (talk) 17:36, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No, you add the db-self template to the pages which you wish to have deleted. Your own user talk page will not be deleted. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph Oh yea... that makes sense haha. Thanks! Bakir123 (talk) 18:41, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Publishing of a translated article
Hello,

I've working on a translation of the Yan Morvan page. Here's the draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Yan_Morvan

1/ Could someone review the text if the English translation is ok ? 2/ How could I add the colomn with the picture and the main info

Thank you very much for your help

Best regards

Gilles
 * The article still needs work. Although it could be moved into mainspace already, I recommend you leave it in draft space a little longer and keep working on it. The right-hand sidebar column is called an Infobox, and we have a lot of types, all deriving from the same base. Other photographers' articles (e.g., Ansel Adams) seem to use . If your subject does not seem to fit that one, try the more generic . -Arch dude (talk) 17:30, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

@Arch dude thank you very much I will work on it. I send you a message when the article will be ready Thanks Gilles

Hello Arch dude could you review the new version and help me to publish it ?

Thanks for your help

Gilles --11:33, 6 August 2021 (UTC)Gillescar (talk)
 * I did a trivial amount of copyediting and added the template. When you submit it the editors who enjoy this work will help you: I'm not good at it. (I may have messed up and actually submitted it by mistake. Sorry.) You might also try to attract the attention of some additional bilingual editors. Sadly, I only speak English. Some of these guys are listed at Translators_available. There are places where the language is technically correct but a native English speaker would word it differently, and I am not completely sure I would get it right. -Arch dude (talk) 16:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Category intersections
Could someone remind me how to find category intersections? I want to find articles which are in both Category:Good articles and Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors. Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 23:26, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Try PetScan. Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 23:29, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Or this search which find about 670 articles.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 23:35, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. DuncanHill (talk) 23:39, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. DuncanHill (talk) 23:39, 5 August 2021 (UTC)