Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 December 14

= December 14 =

Donation
Dear "Good Folks" At Wikipedia,

First, allow me to sincerely express my gratitude for being one of the finest Web services provided. THANK YOU to eacxh volunteer that unselfishlessly donates their time to Helping make our world a better & more knowledgable/informed place to live.

Second, While I am a very low income Senior [ live in Gov't. H.U.D. Apt.], I do still try to contribute to certain causes. Wikipedia is 1 such Group. I believe that I have given Wikipedia small donations for about 3 years now. While I do not have much to give, It is important that You know we appreciate the great work you undertake.

I do, respectfully, need to point out 1 "process" that Wikipedia implements that "disturbs/upsets" me. I just, accidentally, got rolled over to Wikipedia on a matter I am researcing. The Wikipedia "overlay" writing asking for Donations said this was 4th time You have asked me.

THAT "NOTICE" MADE ME FEEL VERY "GUILTY/BAD"....... Right now, I have $18.00 in my bank account ! That's It !

Soon, I will get my only source of Income [ a monthly Social Security Check] & will try to make a donation at that time. While I do not mind your "Reminding" me that Wikipedia can use Donations, Please quit stating this is 1st, 2nd, 3rd time......you have aqsked !

Thank You & Best Wishes, Thomas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.33.228.209 (talk) 00:16, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account, go into your preferences, navigate to the Banners tab, and uncheck Fundraising. Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past. Not one of the volunteer editors here who add content to articles receives any financial benefit. We simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use. Thank you! — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:32, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Fundraising is handled by employees of the Wikimedia Foundation which runs Wikipedia. The volunteer editors are not involved. We are volunteers here at the help desk. Others have shared your concern at meta:Talk:Fundraising. The Foundation isn't running out of money and nobody should feel guilty for not donating. Thanks for doing it in the past. You can just stop if it's a burden. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:57, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thomas, please don't give them anything. You have nothing to feel guilty about. The money doesn't go to us volunteers who help build Wikipedia, it goes to the Wikimedia Foundation, who use it to pay for running the servers, hiring lawyers, and other necessary expenses. But they already have far more than they need for that. The more people give them, the more arrogant they get, and the less they do to help the volunteers who do the actual work. Maproom (talk) 08:57, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia Store Main Page Tab on Wikipedia Home Page is it missing or hidden?
Good afternoon, It seems counterintuitive not to have a link to the Wikipedia Store on the home page of Wikipedia. Instead of making a direct donations I purchased Wikipedia Merchandise as birthday or holiday gifts, when I looked this year for a link it was not visible, nor was it easily searchable. Granted, it has been about two years since my last purchase and it was frustrating that I could not see a tab on the home page but was determined to see if the store still existed. So I did discover through some digging to find the Wikipedia Store that there is the Wiki-foundation website which has a tab for the Wikipedia Store. I believe every means possible to generate working revenue is good business, Wikipedia should keep a tab on the main page for the Wikipedia Store which is no longer there. my $0.02 worth of input. V/r, jOE o — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jobrochta (talk • contribs) 00:22, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It was decided to remove the link at Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:38, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, why don't you just put a link to the store on your WP-userpage? Just a thought!
 * --> Courtesy link: WMF Store
 * 🌟--Maresa63 Talk 12:06, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybercrime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.62.246.196 (talk) 00:33, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:10, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

What is a &nbsp ; for?
Even if I remove &nbsp ; from a paragraph on Wiki, the paragraph still visually looks the same. What's the point of this?  Ak-eater06  (talk) 01:28, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It's a non-breaking space. It prevents a line feed from being inserted at that point. You will only see a difference if that point would otherwise be the end of a line. Meters (talk) 01:35, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * See Non-breaking space Meters (talk) 01:38, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It's handy if you're typing, for example, a number followed by a unit abbreviation (200 lb.) or a name followed by Jr. or III. It makes sure that the lb. or Jr. or III doesn't run onto the next line--which would look awkward.  If it's necessary to move lb. or Jr. or III to the next line, then it will move the word before it, too. Uporządnicki (talk) 01:56, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * compare:
 * {| class="wikitable"

!No non-breaking space !Non-breaking spaces in the name
 * style="width:10em" |Notably, Vincent van Gogh was a painter.
 * style="width:10em" |Notably, Vincent van Gogh was a painter.
 * }
 * If it doesn't display as intended on your screen: the first column reads "Vincent van(new line)Gogh" while in the second column the full name is shown on one line. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 01:58, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If it doesn't display as intended on your screen: the first column reads "Vincent van(new line)Gogh" while in the second column the full name is shown on one line. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 01:58, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Donations
I have  already    donated.........   How  come    then  I  keep   getting   "requests"  for  donation ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.127.144 (talk) 02:22, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account, go into your preferences, navigate to the Banners tab, and uncheck Fundraising. Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past. Not one of the volunteer editors here who add content to articles receives any financial benefit. We simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use.

We are led to believe that users who allow cookies are less likely to see these banners on repeat visits (further information is available here). Thank you! — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:50, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

WMF Contact
Hello all. I have been seeing a whole host of users pinging here and in a few other groups talking about the current donation campaign. Sometimes our response has been empathetic, sometimes objective factual, sometimes snarky. Clearly at least one of our folks should know of someone from WMF. Can they be asked to a) take this message up their chain fwiw, and / or b) answer these questions for our users and / or c) give us a clean message that can be shared as a reply even if it is a canned one? Truth be told most users do not differentiate between someone at WMF and editors in this group. tl;dr - does anyone know of a WMF contact? We need a better response to some of the users. Ktin (talk) 03:40, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * meta:Fundraising shows many people. JBrungs (Julia Brungs, Senior Community Relations Specialist) is active on the talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:52, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks.
 * -- please can you help have a look at this thread. If you are able to help us take this messaging to the right folks at WMF this would be much much apreciated. Ktin (talk) 04:08, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi everyone,
 * Thank you very much for alerting me here! I will get back to you as soon as I can with a message you can use for enquiries around donations. JBrungs (WMF) (talk) 07:56, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * On the Teahouse developed, which might be used here as well. See Wikipedia_talk:Teahouse.
 * While the template could be improved, it is entirely factual and designed to answer the technical question of how to hide the donation pop-ups. I expect that the forthcoming WMF canned message will wax lyrical about the need to support free knowledge etc. with sadviolins.mp3 playing in the background. If that is the case, I would not use it, and I would encourage others to not use it either.
 * (I am skeptical of, but not outraged by, the WMF’s ever-increasing donation goals; hopefully, you would not know it from my answers to newbies, which frankly did not come to be recruited into the political factions.) Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:47, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You can see what Shushugah's template currently yields a couple of sections below here, where it used it to respond to an IP's query. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:57, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello everyone,
 * Coming back to this we drafted a document with some messaging around the most common issues that come up. It is in a doc here. If you would like me to paste this specifically somewhere on wiki, can you please point me to where? Please share this widely and let me know if there are any questions.
 * Generally it is totally fine if you just reply to posts you see with: Please get in touch with donate at wikimedia dot org, and our donor relations team will handle things for there.
 * Thank you very much for all your help and support in dealing with these requests and comments! If you have any comments or suggestions you would like to share around the banner campaign, please also get in touch with me.
 * Best, JBrungs (WMF) (talk) 13:42, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Tagging to see if they can use the above information from  to their substitution template  . I particularly like the explicit mention of donate @ wikimedia.org as an email address for folks to follow-up at. Also like some of the information at the Google Doc. Good luck everyone and thanks for handling this. Users are really having a poor experience in seeing banners that continue to show up after they have donated. Whoever designed that box should have thought of a simple "I have already donated" or a "I will not donate" button that will persist states. C'est la vie. Lets ensure that we present the most uniform and empathetic response to anyone who posts here asking for help on this topic. Thanks folks. Ktin (talk) 15:50, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Article creation scripts
I am trying to find a category or central location for article creation scripts. Do we have that? Sikonmina (talk) 04:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what an "article creation script" is, but you may find what you are looking for at User scripts/List. Rummskartoffel 17:32, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Have you tried the Article Wizard on Help:Your first article? Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 04:31, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Is there a gadget with which I can force myself to use edit summaries? There's no way I'm gonna do it consistently otherwise. Thanks! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 09:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * In your account preferences, you can enable a prompt for an edit summary(under the editing tab). 331dot (talk) 09:08, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * coolio! some nice edit summary-inspired mild masochism. Thanks very much! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 09:09, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Frequent requests for donations
Every year, I respond to your requests with small donations. This year, I have done the same but I now seem to be inundated with further requests. It is annoying. Elliot Hirst — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:D685:3D01:91C2:DDFF:8A14:C17 (talk) 10:32, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account, go into your preferences, navigate to the Banners tab, and uncheck Fundraising. Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past. Not one of the volunteer editors here who add content to articles receives any financial benefit. We simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use. We are led to believe that users who allow cookies are less likely to see these banners on repeat visits (further information is available here). Thank you! Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:52, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Inconsistency between English and German articles
The article seafood claims that seafood includes fish. However, if we look at the German article de:Meeresfrüchte linked to it, it says that seafood excludes vertebrates. This looks like an inconsistency. How should it be handled? J I P &#124; Talk 12:03, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . So content differences between articles are frequent, with a few reasons. One is that we link the closest possible topic, but sometimes translations have nuances, so this actually could be a case where our "seafood" and their "Meeresfruchte" have slightly different connotations. More frequently, it's just because of different sources being used. This could be resolved by aggregating the sources and seeing if it gives a clearer unified answer. That would need to be done on whichever local project would need to change, on the appropriate talk page.
 * With that, I should note that projects have different sourcing rules (although I suspect us and de-wiki are probably the most in-sync on source use, of the large projects). So the acceptable sources on en-wiki might give answer A and a slightly different group of acceptable sources give answer B on de-wiki.
 * In short, check the sources on both articles, and see if they give a singular answer. Otherwise the disparity may not be resolvable, either because the disparity is actually correct, or because the sources being used can't quite be the same. Nosebagbear (talk) 12:13, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You would need to read English dictionaries and German dictionaries. If the meanings do turn out to be slightly different, this wouldn't be unusual.  Wikidata links articles which have been thought to be similar in meaning, but one severe limitation is that Wikidata can only cope with a one-to-one mapping between languages.  --David Biddulph (talk) 12:32, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, Meeresfrüchte (which is quite possibly a calque of Italian frutti di mare and/or French fruits de mer) and English seafood are indeed not fully synonymous. Cheers ❖hugarheimur 14:27, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

donation
I think people would give/donate if people felt safer with their relationship with wikipedia. Like, if the leaders/leadership/people behind the wikipedia page created a short video (like 30 seconds) asking for donations, then people would feel like their money was actually going to a real organization - not some random website online. Right now, with all the access to information online, being a personable website is everything. I would definitely give if I knew (virtually) the people who are asking for money. Just my two cents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.47.237.218 (talk) 13:59, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for this suggestion. I have passed this on to the relevant team at the Wikimedia Foundation. Best wishes, JBrungs (WMF) (talk) 14:11, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

cite book with multiple authors
Im trying to cite from a book comprised of multiple articles from many authors. Can you tell me how to do that? Thanks, Palisades1 (talk) 14:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Such works are generally edited compilations so:
 * It never hurts to provide real life examples of the source(s) that you want to cite; you'll get better answers if you do.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 14:34, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It never hurts to provide real life examples of the source(s) that you want to cite; you'll get better answers if you do.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 14:34, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much.Palisades1 (talk) 14:59, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * per cite book use  etc.  Mjroots (talk) 16:12, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If you go to Template:Cite book, you can find a useful example under "Citing a chapter in a book with different authors for different chapters and an editor". Many templates' documentation is pretty good about foreseeing and explaining specific cases of usage. Deor (talk) 20:40, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Template:User Alias
I have a question about Template:User Alias. In the rules section, it says "DO NOT copy the source on this userbox. Otherwise you risk putting your userpage in a miscategorization, and/or generating duplicate templates/userboxes." What does it mean? What happens if you do copy it? Anchoritium (talk) 14:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Not sure about the duplicate thing, but it has a noinclude (something that tells a transclusion to not include that part). If you copy the whole source including that noinclude stuff, then the noinclude stuff will show up on the page you put the userbox on--this includes the instructions as well as some categories that are just for categorizing the template and not for categorizing your userpage. - Purplewowies (talk) 15:06, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. Anchoritium (talk) 15:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Paid 4 template
I have just received a template on my talk page which says 'You may be blocked from editing without further warning if you make any further edits without responding to the inquiry you received regarding undisclosed paid editing.'. Posted by an un-logged in editor. I have not received any inquiry, unless the template itself is the inquiry. No reason has been given. I have simply responded to this template by replying that I am not being paid for editing. I'm wondering, firstly why the template has been issued at all, particularly at level 4. Secondly, has it been issued correctly or should there have been some explanation as to why it has been issued. Thirdly, have I responded in the correct place and fourthly, now that I have responded can I continue editing? Please advise. Amirah  talk  15:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Well, since that is that IP:s only WP-edit so far, it's hard to guess what, if anything, they are referring to. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:57, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * If the warning doesn't apply, you can just remove it and carry on. It appears to be some random unregistered user messing around.  -- Jayron 32 18:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Contact???
Why is it so difficult to contact you directly? Another reason why I am not interested in donating to you. In fact, the biggest reason I won't donate is because you malign, lie and discredit anything to do with alternative or integrative medicine. You are not a fair, credible site for any worthwhile information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.191.246.98 (talk) 18:11, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Who is the "you" to whom you are referring? If you can tell us which person or persons you are trying to reach, we can direct you to the correct contact information.  -- Jayron 32 18:13, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The left-hand menu bar has a "Contact us" link which goes to Contact us. Did that not help you?  --David Biddulph (talk) 18:21, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * You have contacted us directly by posting here. Wikipedia does not claim that the information here is the truth, see WP:TRUTH. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state about a topic, and presents those sources to readers so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves. If you have specific concerns about an article, and are willing to collaborate, please describe your concerns. 331dot (talk) 18:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Which of the 100,000 or so active editors are you attempting to contact? -Arch dude (talk) 01:35, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it might have been me they were after - I'm forever maligning, lying and discrediting anything to do with removing dubious content referenced to unreliable sources in articles relating to alternative or integrative medicine . Soz. Girth Summit  (blether)  15:54, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

WP:RS :Marjorie Rice?

 * Marjorie Rice
 * https://www.spokeo.com/Marjorie-Rice/California/Escondido/p40333661166


 * Marjorie Ruth Jeuck Rice
 * https://www.myheritage.com/names/marjorie_jeuck
 * https://www.ancestry.com/search/?name=Marjorie_Rice&birth=1923&types=p
 * .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 19:10, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Is there a question we can answer for you? -- Jayron 32 19:11, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * See Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources for info on Ancestry.com as a source. RudolfRed (talk) 23:54, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

economy infobox
Can someone please help me fix the economy infobox of egypt? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Egypt i think its a references or format problem. Devastatedpillar (talk) 19:20, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what happened, but it appears this was the edit that broke the infobox. If you go back to that edit, you can hopefully start fresh.  -- Jayron 32 19:59, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Your question has been answered at the Teahouse. Please only ask the question you're wanting over there or here. Not both. ― Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 20:23, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Question about "and"
Could anyone please tell me what to do if a sentence list someone's professions ends with something like "stage and film actor", i.e., should it be "and stage and film actor" or should there be no "and" before "stage"?--Thylacine24 (talk) 21:25, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Thylacine24 - Technically, yes, there should be an 'and' before "stage". But to make it read less awkwardly, you could switch the last items in the list - for instance, instead of "...doctor, philosopher, and stage and film actor.", write "...doctor, stage and film actor, and philosopher." Wikignome Wintergreen talk 21:41, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--Thylacine24 (talk) 22:09, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Translation?
Can i Translate another article from a Wikipedia from another language without being it draft? Or in English Wikipedia it should be a whole different article? And if anyone can review, then can you review draft:Penny O'Brien and if it needs more then bring it up to the discussion page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mac O'Donnell (talk • contribs) 22:31, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Short answer, yes. Long answer, WP:ACPERM and if you do this you accept any and all consequences arising from doing so.
 * Note that the English-language Wikipedia has different - usually tougher - standards for sourcing and article content than other language editions. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 22:39, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

WikEd no longer loads even though I have it enabled as a gadget
I want to use WikEd to edit source, not this new thing. T3h  1337   b0y  22:35, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @T3h 1337 b0y: I haven't used WikEd on here in a while, but would you happen to have enabled the new wikitext mode? Check to see if is unchecked. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks, it worked. T3h   1337   b0y  02:02, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of an article
How can I avoid having my wikipage deleted if the article has credible sources but is not seen "notable" enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oxnardgirl (talk • contribs) 22:42, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If something isn't notable, you can't make it notable. You need to show that the subject is notable enough to pass WP:GNG. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:48, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Do something fantabulous and/or splendiforous asap. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:20, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:AMOUNT. -Arch dude (talk) 01:27, 15 December 2021 (UTC)