Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 December 15

= December 15 =

Structuring the reference section and inline citations
I'm working on the reference sections of the pages about the Olympic seasons and career achievements of figure skater Yuzuru Hanyu.

Currently, the reference lists are quite long with many repetitions. For example, there are about 50 different citations from the statistics and result pages of the International Skating Union that I would like to compile in an own sub-section and separate from newspaper articles or other sources. But I don't know how that can be realized in or ouside a "reflist"-template. Is there a smart solution to structure reference lists by source type? I'm sure, that would help readers with the orientation in the reference section too.

Also, two months ago there was a full career summary published on the Japanese website nonno.hpplus.jp that made the use of many prior sources redundant. The page has individual navigation anchors to all seasons. Is it possible to cite this source like a book with the season anchors used as inline citations and the full page listed below as a general source? That would make the reference sections a lot shorter and easier to edit.

Thank you very much in advance Henni147 (talk) 10:32, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * For your first question, footnote citations can be separated into defined groups using  for the citations and   for the reflist template. The superscript footnote numbers will be prepended by the defined group name. See Help:Footnotes for details. As for the second, I don't know of a specific citation template that will help achieve that, but it could always be done manually. I imagine individual citations would include a short title linked to the full bibliographic item lower on the page as well as a direct external link to the section anchor on the source webpage. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:24, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the quick reply! I will try out both suggestions. Best wishes Henni147 (talk) 20:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Understanding the Wikipedia
Can you please answer me A 5 question i put in Draft:Penny O'Brien Talk page? because i really don't find an answer for them, thank you

Mac O&#39;Donnell (talk)Mac O'DonnellMac O&#39;Donnell (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 10:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The questions you posted at Draft talk:Penny O'Brien have now been answered there. -- Hoary (talk) 12:57, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

How can I customize Wikipedia user page with an external CSS?
How can I customize Wikipedia user page with an external CSS (I want to make a Wiki page or file to write CSS separately and link it to my user page to customize my user page, I'm not talking about inline CSS in the User page)? Also can I link that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by T. Galib (talk • contribs) 14:43, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * See WP:CSS. I for example edited my own User:Shushugah/common.css. External css loading from a third party library is disabled, but you can copy css to your local file at User:T._Galib/common.css ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:49, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @T. Galib forgot to ping you ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:50, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Also can you please tell me how to link the css with the user page or will it be automatically linked? I will really appreciate. By the way, your user page looks really organized. Best regards --T. Galib (talk) 17:37, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I have finally been able to customize my user page with my custom css. I've been working for this since the last night. Thanks a lot. Best regards.--T. Galib (talk) 17:46, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Is there an article somewhere on !@#$%?
I haven't been able to find a Wikipedia article covering the practice of using typographical symbols like !@#$% or other pictographs to represent swearing, especially in cartoons, though it's quite impossible to search for. Grawlix redirects to a one-line list entry in The Lexicon of Comicana, and the caption of the lead image in Profanity mentions them, but the lack of a dedicated article or at least more extensive discussion seems a rather strange omission, considering the subject range that Wikipedia tends to have covered. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:14, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Paul 012, there's a little more at . A quick googling didn't give me any WP:GNG-good sources. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:37, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, actually, could get you started. Get to work! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:41, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it may have something to do with the article's title being rendered into the article's URL. Typing the emoticon  into the search box results in a redirect in the article on parenthesis. The hatnote on there notes about the naming restrictions.
 * See also Naming conventions (technical restrictions), more specifically the part explaining clashes with markup and HTML. Explodicator7331 (talk) 16:56, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Then there is the almost insoluble problem of the mis-spelling of !@#$%? as !@$#%?. Even if Merriam-Webster standardises the orthography of Grawlix, the OED will respond with pages of literary counter-examples.--Verbarson (talk) 18:30, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Well of course if a new article were to be created it should be titled, if not grawlix, swear symbols or some descriptive term. --Paul_012 (talk) 19:25, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll !@$#%? drink to that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:51, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * A stand alone article - well sourced - might work. Another possibility is to add another subsection to Speech balloon, especially if the info you find will only sustain a paragraph or two. That would also avoid the naming problems you mention for a full article. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:19, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Try The Lexicon of Comicana, which their actual term redirects to. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 21:15, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

How can you change the title of an article?
Recently, I updated the page of TVH, the company I work for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermote_%26_Vanhalst

The name of the company is no longer Thermote & Vanhalst, but TVH, and I was wondering how I can change the title from Thermote & Vanhalst into TVH. Is that possible, please? If yes, how can I do that?

Thanks, Charlotte (TVH) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.119.72.236 (talk) 15:26, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello Charlotte, you should WP:REGISTER an account with for example Charlotte (TVH) . The name of the article is the least of your concerns now. Currently it has 0 citation and likely violates copyright of your company's material and could be deleted if not rectified. Please declare WP:PAID status as an employee, and add reliable sources to the talk page Talk:Thermote & Vanhalst. Anything else will be swiftly reverted. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:45, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * (Edit conflict) You are currently not signed in, but I assume you're referring to edits made under the account User:Parts specialist TVH. As an employee of the company, you have a conflict of interest with the subject, and should not edit the company's Wikipedia page directly; suggestions should be made on the article talk page. Please follow the guidance at Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. You must also comply with the requirements stated at Paid-contribution disclosure.
 * If you decide to join Wikipedia in your personal capacity, and find the need to rename other articles in the future, once your account is old enough, you will be able to do so via the "Move" menu at the top of the page. Further details are at Moving a page. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:47, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Adding a text
How can I add my definition of conflict — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.112.150.151 (talk) 16:29, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Please don't, unless [your] definition is supported by reliable sources. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Create new account
Please help me to create new account — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4055:2E00:7A8F:444E:87F0:1668:9DD0 (talk) 16:50, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You can find more information at CREATEANACCOUNT. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:53, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * "Create new account" suggests you have an old account. What happened with that account? 331dot (talk) 16:55, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Films, movie contribute
I want to add film / short film to Wikipedia, may I know the steps and process for it — Preceding unsigned comment added by AhmdAsjad (talk • contribs) 17:07, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi there! Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially if you've never edited Wikipedia before.  To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure.  I suggest then spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills.  Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the subject, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability".  If so, you could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 17:25, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . To add to what GoingBatty has said: if you personally have any connection with this film, you also need to read about conflict of interest and in any case you need to remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 18:05, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Accuracy of checkuser
Hello! So in my time on Wikipedia, I've seen user's blocked because checkuser evidence revealed them as a sock or that they were editing unconstructively while logged out. This has made me wonder, how accurate is checkuser? I'm not trying to say that these blocks are wrong. I'm just curious what the chance of a checkuser providing inaccurate results is. I would assume they aren't all that high or else I probably would've heard people complaining about the poor accuracy of checkuser. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:12, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * CU is accurate--in what it delivers. The question always is what the value is of the data produced by CU, and how they should be interpreted. Sometimes it's crystal clear, sometimes not so, and behavioral evidence is taken into account. Drmies (talk) 18:58, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah ok. So in other words, CU provides the information and it's up to the CU clerk to interpret the information correctly. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:00, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, "CU" is both the process and the person. The process delivers data that really one can't argue with--user agent, IP address. The person doing the check can then decide on various things, one of which is to deliver a conclusion (confirmed, likely, possibly likely, etc.) that others can act on. If I'm checking some vandal and find a bunch of vandal accounts, I don't go through a clerk or whatever--a simple CU block is the answer. But it's not always that easy, and so other admins, other checkusers, clerks, etc. can discuss what to do on a given SPI. There really is a wide range of options based on the results. I just found that a returning vandal is based in a certain area in Finland, but geolocate is often unreliable, and user agent data aren't always helpful (one can be on a different computer, cell phone, etc. when they're in a slightly different location). So I could not say with 100% certainty that they were the same person. A bit later I did find what I'd call a match, given similarity in technical data but the clincher was behavioral. But that gave me two throwaway accounts used for vandalism, so there's not much I can do with that. I didn't start an SPI cause there really is no point, so no clerks were involved. There really are many different outcomes. But a CU block is never placed lightly, though you as an editor will usually not be privy to the evidence. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:11, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

My user NEDRF edit does not look like it was ?approved? History of Comedy adding a reference to the oldest stand up comedian..
Anyway to help me figure out why?? is it being reviewed?

Thanks

Ned Falk — Preceding unsigned comment added by NedRF (talk • contribs) 18:55, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * As noted, there was no reliable source verifying this information. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 18:56, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Church of Our Lady of Lourdes Klang
Reference number 2 in the above article/page is all incorrect - please fix. and I am sorry. In appreciation 2001:8000:148C:D000:EDCE:1739:251A:119C (talk) 23:29, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You need to add a title, as explained at Help:CS1_errors RudolfRed (talk) 23:44, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The title is 'Landmarks of Selangor' and it is already in there but it is all wrong saying missing title. I am confused. Thankyou, but please fix.2001:8000:148C:D000:EDCE:1739:251A:119C (talk) 23:49, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If you add  to the citation, does the error go away? RudolfRed (talk) 00:01, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I tried that; it worked. You're welcome. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:20, 16 December 2021 (UTC)