Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 December 17

= December 17 =

Bridget Hanley Death reported
I find no information in the news to suggest this woman has died. Where did your information come from? Is it true that any fool can get on here & edit or post articles? This has previously been a trusted source that it seems cannot be trusted for any reason. The word must be spread before you ruin lives! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:1900:4C80:2167:BF44:56C9:B1E6 (talk) 00:24, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * RudolfRed (talk) 00:27, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I have reverted Bridget Hanley to an earlier version. Yes, any fool can get on here and edit most articles. (some high-profile articles are protected) Creating (or "posting") articles has a slightly higher bar though. There must be an essay about this somewhere which I cannot find right now, but you are right: don't blindly trust something because Wikipedia says so. That's why we require reliable sources for any statement that may be questioned. Wikipedia is not a source, we (ideally) only parrot (though in our own words) reliable sources. You may also be interested in List of citogenesis incidents which shows what happens when reliable sources get lazy and parrot Wikipedia. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 00:42, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Not an essay: WP:General disclaimer. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 04:54, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * This seems to be hitting the news now 192.76.8.80 (talk) 12:23, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I see, but it provides very little background information. Let's wait for a few other sources to pick up the story or at least for Edmonds Beacon to not retract it within 24 hours. We can't rule out citogenesis yet, I know how news queues work. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 13:07, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Just found the source: Facebook. That's where the anons came from that edited our article. Also mentions the Alzheimer's, so it's safe to assume that's the source for Edmonds Beacon as well. Definitely need to wait. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 13:18, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Article moved to draftspace
I created an article on Wilhelm Siegling. My references included his detailed bibliography, and his obituary in Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenländischen Gesellschaft. ZDMG is a well respected peer-reviewed journal. Another user, seemingly unilaterally, recently moved the article into draftspace and sent me a message saying the article needs  "more citations from reliable, independent sources", and saying that after I've edited it I can submit it for review. Now, I consider that the references are fit for purpose, but I suppose it's a moot point and others may have a different view. My question is about the procedure. Isn't there normally a review process before an article is removed? Would it not be more regular to apply a flag saying that further citations are needed? Ordinary Person (talk)
 * , the article was moved to Draft:Wilhelm Siegling. This is a common procedure for new articles when a reviewer thinks they are probably notable but need more work. If the reviewer thought the subject was not notable, they probably would have nominated it for deletion. The current article has only one ref used in one footnote. The obituary you mentioned was only listed as an external link. It's best to have at least one footnote for every section and paragraph. I suggest you add more footnotes and submit it for an AFC review. More sources would also help, but the two may be sufficient (I haven't looked at either). MB 03:12, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Planning to make an article about Return YouTube Dislike
I'm planning to make an article about Return YouTube Dislike. Is it notable enough/have sustained coverage/covered wide enough, etc, etc? Need some input. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:39, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Jeromi Mikhael People will find this a lot easier to answer if you provide the sources you're planning to use to create the article. -- asilvering (talk) 05:58, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry about that. Here they are:

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeromi Mikhael (talk • contribs)
 * 1) https://sea.pcmag.com/video-streaming-services/47654/browser-extension-brings-back-dislike-count-to-youtube-videos
 * 2) https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/698827-return-youtube-dislike-extension-brings-back-removed-counts
 * 3) https://screenrant.com/bring-back-youtube-dislike-button-how/
 * 4) https://www.newsweek.com/return-youtube-dislike-browser-extension-google-chrome-firefox-1654339
 * 5) https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/gadgets-news/heres-how-you-can-bring-back-dislikes-count-to-youtube-videos/articleshow/88030818.cms


 * , it might have trouble, because "Return YouTube Dislike" sounds like a slogan (or, syntactically, an imperative). Yes, it is in fact the name of a product, but just two weeks ago, "Here's how you can bring back dislikes count to Youtube videos" described it as "an early alpha version". Why the rush? (Wikipedia isn't a newspaper.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:41, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I can't see why we'd need to split it from YouTube. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:11, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Annual Donations?
Hello! Thank you to all the volunteers for the WONDERFUL work you do. Wikipedia is a beacon of hope.

A few days ago I made a small donation of $100. During the process it asked me whether I would consider monthly donations of $25. I find monthly donations somewhat tedious administratively. But I would be happy to donate a fixed amount annually. I do this with most organizations I am motivated to support.

Annual donations didn't seem to be an option as far as I could see. Of course, I can set up an automatic annual transaction through my admin systems. But I wonder if there are other people who may have the same preference for an annual donation option.

Two questions:

1. Is there an annual donation option I am missing?

2. Would annual donations potentially be something worth implementing to bridge the gap between sporadic donations and monthly donations?

FloweringHedge (talk) 05:52, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * FloweringHedge, this question may be better directed to, as the volunteers here on the help desk aren't involved with fundraising. Rummskartoffel  15:33, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I do believe a regularly occuring donation can be set up, though you should use the email address suggested to ask for certain. 331dot (talk) 15:35, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

— Ahh. Perfect. I'll reach out there. Thank you. :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by FloweringHedge (talk • contribs) 18:18, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

need to publish draft article please help
need to publish draft article please help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:NK_Dairy_Equipments:_Milk_Processing_Van — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunny singhs (talk • contribs) 09:52, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Your draft was blatant promotion and is now deleted. You should use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft, but promotional content is not accepted. A Wikipedia article about a company summarizes what independent relaible sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. You seem to have a conflict of interest and possibly be a paid editor; Please review your user talk page for important information. 331dot (talk) 10:05, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia regional notice boards
Edits to Australian Wikipedians' notice board don't register on my Watchlist and I don't know why. Doug butler (talk) 12:48, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The edit history indicates that you last edited that page on December 7. Have you attempted to edit it subsequently? 331dot (talk) 12:54, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I misunderstood. I watchlisted it and it appears in my watchlist, under Dec. 16; try limiting the display of your watchlist to the Wikipedia namespace only. 331dot (talk) 12:57, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the prompt reply, but I don't understand. I don't have the Wikipedia namespace box ticked as excluded, and I do get notices of edits on other WP namespace pages including this one. Doug butler (talk) 13:27, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * How many pages do you have in your watchlist total, and how many edits do you have your watchlist set to display? If the number set to display is too low(say, 100) and you have 100 edits subsequent to the notice board's edit, it won't appear in your watchlist since it was superseded by edits to other pages. If you limit your watchlist to just the Wikipedia namespace(not permanently) it is more likely you will see the edit to that page. 331dot (talk) 13:31, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * 11,000 not counting talk pages; display set to 250 edits and 3 days, which to me is a lot, but that makes sense : I reject bot actions but sometimes that quota gets filled with one user doing non-controversial repetitive maintenance tasks. Best I bookmark the page. Thanks for your interest. Doug butler (talk) 00:33, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Link rot template
While editing on a mobile phone, I tried to put LR at Template:Automotive industry in Brazil, but it crashes my browser. Is there a forum to which I can post to get that done? Please ping me when you respond. --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:03, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't have an answer for the browser crash but for the template, navboxen don't need references; that is the duty of the linked articles. Looks to me like link spam so deleting all of those references seems the proper thing to do.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:25, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 *  Reply -, "Please ping me when you respond".  And again, if editing something that large is crashing my browser, is there a forum to which I can post to get that done? --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:47, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I did say that I don't have an answer for the browser crash. Perhaps WP:VPT?  The raw template wikitext is 25,955 bytes; not all that big; cf. Barack Obama at 347,984 bytes.  Does your browser crash when you try to edit that?
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 15:05, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I have placed the references inside  to only display them on the template page. The template needs a big cleanup with removal of lots of entries but I'm not doing that. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to spend some time cleaning it up. Just tell me what needs to be removed and I can do it. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:57, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, if the refs aren't supposed to be there then I'm willing to remove them. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:59, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Spending time examining what to remove is why I'm not doing it... The refs may help editors doing cleanup and do no harm on the template page so I would just leave them. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Alright. Would removing all the red links be a good start? ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:03, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Well.. actually I'm probably just gonna ask someone at VPT to see if they know why the user's browser crashes when trying to edit the template before I remove the entries. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 19:04, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Red links and unlinked entries should probably be removed but ideally it should be checked there is no article under any name. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:28, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

at the very least, the references aren't needed. Those can be culled. I suspect a cull of the redlinked items would be fine for now, with the proviso that if other articles exist, they can be added. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:10, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 *  Reply -"Please ping me when you respond". It and Obama crash my browser, because I am on a mobile phone. --Jax 0677 (talk) 12:36, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Donations
Hi I donated $25 twice now and you still send requests for donations. What’s up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:5FC0:27A0:2D0A:D06C:FDD1:C6D6 (talk) 13:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not know that the person sitting at the computer at any given moment has donated or seen a donation request. You should only donate as much as you wish to; a donation is just that- a donation, and not required or expected. If you use the same IP address all the time, allowing cookies should prevent the future display of donation requests. If you create an account, you can turn off the donation requests in your account preferences. 331dot (talk) 13:48, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account and uncheck . The Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past. None of the Wikipedia volunteer editors here who add and improve content in articles receive any financial benefit. We all simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use. If you cannot afford it, no one wants you to donate. Wikipedia is not at risk of shutting down, and the Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts the Wikipedia platform and is asking for these donations, is richer than ever. We are led to believe that users who allow cookies are less likely to see these banners on repeat visits (further information is available here), and you are welcome to communicate directly with the donor-relations team by emailing  .  Thank you! --Andreas  JN 466 15:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * This reply should just be made into a template for the inevitable flood of such threads every time the banners come back. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:16, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It is a template. See WikiDonation RudolfRed (talk) 19:29, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Donations to Wikipedia
Please advise;

In response to a request for a donation from Wikipedia I bunged you £10 a few weeks ago.

In the last few days I have received 7 further requests for a donation. The last couple of days it's been pretty much every time I open up a page on the site.

I know this badgering is not Wikipedia's normal practice, so how can I stop it from continuing?

Thanks, Al Goffen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.90.194 (talk) 19:09, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account and uncheck . The Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past. None of the Wikipedia volunteer editors here who add and improve content in articles receive any financial benefit. We all simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use. If you cannot afford it, no one wants you to donate. Wikipedia is not at risk of shutting down, and the Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts the Wikipedia platform and is asking for these donations, is richer than ever. We are led to believe that users who allow cookies are less likely to see these banners on repeat visits (further information is available here), and you are welcome to communicate directly with the donor-relations team by emailing  .  Thank you! ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 19:12, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * (ec) Wikipedia has no way to know that the person sitting at the computer at any given moment has seen a donation requests or donated. If you create an account, you can turn the requests off in the account preferences. 331dot (talk) 19:14, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Modern Skin won't show up???
So, I'm on Wikipedia. I accidentally logged out, and I want to change the skin back to Modern. However, Modern is nowhere to be found. Is it really gone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewikipedian7534 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It's deprecated, not maintaned and will probably be removed completely at some time. For now it can still be chosen at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences?useskin=modern#mw-prefsection-rendering. If you use it and report any interface problems then always say you have Modern. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:32, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Requesting semi-protection for a page
Hello,

I am wondering what the process is for requesting semi-protection for a page, Carleton University, would look like.

There are a number of anonymous IP users who are editing the page to voice their frustration with the institution's decision to move classes online for the Winter semester.

It is getting frustrating as someone that has put in a lot of effort for that article.

Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chamott50 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You can request it at WP:RFPP RudolfRed (talk) 20:09, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

2022 NFL season
When will we see a 2022 NFL season article change from draft to main article space. 98.186.54.177 (talk) 19:58, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Draft:2022_NFL_season is not yet submitted for review. You can add  to the draft to add it to the list for review.  There is a backlog so it may take some time before the review happens.  RudolfRed (talk) 20:10, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * If you submit it, it will come (into mainspace). I'll accept it myself. It's not exactly a Hail Mary; the only way it wouldn't come to pass is if the world ended before then. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:16, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Short delay of game: the existing redirect has to be deleted first. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:40, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * (Five-Kb penalty, repeat second down!) —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 00:44, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Question re. a return to editing
For many years, I was a prolific editor, contributor and even an admin before I left the project. I'm going to be doing contract work with a new company starting within days. Here's my dilemma. The gentleman with whom I'll be working is the new owner of two area radio stations, at least one of which has an article and it's riddled with inaccuracies. Knowing the rules here as well as I do, I don't want to edit the article anonymously and accidently come off as promotional nor do I want to have a new account flagged and blocked as promotional. Would it be acceptable to you for me to create an account, alert you here when I do and edit the articles in accordance with the MOS and general rules? Thanks and I'll await your answer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8000:8501:59B3:7C58:EB50:46B3:E2AE (talk) 21:50, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

2603:8000:8501:59B3:7C58:EB50:46B3:E2AE (talk) 21:51, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You should make edit requests. Whether you create an account or not is up to you.(I assume you can't or don't wish to use your original account, which is fine) 331dot (talk) 21:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

I had two accounts, both in good stead and marked as "retired." I'd like to start fresh. I think what I'll wind up doing is what I'd suggested, e.g., create a new account and post the link here. Everything I plan to do - which won't be an awful lot - will be strictly in accordance with the guidelines. Once I come up with a new username, I'll post the link here. Thanks for the suggestion and have a great weekend. 2603:8000:8501:59B3:2DAC:11AE:D11C:F861 (talk) 00:14, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * See Paid-contribution disclosure. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:09, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Interested in working for Wikipedia
What career opportunities are available with Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.58.88.74 (talk) 22:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * None; every editor on here is a volunteer for the project. There are a few people who work for the Wikimedia Foundation, but that doesn't confer any particular authority. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:58, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * In fact, paid Wikipedia staff do not edit Wikipedia in that capacity outside of very specific and incredibly uncommon circumstances. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 23:01, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, you can start working here right now. There's literally millions of articles that could use some help. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:15, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * What so are you saying paid Wikipedia staff are straight up not allowed to edit Wikipedia? ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 01:36, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * No, "paid Wikipedia staff do not edit Wikipedia in that capacity" means they don't use their staff account which has a username ending with "(WMF)". They can edit with a volunteer account like other volunteers. I assume they aren't supposed to use workhours. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:16, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * PrimeHunter has it right in one; I know of a few (both present and former) staff members who also have personal non-work accounts and edit as normal editors on their non-(WMF) account. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 23:46, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * See slavery: lots of toil for no compensation. [Admin cracks whip. "Back to work, dog!"] Clarityfiend (talk) 23:18, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * according to Wikimedia Foundation, it "employs over 550 staff and contractors". Its employment web site is https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/jobs/. --Gronk Oz (talk) 01:24, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Per what they said, and also clear: Wikipedia allows anyone (the Wikipedians) to edit articles and talk about improving them that aren't necessarily semi-protected or more so due to persistent vandalism and/or profile. Like me, you may remain anonymous or create a account that you can use across all other Wikis managed by WMF. -47.196.35.44 (talk) 02:35, 19 December 2021 (UTC)