Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 December 23

= December 23 =

Deportivo Cali recent history
Dear great people of wikipedia, today Deportivo Cali, soccer club from colombia, won its tenth star(championship). While the teams page does list them as current champs, there is no mention of the feat in the written "recent history-a new era" section. Just wrtting this as a heads up so you guys can pass it on to who ever makes those corrections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.62.53.64 (talk) 06:59, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and thank you for the kind comments on your post. Please know that the great people of Wikipedia who make the corrections you mention are people exactly like you.  Wikipedia is an open platform that allows anyone to edit.  Since you posted here, you certainly have enough knowledge to edit further.  So, I encourage you to consider increasing your presence on Wikipedia and make the corrections that you see are necessary.  You can read about sources for your edit |HERE.  And volunteers at the WP:Teahouse are always ready to help new editors who require assistance.  Most kind regards, Hu Nhu (talk) 16:55, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

AFD/Speedy delete
Hi there! I wish to tag an article for WP:SPEEDY. appears to be blatant advertising. This article appears to have been created solely for the purpose of promoting the band. The article lists a member of the band as Richard Bowers and I notice the article's creator is Richbo82 who has only ever created this particular article and no other edits made. I think this backs up my view that the page is exclusively promotional. It would need to be fundamentally rewritten to serve as an encyclopaedic rather than an advertisement. I would like an experienced user to please tell me if this meets WP:G11 in their view? Or should I instead WP:PRD/ WP:AFD instead, on the basis of not satisfying WP:NMG (which this article does not, and I would expand further on the reasons why if advised to nominate, but essentially the band is not subject to multiple, non-trivial sources) per WP:BAND. Just seeking the advice of an experienced user, I once tagged something incorrectly as Speedy and do not want to make the same mistake twice. Thanks, Such-change47 (talk) 07:44, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That's not a G11. You think it was created by an editor with a COI, but that editor has not touched the article since creating it in 2007, and the mere existence of a (possible) COI is not relevant in determining if an article is promotional. It does not matter why the article was created, what matters is whether the current content is exclusively promotional, and it isn't. Meters (talk) 08:02, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There's not much there, and what little there is appears to be old and poorly sourced. I don't know if Low Transit Industries qualifies a a major indie label. If not the band would probably fail WP:BAND. Meters (talk) 08:12, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree it's not blatant promotion; an AFD would be required. 331dot (talk) 08:23, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help everyone. Will nom for AFD. Such-change47 (talk) 08:39, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Can I create multiple sandboxes?
I’d like to create multiple sandboxes as I like my work to be separate from each other. Is it possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orton Santo Banto (talk • contribs) 10:23, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * absolutely! Just go to User:Orton Santo Banto/Sandbox 2 (or User:Orton Santo Banto/Sandbox on hamsters etc) and create the page. Nosebagbear (talk) 10:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you!Orton Santo Banto (talk) 10:31, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Discography guidelines
Hey friends, what is the main criteria for having a separate article for artist's discography, for example, like this one? Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 13:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Just a nitpicky point, but since you ask what IS the main criteria, there's no such thing as a criteria. There IS a criterion, or there ARE criteria. Uporządnicki (talk) 15:15, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I hereby walk back the snide tone of my remark. It's quite clear that your English is far, far better than my Armenian or Russian.  In fact, I'll confess that your English is far better than my knowledge of any of the three non-English languages that I have allegedly studied. Uporządnicki (talk) 15:20, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this correction. Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 17:30, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a great question for the folks at WikiProject Discographies. Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 17:22, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help! Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 17:23, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Deleted contributions
Is there a way to see deleted contributions of an IP range?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:42, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Not through the on-wiki interface, it looks like. Special:DeletedContributions prompts for "Username, IP address or CIDR range", but returns no results if you try one: compare Special:DeletedContributions/75.17.116.158, Special:DeletedContributions/75.17.116.162, Special:DeletedContributions/75.17.116.0/24.  (It's probably a bug that it uses the same prompt, Mediawiki:sp-contributions-username, that Special:Contributions does.)You can come close with sql queries like this, and probably through the API.  That'll let you see which IPs have deleted edits, and what pages they're to; it won't show you the edit summaries, won't give you links to the content, and will omit all edits that have any part revdeleted or oversighted. —Cryptic 14:56, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Any chance the issue can be reported as a bug?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:39, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There is an open task about it already: T183457. Rummskartoffel 12:55, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Changing Primary page name
Hello. I noticed the wikipedia page on me has my previous name (when I was married) - is there a way for me to have my original name listed as the primary page name and then just do a aka on the page with my previous name when I was married or would I need to create an entirely new page?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TavinNM (talk • contribs) 14:45, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * 1. Who are you?
 * 2. Articles go by the name by which the person is generally known in this language. So if you became notable while called Jane Novotny, and are now Jane Novotny-Kwembe, but most people still call you Jane Novotny when writing about you, then that will remain the title of the article. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  14:56, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Shady company has set up a bunch of blogs talking about how awesome it is. Then they use those links to add a "Review" section on their wikipedia page.
There is a large well know company has a poor product. I don't want to name name's but their product claims to help a marginalized group of people, but these claims are questionable. Anyway, their Wikipedia page has a section that talks about how awesome it is and how its won all kind of awards. Experts in the industry seem to universally hate them so I was curious about these awards. I was looking into the citations and it seems they have set up a bunch of fake websites packed full of SEO terms and positive reviews.

How do I deal with this while staying within the Wikipedia rules and guidelines? Surely they have some way of dealing with this sort of thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D08:F17E:500:1016:A325:E4E4:25F0 (talk) 15:26, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * It's hard to say without knowing which article you are referring to. There are multiple Wikipedia policies and guidelines which should be able to deal with this (WP:RS, WP:NPOV, and quite likely WP:COI too, for a start), but an unregistered contributor trying to fix it all on their own may find it difficult. The best thing would be to start by 'naming names', so more experienced people can take a look - we have to deal with this sort of issue all the time. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:44, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Looks like the article is AccessiBe. DuncanHill (talk) 15:50, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There's a lot of to-and-froing in the history, but I've given User:גילדמן a COI notice relating to it. Will notify them about this discussion. DuncanHill (talk) 15:53, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I have trimmed some of the marketing speech. But we still have an issue with a rather undue Controversy section. – NJD-DE (talk) 15:54, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and removed some of the opinions in that section where no secondary sources existed to establish their credibility. However real world is calling, so someone else needs to takeover to continue this/finish it. – NJD-DE (talk) 16:13, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for looking into this. I have been trying very hard to make sure the article is fair and unbias but I don't really understand Wikipedia well enough. I would like to work with you to make sure the article is technically accurate. There is some very minor technical phrasing that should be adjusted. In particular, the term "accessibility overlay" is the niche they occupy in the accessibility industry. Accessibility experts universally agree that overlays are not a feasible solution to accessibility issue. Often they can actually create more barriers to entry for people with disabilities. The National Federation of the Blind held a convention this year were they passed resolutions condemning both [accessibility overlays](https://nfb.org/resources/speeches-and-reports/resolutions/2021-resolutions#04) and [Accessibe in particular](https://nfb.org/resources/speeches-and-reports/resolutions/2021-resolutions#17). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D08:F17E:500:1016:A325:E4E4:25F0 (talk) 17:56, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * IP user: thanks for pointing out the problems and helping and others address them. You should now move any further comments and sources to the Talk Page at Talk:AccessiBe so the information is in a more accessible place for those working to improve the article. This Help Desk page will go into an archive and be quite difficult to find later. Please make sure you sign your input there with four keyboard tilde (~ characters) so others will know who you are (the Helpdesk gets signed automatically if you forget but other Talk Pages don't).  Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:16, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Difference between Template:Main and Template:Further?
Difference between "main article" and "further information"?  Ak-eater06  (talk) 22:41, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi there! The documentation at Template:Main describes the difference.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 22:59, 23 December 2021 (UTC)