Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 February 21

= February 21 =

Editing a page that is currently protected so that only extended confirmed users and administrators can edit it
Hello Help Desk,

I would like to update this page as it is out of date - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Peace

However, I am unable to as it has been protected and there is a reference to 'extended confirmed access'

In the History Page it says:

21:08, 29 May 2018‎ Renamed user mou89p43twvqcvm8ut9w3 talk contribs‎ m 6,918 bytes 0‎  Protected "Children of Peace": Arbitration enforcement; WP:ARBPIA3#500/30 ([Edit=Require extended confirmed access] (indefinite) [Move=Require extended confirmed access] (indefinite))

The user mou89p43twvqcvm8ut9w3 doesn't seem to exist and I don't know who to go to in order to get this changed.

Many thanks, Clare Bolt (Iamclarebolt) --Iamclarebolt (talk) 23:28, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * As it explains at WP:ECP, "Users can request edits to an extended confirmed-protected page by proposing them on its talk page, using the Edit extended-protected template if necessary to gain attention." David Biddulph (talk) 23:32, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Confucius archiving unsigned/dated comments
I recently set up automatic archiving on Talk:Confucius; quite a few comments have not been archived due to missing signatures. I'm not thrilled about having to search through many years of the edit history to find who these people were to fill out the parameters in a template like Unsigned—is there an easier way to do this? Best - Aza24 (talk) 00:53, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm working on adding Unsigned for you. I find User:Anomie/unsignedhelper to be helpful, but not perfect, so I confirm its suggestions with the page history to confirm before saving. When that doesn't work, I try WikiBlame instead.  GoingBatty (talk) 03:48, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You could also consider using User:Technical 13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver. GoingBatty (talk) 04:01, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, I wasn't aware of these tools. Another thanks for cleaning up the page yourself! Aza24 (talk) 04:12, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Procedure for Asking About Provenance of a Photograph in an Article
I have a question about a photograph of an actor that is included in an article. (Well, it is included in two versions of the article, one in draft space and one in article space, but that is a detail.) The picture is in Commons and is labeled as Own Work by the uploader, who is the same as the author of the article. The picture is a casual pose that appears to have been taken under friendly circumstances. There isn't any problem as far as the picture being in Commons. The problem is that there may be a conflict of interest, which is a matter of English Wikipedia policies, not of Commons policies. What is the procedure for asking a question about how the author came to take the picture and upload it? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:23, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Post a message on their talk page asking if they have a conflict, and if they do that they need to comply with WP:COI. If that fails, then I think the next step is WP:COIN.  As usual, it would help if you would say what article or photos you are concerned with.  Otherwise, only general advice can be given, instead of advice that might apply to the particular situation you are concerned about.  RudolfRed (talk) 02:03, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I left out the name of the article on purpose because I wanted general advice. The photo is the photo at Praveen Tej and Draft:Praveen Tej.  There is nothing wrong with the photo, and nothing wrong with its use, except that we have neutral point of view and conflict of interest guidelines, and neutral point of view is the second pillar of Wikipedia.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:12, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Sometimes the conflict of interest noticeboard works well at dealing with conflict of interest, and sometimes it doesn't. This month it doesn't.  I tried to use it recently and the result was a personal attack.  Sometimes it works well; sometimes it doesn't work so well.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:12, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:13, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that we usually consider a picture to be self-documenting and not subject to bias, so the COI issue here is not about the picture, unless you think the person in the picture is not the one claimed by the uploader. However, there is a COI issue about the article itself. Basically, you feel that the nature of the picture raises a possibility that the editor knows the subject. You should ask the editor if there is a COI and ask the editor to declare the COI. -Arch dude (talk) 02:39, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, User:Arch dude, for explaining what I was trying to say. My issue isn't about the picture itself but about the presence of the picture in the article.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:58, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Adding it to the article doesn't bother me, but I'm just one editor. What bothers me is that you said the same editor was the (main?) author of the article. -Arch dude (talk) 03:02, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Right. It would be different if the article already existed and the subject's friend added the photo.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:14, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

incorrectly deleted
My Wiki page was incorrectly deleted, everything on my Wiki can be verified if your writers would just take the time (about 5 minutes) to do the research.

Who can help me get it back up?

- Byron Nemeth — Preceding unsigned comment added by Byron Nemeth (talk • contribs) 01:24, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The deletion discussion is at Articles for deletion/Byron Nemeth. When notability is questioned, it is up to those who wish to retain the article to find reliable sources. It is not up to those who wish to delete the article. The truth of the article is not in question. The notability of the subject is in question. Note the comment during the discussion that your career started before the Internet was such a big deal, so you (or someone) may know of non-internet sources (books, magazines, newspaper articles) that the deleters did not find. If so, please point them out. -Arch dude (talk) 01:41, 21 February 2021 (UTC)


 * What Arch dude said. Read the deletion discussion, then, if you'd like to try to make the article acceptable, read Help:My article got nominated for deletion! You can then ask to have the article brought back as a WP:DRAFT, take your time to work on it (no rush) and then you can submit it for review. If you want to attempt this (there's no guarantee you will succeed, it depends on what sources there are), you should also read WP:COI, WP:BLP and WP:NMUSIC. If you ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians and/or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guitarists, there may be editors who are interested in helping you to some extent. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:13, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello
Can I change assessment of any page or put page into any assessment?  Dinesh  (talk) 07:39, 21 February 2021 (UTC)


 * , see Content_assessment. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure there is official guidance on this but so as not to be accused of Marking your own homework you should probably stick to assessing articles to which you have not personally made large contributions, . Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:20, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Yukio Mishima
Hey all, the page Yukio Mishima has hundreds of links to the Japanese article in the middle of the text. Is this allowed? Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 10:28, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not the usual style and I don't think articles should have links like that outside relevant TEMPLATE:Ill:s. That said, I don't know if there's a guideline or MOS-page that advice against it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:51, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , it doesn't seem there's any policy against it; the shortcut WP:ILL leads to Help:Interlanguage links. Of course, if there are English counterparts for those articles those should be replaced. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:53, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Articles about a 501(3)(c) charitable organisation
Hello there, I wondered if you could tell me if it is allowed to write an article about a 501 (3)(c) charitable organisations? The name of the organisation is Empowers Africa. There are no citable sources to reference us so how would one go about adding these references to the page? Many thanks for your help, Katie

Katie Jacholke (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 13:26, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The type of organization is irrelevant (keep in mind that this is a global website with many people unfamiliar with the US tax code) as nonprofits are treated no differently than for profits. If as you say the organization is not written about in independent reliable sources with significant coverage, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable organization, it would not merit an article at this time.
 * Please understand that Wikipedia is not a place for organizations to tell the world about themselves. Wikipedia is only interested in what others completely unconnected with an organization say about it. If you are affiliated with this organization, please read about conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. 331dot (talk) 13:49, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note that it's 501(c)(3). —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 09:57, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Copying Wikipedia information
I am confused by CC-BY-SA/GFDL and the copyright information. I want to copy and paste from the site for personal use (family), including some pictures. I will be using citations. Is this allowed? 207.136.208.194 (talk) 13:46, 21 February 2021 (UTC) 207.136.208.194 (talk) 13:55, 21 February 2021 (UTC)Ruth
 * The advice for this is at WP:Copyrights. For personal use, there should be no problems. For use in self-published work, then attribute to Wikipedia as described on the advice page: basically you use a URL to link back to where you got the information from. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:58, 21 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Even for personal use, it's best to go ahead and attribute to Wikipedia. It's not very hard and it's a good habit it get into. If your use will only be paper/printed, just add one piece of paper with the Wikipedia URLs. If your use is on your computer or on a web site, just add the URLs in an inconspicuous place that does not interfere with the aesthetics. This will vary depending on the layout. This is the more important situation, since if it's on computer somewhere, someone else may eventually copy it and fail to attribute it. -Arch dude (talk) 18:21, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Submitting A Draft
Hello. I just wanted to know how do u submit a draft cause I’ve created a page which i would really like to submit but I have no idea on how to submit it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flash Lloyd (talk • contribs) 17:45, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It's strongly recommended that you read Help:Your first article first. It's very hard for new editors to write good articles. If this is about Draft:Bella Poarch, you'll need more independent sourcing. Twitter doesn't work.  TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  18:23, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

How to ask for a page enlargement
Hi. I created a new Wikiproject task force: WikiProject Football/Juventus F.C. task force which needs some modification. How can I ask for help to extend this page? Dr Salvus (talk) 18:09, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Those guys are probably the most interested. -Arch dude (talk) 18:13, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Content monitor dispute leading to a dubious act
Without getting into too much detail, I recently "had it out" with content monitors on the WWII page. They deleted my edits, my talk comments (which were not vulgar) and one went on my personal talk page (which I have since abandoned) and accused me of being racist. I fired all guns and don't apologize for my vulgarity. It was totally uncalled for! I have no intention to edit Wikipedia or offer donations going forward. The impression I got from the one individual is that he/she was a totalitarian, probably of Chinese decent. I will not tolerate this and it is not worth the "privilege" to edit. The user name of the individual is ‪331dot. I am a member of Lifelock and I received notification today of two instances of logins and passwords discovered on the dark web. The two passwords I ONLY had active on Wikipedia. This is inexcusable! What kind of criminal element do you have working for Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8D:500:9030:DD1E:BBDC:A4C5:2CEB (talk) 20:32, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Pinging . When you complain about an editor, it is good form to inform them so that they can explain the situation.    It also helps if you specify the article.  In a quick browse, I did not see anything immediately obvious at World War II.  RudolfRed (talk) 22:24, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You didn't see anything because it was deleted. That's ok, I don't mind you informing the editor. I'm done with Wikipedia, but I want this resolved. How does my login/password information get obtained by a pissed off editor and passed along to the dark web? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8D:500:9030:DD1E:BBDC:A4C5:2CEB (talk) 22:34, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty certain this is a troll. IIRC, doesn't 331dot have a LTA who's been trying to harass them off the project? —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 22:38, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I have not obtained anyone's password, have no ability to do so, and have no desire to do so. Admins do not have access to password/login information. I haven't edited the WWII article in the last 500 edits to it.  I'm not Chinese or a "totalitarian", so in short, I don't know what is going on here, but I don't have any idea what this user might be talking about based on this information.  I'm happy to be corrected, but nothing seems familiar about this. 331dot (talk) 22:45, 21 February 2021 (UTC)


 * See DuncanHill (talk) 23:01, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You're a liar! This is the message you left after I deleted the Chinese troop photo:
 * "331dot‬ left a message on your talk page in "‪February 2021‬".
 * I also find this request racist; further such comments will not be tolerated and you will lose access to this page if they continue.
 * View message ‪331dot‬  View changes" The horrible message I left was that the Chinese "embelish" the truth. Many world leaders are saying that today. So, eff you and your bullsh*t! Did you hack my login information?
 * I have not obtained your login information by any means and I do not have access to it. 331dot (talk) 22:59, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Right, definitely a troll. And 331dot is dead-on, he hasn't touched World War II within the last 500 edits on that page, a span that goes back to October 2019. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 23:00, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The block message rings a bell, but I don't recall who that was directed towards. I've seen hundreds of unblock requests. 331dot (talk) 23:03, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * See DuncanHill (talk) 23:07, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, DuncanHill. I didn't make the edit Ledboots is describing, but I did decline their unblock request, and yes, I think it is racist to say that Chinese people distort the truth. 331dot (talk) 23:09, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * IP is presently blocked. Should Ledboots19 be as well for socking via it? —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 23:12, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * (ec) Which edit didn't you make? You did make this one which he complained about. DuncanHill (talk) 23:14, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't edit the WWII page to reverse their edit. I freely admit I said what they say I said on their user talk page, as I do think it is racist to paint all Chinese people as truth distorters. 331dot (talk) 23:17, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I then removed their talk page access after they made this vulgar comment. 331dot (talk) 23:21, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Non-native speaker users
Hi! I am not a native speaker of English and therefore I may do some errors. I would like know one way for find the errors and make the appropriate edits. Dr Salvus (talk) 22:43, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * What sort of errors? For spelling, you can use a dictionary or perhaps your browser's built-in spell checker.  RudolfRed (talk) 22:53, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I mean errors causated by wrong words. I have a poor English and often I use Google Translator for write in English. Dr Salvus (talk) 22:58, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You should not use machine translation for any article content. You can post suggested changes on the article's talk page.  Consider editing articles on the Wikipedia for your native language.  RudolfRed (talk) 23:09, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Are-there present in Wikipedia any software that which allows find errors and edit them? Dr Salvus (talk) 23:19, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Not that I am aware of. RudolfRed (talk) 23:57, 21 February 2021 (UTC)


 * The only software there is that's capable of doing so are attentive editors. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:47, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

CfD for DuMont News & DuMont Sports
So, on February 14th, a CfD for the DuMont News & DuMont Sports categories was created, for the purpose of re-naming the two categories, with the reasoning being that the DuMont Television Network never actually had a news or sports division, so there shouldn't be categories for things that never existed.

Now, I'm aware that CfDs are usually open for at least a week and are closed when either A) a rough consensus has been formed, or B) no objections to the nomination are raised.

Well, at the time of me writing this, it has now been a week since the creation of that CfD, and no one has raised any objections to it. So, who would be the person/individual/editor who has the task of going through & re-naming the categories to what they should be (Category:DuMont News -> Category:DuMont news programming & Category:DuMont Sports -> Category:DuMont sports programming)? 2600:1700:C960:2270:D954:671E:12C9:B9FF (talk) 23:03, 21 February 2021 (UTC)


 * User:2600:1700:C960:2270:D954:671E:12C9:B9FF, no one person/individual/editor has the task of closing CfD discussions, as we are all volunteers. User:Good Olfactory has now closed the discussion and the categories have been renamed by a bot. TSventon (talk) 01:56, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

TV seasons
Should I put — or - between TV seasons? (season 1–2, or season 1—2). — HoneymoonAve27 (talk) 23:21, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Use an en dash per MOS:RANGE: seasons 1–2. GoingBatty (talk) 23:35, 21 February 2021 (UTC)