Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 January 15

= January 15 =

President Donald Trump's Wikipedia has been vandalized
Hello- On President Donald Trump's page, as Biden hasn't been inaugurated yet, there is TWO pieces of misinformation on his article but it's locked to prevent vandalism.

Fact Check: - FBI investigation as of yesterday, January 13th 2021, concludes President Trump NEVER incited anything to promote an assult on the Capitol. Not only does the capitol police report to Congress, but investigators concluded that it wasn't just Trump supporters who were wearing MAGA. This was publicized.

- President Trump is undergoing a second impeachment. He is NOT, and I repeatedly stress, NOT impeached for a second time. Senate has to vote then VP Michael Pence finalizes this. That is the American process.

I trust Wikipedia has not gotten slack with checking their resources and citations. Please adjust this immediately as it is misinformation.

God Bless! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by VoteEducated2020 (talk • contribs) 00:05, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , you'll have better luck on the talk page discussing these proposed changes with reliable sources. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:11, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Machine-translated source?
The text in the source given for the article Sinikka Nopola: https://pledgetimes.com/dead-author-sinikka-nopola-is-dead/ looks like it was machine-translated from Finnish. Does this need to be marked in some way? J I P &#124; Talk 00:19, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Better source? RudolfRed (talk) 01:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Correct Template
What would be the best template to place on this article to help in its improvement: Susan Blommaert? Maineartists (talk) 02:28, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * First, start by stating what do you think is wrong with it? Then, we can help you find a suitable template.  Also, it is better to work to improve the article rather than just template it and hope somebody else does it.  RudolfRed (talk) 02:30, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Really, RudolfRed? Come on. Don't be glib. You can see exactly what is wrong with that article. Absolutely no content except a list from IMDB. I know it's better to work on an article, but I have no interest or time. Do you? That's why WP has templates. If you don't want to help, move on. This is why I use the Teahouse. Maineartists (talk) 17:18, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

George Floyd
The Derek Chauvin page says he knelt on George Floyd’s neck for “several minutes”, which really implies 3-4 minutes and downplays his actions. I think you should list the exact amount of time, rather than linking it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.226.232 (talk) 06:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You may want to bring this up at Talk:Derek Chauvin, but from what I can tell the wikilink is valuable. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:35, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia logo needs update
The Wikipedia article has the wrong logo it has the old outdated logo not the new one and my edit request was not honored for a false reason — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.176.57 (talk) 11:08, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * it's just a celebratory temporary logo. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 11:18, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_topics/Punic_Wars
The page above relates events of the Three Punic Wars. However,at the end of the article, the following sentences seems a bit anachronistic :   "I love cheese and im pretty sure the Punic warsalso loves cheese. It mmakes them happy inside when they see cheese. It beautiful, who wouldnt? Connie also loves cheese she was in the punic wars so she knows. Great friend." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:194:480:B330:8D9C:5610:78B4:8932 (talk) 11:38, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I have removed it and will keep an eye on the page for a while. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:56, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Issues with my Archive Box
I want to use my archive box as a banner on my talk page, but using banner parameter breaks it style. Compare non-banner version with banner one. As you see, the banner version moves icon and search bar to the left and turns Archives into 'Archives:". Any solution? Keeping the archive box on top of my talk page, making it large, plus keeping its center alignment style/format. --Wario-Man (talk) 12:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I have the suspicion the developers are currently working on self-made overflow handlers to tables (as if the browser ones don't suffice), causing all sorts of messy stuff, including breaking most table layouts and anything dependent on it (such as most of the boxes on wikipedia) Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:47, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Is [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wario-Man&diff=1000555042&oldid=1000512992] what you want? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:35, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks but it's still not similar to what I want. Search archives button should appear below the search bar. As I said, I want a banner version of this. Same style/format but appearing on top of my talk page and be larger. --Wario-Man (talk) 17:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I have added .[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wario-Man&diff=1000574115&oldid=1000555042] PrimeHunter (talk) 18:22, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Cheers! --Wario-Man (talk) 19:02, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding photos to my great uncle's wiki page: Sir Alan Smith (RAF officer, spitfire pilot) and businessman
Hi there,

Sir Alan Smith's wiki page is great but sadly lacks any photos:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Smith_(RAF_officer)

I have some from when he was a spitfire pilot during WW2 (one of them has him with Hugh Dundas, Johnnie Johnson and Douglas Bader who were the 4 that flew together). It would be good to see these uploaded. I don;t know who owns them though and they were taken in WW2. The photo of the 4 of them would be a good addition to the other's wiki pages (especially Wing Commander Douglas Baders).

Hugh Dundas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Dundas Johnnie Johnson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnnie_Johnson_(RAF_officer) Douglas Bader: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Bader

Can someone please contact me about getting these uploaded and added to the page please?

Your sincerely

Jeremy Channon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrchannon (talk • contribs) 13:21, 15 January 2021 (UTC)


 * iff the photos are over 70 years old, have never been published before, and the author is unknown, they they are in the public domain. You can upload copies to Wikimedia Commons with the appropriate licence (  I think). Doing so will allow anyone to use the images for any purpose, including commercial use. Mjroots (talk) 14:20, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Looking for someone who might be interested in creating a article with me on 'KashBook'.
Hi, im looking for someone to assist me with writing this article on Draft:KashBook. it was a social media website by Zeyan Shafiq when the social media services were banned in kashmir in 2017, as per my research and suggestions from experienced editors i think this article meets notability guidelines and they have suggested me that this should be created. i am weak at english writing and grammer so i am looking for someone to help me write it cleanly, i can provide the researched rough write up's. we both can take credit as mutual creators for this article on our wiki user pages. thanks, drop a hi on my talk page if interested. Hums4r (talk) 15:58, 15 January 2021 (UTC)


 * To OP:, please don't ask the same question in multiple places. That makes following discussion hard.
 * To readers: the same question was asked at Wikipedia:Teahouse --CiaPan (talk) 16:10, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * And also at Reference_desk/Computing Rojomoke (talk) 06:24, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Defamation of US leaders in their Wikipedia pages
Please remove conspiracy theorist from all replublican senators wiki pages. This statement is a defamation of character for all government officials. This type of behavior is building a general mistrust for our government and those that are running it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.128.16 (talk) 16:25, 15 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi IP, this is the general help desk for Wikipedia editing, so we can't help with article specific issues here. Consider using the Edit Request Wizard if you can't edit the page, making sure you can give good reason for these comments to be removed. ✨ Ed  talk!  ✨ 17:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Maybe government officials that egg on crowds with unfounded lies to go and storm a capitol building should be distrusted. In any event, Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state, and they use the term conspiracy theory. 331dot (talk) 17:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

why is wikidata employee count not shown in infobox company
Hi, I've updated the employee count of entity https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q95 (latest point in time is 30 September 2020 but there are previous counts at other points in time) and I tried to have it included on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google by removing the hardcoded one (which was ">100,000") but it is not shown, how come? -- ClementSeveillac (talk)
 * You didn't set the new value to preferred. I have done it (on the top left icon when the entry is edited), and set the old value to normal.[//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q95&type=revision&diff=1341727117&oldid=1341700692] The infobox pulls the preferred value but will only show it if has a source other than Wikipedia. The former preferred value had Wikipedia as source. Google now shows the new value. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:19, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Got it, many thanks! -- ClementSeveillac (talk) 18:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Interlanguage links
In the cast section of the article about the film Magnolia, I clicked on April Grace and was surprised to be taken to the article on the German Wikipedia about her. It appears we don't currently have one in English. I checked Help:Interlanguage links and while it tells you how to make interlanguage links there, it doesn't say when you should.

I don't think it is helpful in this instance, as a red link might prompt somebody to attempt to create an article, whereas a link to the German Wikipedia is not very useful to most English speakers, but unless you click on it like I did, it is not apparent that we are lacking an English article on this actor. Can anyone point me towards a policy or guideline that addresses this? Thanks. Turner Street (talk) 16:44, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I have changed it to  per Help:Interlanguage links. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:23, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's it. I obviously wasn't looking hard enough on that page I linked. Turner Street (talk) 19:29, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Putting text in columns for printable version
Hello,

Is is possible to define two layouts of same wiki page? One layout is default web-page and in printable version, the same text is put in two or more columns.

Thank you Marino 17:12, 15 January 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marino108LFS (talk • contribs)
 * I'm not aware of this capability - the only changes I know of are changing the display skin, by clicking on preferences (link on top right menu bar). You could make a technical request at Village pump. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  20:46, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The no-print and no-display options make me think of defining a printable version of the wiki page where the text in the glossary is being placed in two columns, just as all dictionaries have being printed. Marino 21:09, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Is there a dashboard or forums page that shows suggested changes?
Hello,

Is there a dashboard or forums page that shows suggested changes? I read through a few pages within the community portal, but I didn't see how to submit a request or how to search for a previously mentioned request.

I want to place a request for a potential "dark mode" view to wikipedia....FYI — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glvatiekas (talk • contribs) 18:58, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Is this what you're looking for? Dashboard TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  20:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * And this Edit requests? TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  20:08, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Since the user is asking for a "Dark Mode" I think this would something for the wishlist. Anyone know how to wishlist an item?  RudolfRed (talk) 21:05, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , it could be an item for WP:VPP? I would've suggested the Community Wishlist Survey over at Meta, but that concluded recently. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:25, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Glvatiekas, dark mode has been requested many times in various locations over the years, including on Phabricator and in the annual Community Wishlist. The W?F Community Tech Team started Community Tech/Dark mode but found that it was either too hard or they hadn’t enough resources. User:MusicAnimal says a major technical barrier is that server-side dark mode may hurt the caching layer. (I don’t understand how having an extra skin Vector Legacy Vector + New Vector Vector doesn’t hurt the cache, but I’m not a dev.) In the most recent wishlist, Community Tech declined to consider it for inclusion. To make it happen, we would need to convince W?F that investing money in a proper dark mode is a more important branding effort than investing money in, say, changing the name of the Wiki m edia Foundation. If you’re on iOS and only interested in reading main space articles, then the Wikipedia app has some nice themes in dark, black, and sepia. Pelagic ( messages ) – (09:48 Sat 16, AEDT) 22:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, when somebody asked this here last June, there were a couple of answers that look as if they might be helpful. --ColinFine (talk) 23:44, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I normally use Apple's "Smart Invert" accessibility feature at night, but I’ve just installed Volker's user script to try out.  (To give fair credit: Alex Hollender, Carolyn Li-Madeo, MusikAnimal, and Jdlrobson also contributed to that.)  It just does a colour invert-and-rotate rather than being a fully designed-for-dark scheme, but looking at the CSS, they have put a fair effort into defining exceptions for the colour-flip, which might be an advantage over browser plugins or system-level transforms.  Pelagic ( messages ) – (14:36 Sat 16, AEDT) 03:36, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Just noting that I've heard very good feedback from users who have installed Vector-DarkCSS skin (copy the contents of this page into your vector.css page).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:45, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you everyone. I do appreciate the feedback. I am truly new to the wiki edits system. I tried my best to navigate the forums of the site. But it was been a struggle. (I got here at least...ha ha)

I have been used to using public submission sites such as ultimate-guitar.com that have sort of a ticketing/discussion voting system and couldn't find that within wikipedia. Oh well.

Also just an FYI. I have used and currently use a browser mod to have dark mode for wiki pages. Some portions of the pages don't appear because of this and I can understand if there is an extra graphics layer modification that may cause some difficulties in the operation of the website.

Glvatiekas (talk) 05:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

How best to improve a small paraphrased list added without consideration for style or placement
I came across a Wikipedia (W) page--Teamwork, with a short section at the end that was poorly phrased, so I registered a W account and revised for clarity. However, returning the next day, I realized the section I revised was simply a list of four ~7 word sentences written in a casual style that did not fit the academic style of the page, was crudely tacked onto the end, and the content belongs in the latter half of the preceding section--compare "beneficial" to "Benefits". It does have a citation in References, though while I've not seen the source material, it seems to be a condensed paraphrase. This short list is a poor fit at best. However, after reviewing the W style and guidelines, searching for an answer but what keywords to even use?, I'm unsure whether to a.) combine the content of the short list with the preceding section, style aside, b.) add a notation that the crudely tacked on short list does not meet W standards (or is that action a nominated process etc?), or something else. Without seeing the source material, I'm uncomfortable modifying content to fit the page style. Any suggestions? Thank you, and my apologies if this request doesn't follow protocol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alienhouse (talk • contribs) 20:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I modified the text a bit to make it fit better, and to provide context, although I can't read the source either and have to take it at face value. Thanks for pointing this out. TimTempleton (talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

What happened to all the Entertainment Weekly links?
Lately, every time I've seen an Entertainment Weekly article used as a source on Wikipedia, the link hasn't worked. In all of these cases, I've still been able to find the articles through google; they've just been moved to different web addresses, and unfortunately, the old urls aren't redirecting to the new ones. Does anyone know what caused this? I realize that it's Entertainment Weekly's fault and not Wikipedia's, but I'm curious if this is something a bot could fix or if I'll just have to fix each of these links as I come across them. --Jpcase (talk) 23:12, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If the new urls are in a predictable format compared to the old urls, then one option is to request a bot to update all the old links to new links. Another option is to see if the material was archived, and point the urls to the archive (see Link_rot RudolfRed (talk) 02:11, 16 January 2021 (UTC)