Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 January 2

= January 2 =

Realyn Nelson
I just posted a partial (read; far from complete article on musician Realyn Nelson. Just looking at it will show it is far from done. The reviewer declined to post it just minutes after it was submitted. Going by the information Wikipedia provided this is not what I expected (some 3,700+ articles already waiting review), which is more like 3 months before it would even be reviewed.   Please have another reviewer look over the article and remove 	‪AngusWOOF from this.  His comments to me are very insultive and if I reply back to him I may well get "assertive' in my language.

If there is a way to save an incomplete article Wikipedia needs to make that more easily available. In this case I am waiting for a set of interview questions to be returned to me (personal biographical; DOB, married/single, parents names, children names, and profesional history. Although some of that is available publically, I don't live in Tennessee to read the local papers and magazines.  As such I have only a few articles to use and each of those are just interviews anyways.

Someone explain how I am to do this just by internet searches when the real information is available more accurately and easier to find? Logic seems to be lost in this process. It needs to be introduced. How do I get the information needed without going through public records research (which I have zero access to) unless I get it from the subject or someone close to her? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7081:6D03:7D59:C4AE:A709:2784:1BF8 (talk) 00:34, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You can continue to work on the draft to improve it.  When it is ready, then submit it for review.  Drafts are not reviewed in any particular order, so if you submit something for review, don't be suprised when it is reviewed.  Non-published information, such as an interview you are conducting, cannot be used as a source.  Only information from published reliable sources may be used.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:40, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link: Draft:Realyn_Nelson RudolfRed (talk) 00:41, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * IP editor, you are the person who chose to submit an incomplete draft for review. You could have waited until the draft was ready before clicking the submit button. Drafts are reviewed in no particular order and those that quite obviously not ready for the encyclopedia are often declined quickly. This is because reviewers can almost instantly see major problems. As for the interview you are conducting, that simply cannot be used on Wikipedia. Please see the core content policy No original research. Please understand that Wikipedia summarizes what published reliable sources say about a topic. You can save a draft in progress by clicking the "Publish changes" button, not the "Submit" button. As for your comments about, you are over-reacting. The language they used is standard and helpful to you, if you will read it carefully. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  01:32, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * , please understand when you do that particular "submit the article", you're telling everyone that the article is ready to be put in the mainspace and ready for review by AFC reviewers. That's not the same as submitting the creation of a draft or submitting edits to that draft. The reason I declined it as promotional is that it involved personal interviews with the subject, implying that you know the subject personally or professionally, which implies a conflict of interest. See WP:COI If you are indeed associated with her or her promotions, you need to declare that. You also need to use information that is gathered from secondary sources such as external news articles and build your article on that information. As she is a musician, you should indicate how she meets WP:MUSICBIO. Does she have music that has charted, been published by a notable label, and critically reviewed outside of the immediate area? She is related to a well-known musician, but notability is not inherited when creating separate articles.  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:44, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * If a certain piece of information isn't available in a reliable source then you can just leave it out. Biographical article's don't particularly need to include someone's date of birth etc. --Paul &#10092;talk&#10093; 05:47, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * In fact, you'd be obligated to leave it out. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 17:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

"Musical scores are temporarily disabled" – Why and until when?
Over recent weeks I have encountered many classical music articles displaying the mysterious message Musical scores are temporarily disabled instead of the editor-coded musical score fragments normally seen, though the corresponding editors' code still appears in the Edit view. Unfortunately the … temporarily disabled message has no URL to a (presumably extant) explanation—and I can devise no useful search:
 * Searching FAQ gives zero results;
 * A normal search simply lists all(!) articles which contain the message at least once.

Typical example: Rodrigo's Concierto_de_Aranjuez, where I hoped to understand the 3rd. movement's complex metre. But older works, e.g. by J.S. Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and Brahms, have the same issue, which meanwhile affects other-language Wikipedias (e.g. de.wikipedia.org, nl. …, no. …, pl. …).

So please point me to a page which indicates
 * Why Musical scores are temporarily disabled;
 * A likely date for re-enablement.

Many thanks! SunadirE (talk) 01:24, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * It is due to a security issue. Because it is security related, only a limited amount of info is available. See  – RudolfRed (talk) 01:42, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that helps me further! Suggestions:
 * • For the benefit of other puzzled users, the bare Musical scores are temporarily disabled message boxes desperately need a link (maybe the one you posted here?) to some explanation–but without compromising security.
 * • If a permanent fix is far down the line, maybe someone could write a bot to automatically convert existing scores to images (unfortunately non-editable, of course) which could be displayed in the interim.
 * SunadirE (talk) 10:42, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect information
What does a person do when they see incorrect information on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:E3C0:62B:ACAB:C293:BCDA:BE4E (talk) 01:47, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Fix it, along with a citation to a published, reliable source. Or, start a discussion on that article's talk page.  RudolfRed (talk) 02:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * They go ahead and fix it --Paul &#10092;talk&#10093; 05:40, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The IP editor is trying to whitewash Vaccine Choice Canada. Interested experienced editors should add this article to their watchlists. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  06:17, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

How should names of computer files and folders be formatted?
Should the names of files contain code formatting in article prose? What about article titles of individual files? JsfasdF252 (talk) 02:49, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . I would think so, yes. I'd probably copy formatting of the examples in the path article. --Paul &#10092;talk&#10093; 16:40, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you amend guidelines about formatting filenames to the Manual of Style? JsfasdF252 (talk) 17:12, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Dr Fritz Indra information not available in English?
Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:88AC:6300:82C:FC56:2A83:F6FE (talk) 05:49, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Doesn't look like anyone has made an article about him on en.wiki, if you feel that there should be one then go ahead and do that. --Paul &#10092;talk&#10093; 05:53, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:TRANSLATION may suit your purposes, where articles from a different-language Wikipedia can be moved into its English counterpart here (given attribution). — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄 Happy Holidays! ⛄ 06:07, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Here is the article about him on German Wikipedia. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  06:24, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Delete account
Accidentally I created this account. I want to delete my account permanently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdullah Al Naiem (talk • contribs) 07:12, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Accounts cannot be deleted for technical and legal reasons. You can request it be renamed to a random string and just not log into it afterward. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 07:34, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I am a little curious about how an account can be accidentally created. --Paul &#10092;talk&#10093; 12:24, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Maybe they were intending to create for a different Wikipedia project? If so, SUL would allow them to use their en.wp-created account on that other Wikipedia. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 17:10, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Reason why contribution was declined
Good day,

I made a contribution on a page where I added more information about Auld Lang Syne Music Video.

I can't find the reason or still don't understand why my contribution to a LINK was declined.

Looking forward to hear from you please.

Regard, George — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kayworld009 (talk • contribs) 08:03, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Sics making me woozy
Hi, all. I have a question about using "sic" in a certain context.

In this article, the word "SuperCede" is used as a product name. Now, "supercede" is generally recognised as a misspelling.

So:
 * 1) As a typical reader of Wikipedia, I have to wonder if there's been a transcription error; there's no clue either way.
 * 2) As a Typo Team spellchecker, I have to confirm that the spelling is as intended, then parse the source code in my head to see if someone has already added a    or   [sic]  template, or a comment of some kind.

Based on what I've seen in Wikipedia so far, I believe most experienced Wikipedians use the templates, or a comment, as their preferred solution. Yet that results in the confusion and wasting of time I described above, not to mention the further wasting of time in me and my progeny writing questions like this, and you and your progeny in reading them. Whereas a simple "[sic]" would have avoided the entire problem (I think).

Thoughts? -- Ghastlyman (talk) 09:01, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , it looks like a product name to me immediately (the capitalised C in the middle of the word strongly suggests that) so the spelling is intentional. I don't see the need for sic there; that's mainly reserved for quotes where editors are being faithful to lifting passages over to here, errors and all. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄 Happy Holidays! ⛄ 09:08, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, but how do you know that OP didn't accidentally misspell the word, ie, the capital 'C'. -- Ghastlyman (talk) 09:16, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Doing a Google search on "asymetrix supercede" gives me results that predominantly render it as "SuperCede". It gets a mention in Seattle business journal as such. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄 Happy Holidays! ⛄ 09:19, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did similar research. My point is that anyone concerned about spelling in this case (and in thousands of similar cases in Wikipedia) will have to repeat that research unnecessarily, simply because it isn't marked in the article as being the intended spelling. Ok, here's another example: in the article Event_2, a track is listed as "Talent Supercedes" (ie, incorrect spelling). Now, I researched that track, and I know that the transcription is correct in this case, ie, the track title was misspelt by (presumably) the artist. So I added a "sic" template to indicate this, so nobody else has to repeat my research, then parse the source code for comments. (My reasoning is noted on the talk page.) But is what I did generally considered to be bad form? Further views encouraged! -- Ghastlyman (talk) 09:43, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Minor correction to previous comment: The [sic] tags was already there; I just removed the "hide=y" arg. -- Ghastlyman (talk) 09:57, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Another minor correction: Where I said "source code" above, I of course meant "wikitext". Sorry. -- Ghastlyman (talk) 10:08, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I think that if you're overly concerned about other editors potentially thinking it's an error, you could leave a hidden comment such that it only shows up while others are trying to edit the page. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:28, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Question
Can I edit using Tor Browser? Dineshswamiin (talk) 09:07, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Tor exit nodes are automatically blocked by the software behind Wikipedia. If you have the need to use Tor, you can request IP block excemption, which will allow the use of Tor. Otherwise, please don't. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:30, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Correct music label for releases?
In a discography section for an artist's page, how do you determine the labels under which a specific project is released? Which source should be used? For example, for Orlando, Florida rapper Hotboii's debut project named Kut da Fan On, Amazon Music lists the labels as Interscope and 22 Entertainment, Apple Music lists Hitmaker Music Group, Discogs also lists Hitmaker and MusicBrainz lists 22 Entertainment. He does not, however, appear on Intercope's official list of artists. Thank you. JTtheOG (talk) 10:11, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Antikult
Antikult is an European grind/jazzcore band based in Milan, Italy. It's been created by the Italian bass player Alex Bescapè (vocals, bass) with Aubert Leroux (drums) from France. Together they decided to take some jazz based patterns and turn them into grindcore music. Skefill Kiljanson (guitars) from Iceland completed the line up. The band style is an old school grindcore with a lot of crust influences. The fusion and jazz background of Leroux and the jazz early age education of Bescapè can be heard clearly. Songs sometimes used solutions in the mood of seventies music or sax insert reminding Zorn works.

Discography

 * "Dioxin No Natsu" (2019) cd
 * "The Rotten Root of Empires" (2019) 7" Ep w/Agathocles
 * "And the came the plague" (2020) cassette
 * "The Violent Grace of Reality" (2021) CD

Band

 * Alex Bescapè: growls, bass
 * Aubert Leroux: drums
 * Skefill Kiljanson: guitars

The band used some guest musicians in their releases like Paju (guitar) and Rade Krkic (sax)

simple inflation template
Is there some simple inflation template that can be used to describe $1,000,000 of 1890 to what value that equals in 2021? --Christie the puppy lover (talk) 12:02, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * inflation. I guess you want US$.  produces . 2019 is currently the latest available US year. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:19, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Template help
Can I create a template for Hindi Wiki? I need a template like Template:Val but I don't know how to create. Dineshswamiin (talk) 13:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Family tree on Talk Page of article
Hello

I am planning an article about a business that went bankrupt in 1803 and the story is complicated by the number of people involved, who were often related. I hope to provide a family chart but these do tend to be rather bulky, so I am suggesting that the chart could be put on the Talk Page of the article. The production of the chart is time consuming, so rather than steam ahead and get grief from fellow editors who may disagree with this, I would ask if there is a consensus on this proposal? Sidpickle (talk) 14:25, 2 January 2021 (UTC) Ted
 * The talk page of the article is not really a place for material on the subject, it's for talk about the article. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:35, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, and the article should not refer to the talk page so readers are unlikely to see it. We also have many reusers who copy our articles but not our talk pages. Talk pages are not part of the encyclopedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:41, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * : If you're looking for a consensus on the proposal, you might be better off seeking it from a relevant Wikiproject. The editors that you're worried may come along and object to your diagram are likely not frequenting this page. Everybody here could be 100% in support, but we're not necessarily going to see the dispute, if one breaks out.
 * That all said, it seems pretty low risk. Graphics help people understand, so in principle this could be quite good. And most of the articles in Category:1803 disestablishments by country seem to be infrequently edited. The last time that someone added or removed content from Haymarket Theatre (Boston, Massachusetts) (as opposed to cleanup by humans or bots) was way back in 2012. --  Zanimum (talk) 17:19, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks for advice. One other reason for putting it on the TALK PAGE is that some data in the tree originates from the transcription of wills, due in main to the lack of other records from this early period. These have been used as citations in the journals I've been reading including Guidhall Studies in History and The American Society of Genealogists. Many of these wills are also available from the National Archive at Kew on demand, for free, in PDF format. However, I fear some editors may be critical saying that this is Primary Sources or Original Research. So by putting it on TALK PAGE I am hoping that there can be little objection. Sidpickle (talk) 18:00, 2 January 2021 (UTC) Ted
 * Sorry, Sid, but the talk page of an article is subject to the same principle: Wikipedia is not a place to publish original research or synthesis. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  19:59, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry Orangemike, but if you read the No original research (para 1) it says This policy of no original research does NOT apply to talk pages ...... Sidpickle (talk) 08:56, 3 January 2021 (UTC) Ted


 * That's correct, you can use OR in talks about article contents. But you should not use OR in article contents, which you propose (whether you put it directly in the article or add as an extension to the article at its talk page). And extending an article in its talk page is a bad idea itself, as others explained above, despite an extension being OR or not. --CiaPan (talk) 11:40, 3 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks CiaPan; yes it is a rubbish idea on my part but worth exploring. Many thanks to all for the advice.Sidpickle (talk) 14:30, 3 January 2021 (UTC) ted
 * I have a completely different view. A properly-referenced family tree is not original research. Here is my reasoning. If you created a section named "family relationships" and stated each relationship in a prose sentence, with a reference on the sentence, then the result would not be OR and would be acceptable. This is not even WP:SYNTH, because any conclusion the reader draws from juxtaposition will be a simple fact, similar to a simple mathematical equation, and not an inference that you, the editor, are implying. But a family tree as a tree structure is simply the same information presented in a different form. To solve the "bulkiness" problem, you can either the tree into an image of some sort, or you can place it in a collapsible (show/hide) section. This belongs in the article itself, not on the talk page. A reader who is not an editor should never have to go to the talk page. The talk page is where editors collaborate on what information should be presented in the article. -Arch dude (talk) 17:29, 4 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info. The problem with the tree I'm working on is that the records of this early period were often just parish records and many of these are now missing or in tatters and unreadable.  The only way of working out the family structure is often from the wills transcribed and available from the National Archives.  It is a jigsaw of cross referencing and occasionally the mention of an unknown does provide a lead to a reference book.  For example the name of a second husband mentioned in a will can sometimes be found in Burke's Landed Gentry or a Visitation journal.  One author 100+ years ago wrote of this family: The Birds, a widespread clan of the upper middle class, almost defy tabulation into branches and families : their genealogists are so embarrassed by the results of constant intermarriage, amongst cousins of far and near degree, that the most valiant efforts are marred by confusion and blunders.  I tend to agree and the only way is to focus on the key players in the story.  Agree that the collapsible tree is an option.  Thank for taking the time to contact me.  It has helped and I think I can see a way forward. Sidpickle (talk) 20:00, 4 January 2021 (UTC) Ted

Spam blacklist
I was trying to archive my CSD log, as I do after every 12-month period. However, when I tried to create a new archive page with the current content, I got a warning when trying to save it: "Error: Your edit was not saved because it contains a new external link to a site registered on Wikipedia's blacklist."

My CSD log is huge, and I assume that the offending URL is one of the ones I'd flagged for WP:G12. Is there any way to figure out which URL is the bad one, or do I have to comb through my log and compare each URL in it to the blacklist? --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:19, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The offending URL is, and is visible at Special:Log/spamblacklist/drm310. * Pppery * it has begun...  16:09, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Excellent, thank you! --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:34, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism and misinformation on 'Rajput', Rajputisation' articles..
The tone of the article is against Wikipedia guidelines, which says phrases such as " according to experts" and etc, denotes propaganda; have been used in this article in terms of "scholars" and "historians". The contents of sources has been varied slightly to fit the conjectures put forward by some editors. This article has been Vandalised since a year as without acknowledging the authenticity of sources they are cheaply used to edit and expand article with unrelated contents. Which is far from being informative but propagates hates and portrays a total community as consumers of ' Opium', 'alcohol' and other misdeeds, according to photographs and content in the article Rajputs are or were most backward and savage people in the whole world. Which is of little historic value and thus hurts the community 'very deeply'. I and several other people's have given many references of accomplished writers but they have not acted on them and are writing just what they believe to be true, making Wikipedia a PERSONAL DIARY. Therefore I request the Wikipedia Administrators to take some measures against this and if you cannot then delete this article no need to give information on this topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aishtomar (talk • contribs) 17:01, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you have concerns about a specific article, please discuss them on the article talk page. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state.  If those sources are not being summarized accurately, please point that out and offer any independent sources of your own. 331dot (talk) 17:07, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * if the "experts", "scholars", or "historians" cannot be determined from the reference, then use the template to tag them in the article. If it is reasonably clear from the article, then do not use this tag. There are other such specific templates of the same type: see  for a list of them. Please only use these when it is clear that they are needed (i.e., when you believe an uninvolved editor would agree with you). -Arch dude (talk) 17:44, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

WP:UST article talk pages say inactive
Hello, I am reviving WP:UST (United States Territories) and notice that it still says that the project is inactive in the template box thingies but I thought I reset the project to active, I was wondering if I could get someone to take a look and see what I am missing?

Thanks, Alex the Nerd (talk) 17:11, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Regarding the main page WP:UST, you currently have y in the infobox parms, but there is no such parameter ("active" is the default status if the inactive or semi-active parms are not given). If you're talking about the talk page, the "inactive" in the top banner comes from . I've changed it back to active. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 03:43, 3 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for your help, I've never gotten too deep into the technicals of projects so my mind got boggled between the bot and the templates. You're a lifesaver. Alex the Nerd (talk) 04:29, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Reaching consensus
I've had this happen a couple times: I start the BRD cycle on a talk page and the user who made the last edit won't post on the talk page. What should I do? How long should I wait before reverting the last edit?

Thank you! DenverCoder9 (talk) 17:20, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * AFAIK there is no definitive answer. In general, you want to wait a reasonable amount of time after notifying the other party of the talkpage discussion. A resonable amount of time is when you could say that the other party had enough time to post there. I commonly see seven days cited as a good time, but it actually depends. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:12, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Great, thank you! DenverCoder9 (talk) 20:28, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

adding name
Hello Friends I have an account on Turkish Wikipedia for many years. The name in the title is my artistic name “Cenk Taşkan” , To existing Name,how can I add my real name whıch is “Majak Toşikyan” in conclusion : Majak Toşikyan - Cenk Taşkan or Cenk Taşkan - Majak Toşikyan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.20.210.103 (talk) 18:40, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Majak. First, this is English Wikipedia: Turkish Wikipedia is an entirely separate project, and may have different policies and practices, which probably nobody here is familiar with. The rest of my answer will describe how things are done on en-wiki: I guess they are similar on tr-wiki, but I don't know. I see that on tr-wiki there is both an article tr:Cenk Taşkan and a user account tr:Kullanıcı mesaj:Cenk Taşkan (no user page, so I've linked to your user talk page): I'm not clear which of these you want to change the name of. (Be aware that they are completely separate from each other: there is no connection between the name of a user and the name of an article). If you want to change your user name, you can request a change at Special:GlobalRenameRequest. If you want to change the way your username appears when you sign a message on a talk page, you can alter your signature. If you want the title of the article about you changed, you would need to move the article - but on en-wiki, you would not be allowed to do that yourself because of your conflict of interest, but would have to make a request at requested moves. Again, I don't know how different it may be at tr-wiki. --ColinFine (talk) 19:53, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Renaming a Wikipedia's url
Hello, I intend to request a change on the url of the Aromanian Wikipedia from "roa-rup.wikipedia.org" to "rup.wikipedia.org". I had thought about doing this before and after finding this website which seems to be related to Wikimedia and which already proposed it, I am now motivated to try to apply the change. The thing is, I have no idea where to ask about this, so I did it here. Does anyone know if it is possible and which is the right place to do so? Super  Ψ   Dro  20:46, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * You cannot do it yourself. It needs to be done by the developers, and that is what that phab is tracking.  RudolfRed (talk) 20:56, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * So... the process is still ongoing? Super   Ψ   Dro  20:58, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. If I am reading the ticket right,  needs to be completed first.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RudolfRed (talk • contribs) 21:13, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. I assume there's not much I can do apart from waiting then. Thanks for your help. Super   Ψ   Dro  21:20, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

WP 1.0
Is that tool still working? I am completely unsavvy with tech and am not sure if its just me or did it break or update or something? Alex the Nerd (talk) 21:30, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Timeout Error 28
Been trying to edit the English exonyms page for a while by adding collapsable captions to the tables I made of the info. The issue is, whenever I add them for all the tables on the list, I can't submit the edit. The error is something like "Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server: (curl error: 28) Timeout was reached". Is there a way to give myself more time to edit or is something else an issue? Starbeam2 (talk) 21:43, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Errors like that are usually temporary. It's usually best to wait a few hours and try again. Is it still happening? If so, probably better to post at WP:VPT. Please provide a wikilink to the exact page. Can you make other (simple) edits to the same page? —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 03:53, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I can make other, simple edits, but nothing more. The page is (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_exonyms).Starbeam2 (talk) 04:00, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * What change are you trying to make exactly? The profiling data shows it shouldn't be running into any limits, and I tried adding "collapsible" to all 77 tables' classes and previewing it, which took only a couple of seconds and worked correctly (I didn't save it). —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 04:11, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It was basically adding a collapsable caption to each table. That said, it might be a problem on my end. Starbeam2 (talk) 08:44, 3 January 2021 (UTC)