Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 July 20

= July 20 =

APPRECIATION
Just want to say thank you to Wikipedia. For making their service to reach such an insignificant person like me.


 * You are quite welcome. If something in Wikipedia has helped you or informed you, then we are achieving our goal. You are our target audience. -Arch dude (talk) 03:11, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ditto to what Arch said. It's always a pleasure when something we worked together on (however small my part may be) is useful to someone else. I also want to add the obligatory reminder that you can always —if you wish— repay the favor by helping out when you can. Check out getting started if you're not sure how; there's plenty of things to do. We always try to assume good faith, so be bold!

Conyers baronets
thumb|Sir Christopher Conyers, 2nd Baronet of Horden Hall

This file above - portrait of a  man  - is labelled incorrectly. I cannot change it on my device. There should be a capital "C" for Conyers  in the description underneath the file/photo and on the above  Conyers baronets. Thankyou 114.76.112.84 (talk) 04:50, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ by changing "conyers" to "Conyers" in the file link. RudolfRed (talk) 05:02, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Edit
Yes, i have tried speaking yo the petson who wrote it, but he refuses to add the fact that we are 8 grandchildren
 * I will assume this is, but you are logged out, and this is related to an earlier question about a dispute at Theodore_Friedman. The place to discuss this is at Talk:Theodore_Friedman.  Don't engage in an edit war.  You say you have discussed it with the other editor, but I am not seeing anything like that in your edit history.  Can you let us know where you have started this discussion?  RudolfRed (talk) 05:24, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

I know the person and have spoken to him — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.229.174.81 (talk) 05:34, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * On-wiki discussion is going to be necessary for it to have any weight - and good-faith discussion, at that Nosebagbear (talk) 09:29, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Adding Information
Good Morning, On the Little League Softball World Series page I would like to add Washington State, Marysville, WA, Marysville Little League as the runner-ups in both 1993 and 1995. I have no idea how to do this. Please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.17.175.1 (talk) 16:30, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi there! I suggest you post your request on the article talk page, Talk:Little League Softball World Series, and provide a reliable source that supports the change you are requesting.  GoingBatty (talk) 22:53, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Slanted information
Whoever wrote this is VERY liberal slanted, can we get this rewritten without the left slander, thanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marjorie_Taylor_Greene — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.64.120.206 (talk) 16:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * If you believe the article suffers from WP:POV, try using the talk page to discuss how to improve, using sources and Wikipedia policies that support your point. Also, do not forget to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). Best regards, Isabelle 🔔 17:07, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * OK we hear you. As the editor said above, we would point you to the article talk page, and I think that's the best place to start.


 * Since she's alive, however, the article falls under Biographies of living persons (called "BLP" for short). WP:NPOV also covers this sort of thing. My advice would be to read the BLP closely, and if you think your case is an emergency (sounds like it) maybe you should take your case directly to the Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. Reading WP:RS might also help you argue your case.
 * Either way, you should come prepared able to point to specific statements that are false, or misleading, or cherry-picked and slanted, and so forth; and/or sources that are not acceptable for a BLP (see WP:RS for details). Also maybe useful suggestions for material that could be added for balance, with good sources.


 * The Wikipedia is an Enlightment-based institution, which essentially means it tends to be on board with democracy. If the subject you speak of is seen as not being on board with democracy, then most editors here are going to hate her. I know I do [statement of personal opinion so I don't think that's a BLP violation, an editor that disagrees she should redact this sentence].


 * So yes, there is a possibility that the article is slanted, give that circumstance. Probably not, because we try to be fair-minded; but we're human and we're not perfect, so maybe. If you need assistance message me on my talk page and I'll engage. Herostratus (talk) 17:15, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources say, but it does not claim to be free of bias. Any bias in sources will be reflected in Wikipedia. Those sources are presented to the reader so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves. If sources are being summarized inaccurately, please point out the specific errors on the article talk page. If you disagree with what the sources say, you will need to take that up with them. 331dot (talk) 23:02, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Updating sniper rifle photo to current mrad rifle.
How to update sniper rifle search first picture to current mrad rifle. To lower advertising costs for military. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.94.37.60 (talk)
 * Is this for a particular article? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:23, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not for advertsing. Please clarify your comments.  RudolfRed (talk) 19:01, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Symbol move vote.svg Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The same feedback facility is also provided on Bing and some other search engines.~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 20:57, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Section header qualification
Hi Folks!! Would this be a valid section header Edinburgh, 1st Period:1853-1860? Thanks.  scope_creep Talk  19:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I doubt you need to say "1st Period" when the bracket is clearly delimited. Why not simply "1853-1860"? -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  19:49, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You should use an en dash (" – ", MOS:ENDASH) rather than a hyphen and have a space after the colon. TSventon (talk) 20:05, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi There was two periods, in the the Joseph Lister article, when he worked at Edinburgh University. So it is valid then. It is going to GA and FA eventually, so it will probably change then, as I've not seen it anywhere. The reason is its referred to that style in several places. I don't think at the moment it add value by putting 1st period, 2nd period.... I think I will just put the dates in. Seems better. Thanks Orangemike.    scope_creep Talk  20:11, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Richard Wagner is a FA and has sections like Richard Wagner. Edinburgh, 1st Period:1853-1860 seems to be copied from the internet and Wikipedia editors should generally use their own words. TSventon (talk) 20:26, 20 July 2021 (UTC) Word added. TSventon (talk) 22:09, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Yip, your right. Its from a cv entryish page from a  book from the Welcome Collection, which I thought originally was out of copyright, but isn't. Godlee, his biographer, written in 1924, is out of copyright, uses a similar-ish style, but I don't think I'd use it in that way. I suspect it is one of these generic word combo's that you see everywhere in cv style pages. I think the Richard Wagner style is probably close to what Wikipedia uses in general, and seems ok. Thanks TSventon, Orangemike. I have another question coming up about a lookup help.     scope_creep Talk  20:50, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * My thinking was that by copying text there is always the risk that the wording will work less well in Wikipedia than in its original context. There is also sometimes a risk of copyright violation, depending on what is being copied. TSventon (talk) 21:05, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That is perfectly rational but only works the general case. I really don't mind copying public domain text to Wikipedia, if it requires it. There is several instances in the past, where pd text was the only sources available, and due to e.g an extreme specialism in the subject, there was no way to reword or paraphrase the text or provide my own text, in a manner, acceptable to standard norms, without breaking its context and meaning. An example would be B-Dienst, which is not finished. There was plenty of public domain info sources, but no general academic historical sources that were in-depth, sufficient enough to write it. That is the only category I have found where you would apply that rule. For these old texts, I tend to look for the PD tag to see if I can use it, but only in areas like e.g quotes and where the language itself is sufficiently good to illustrate a core point. Do you have a better way of displaying that text. I would be interested if you could contrast the two periods in some way, that is perhaps more modern.   scope_creep Talk  21:20, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The reason I ask is that I did something similar to that format in an early cv, so I suspect it's quite an old format, an old word combo.   scope_creep Talk  21:33, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I have added generally as my initial wording was too dogmatic. I don't think period is needed in Wikipedia format as there is a table of contents as well as the section headings and it would be easy to see that there were two periods each in London and Edinburgh. I am not writing the article, so that is just my opinion. I hope you used Aetatis suae in your cv and the recipient was appropriately impressed. TSventon (talk) 22:09, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll use it for my next blog!! I didn't think your were dogmatic.  scope_creep Talk  22:52, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

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can you change the size of the 2nd pic, have to be bigger
 * ✅ -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  19:58, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

How can I preview a word or concept
I was trying to learn more about how to best use Wikipedia and in the trials, I switch off the preview os words or ideas and do not know how to switch it on again!.

Your help is appreciated.

Emma. Sig by user:187.213.126.179 added by   scope_creep Talk  20:13, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Emma. I'm not sure I understand the issue. Do you mean to say that you switched from the visual editor to the source editor? If that is the case, you can switch back by clicking on the pen symbol on the top right part of the editor, as seen in the picture. If you need more help, read the VisulEditor help page. Isabelle 🔔 20:30, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * If you disabled the feature "Page previews" then you can enable it at "Edit preview settings" at the bottom right. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:06, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Newspaper article lookup help
Hi Folks!!, could somebody lookup a reference in a newspaper and take a screengrab, so I can examine it, please. Its mentioned in, page 80. Specifically I'm looking for the article from the Glasgow Herald on 18 January 1860. Its a stinging article telling Joseph Lister that he didn't get the job. I don't have access to anything like this. I did a good search but couldn't find it. It is public domain. thanks.  scope_creep Talk  20:55, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Try asking the resource exchange. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 21:00, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks I've not seen that board before. Thanks very much.    scope_creep Talk  21:02, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Got that in two seconds. Good resource.   scope_creep Talk  22:53, 20 July 2021 (UTC)