Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 July 28

= July 28 =

Temple Moor High School
Please help - ref number 5 should have the newspaper publisher - I got it wrong - please fix. Thanks 115.70.23.77 (talk) 00:04, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * the publisher parameter. GoingBatty (talk) 00:28, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Making page public
I have a wiki page by name Harini Srivatsa. the page is private i would like to make it public. I am not aware of how to do it. i dont remember the email id i used to register this account. Please help me --Harinisrivatsa (talk) 02:54, 28 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Are you referring to your user page? It looks like it was edited in October of 2020. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Harinisrivatsa.
 * Your user page is already public. If you meant you wanted to make it an article in the mainspace, that would be a different story, and likely not possible as the text currently stands.


 * I see that you've also created the page K. Srivatsa Chakravarthy in 2015.
 * –– FormalDude talk  (please notify me on reply) 03:00, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * If submitted for review that page would be summarily declined due to its utterly abysmal sourcing and its nonstandard formatting. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 03:28, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, in fact we have now deleted the user page due to it being an unambiguous promotion/advertisement. –– FormalDude talk  (please notify me on reply) 05:09, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Redirection of Burmese junta
Since the Burmese coup in 2021, the State Administration Council is established as the country's new military junta. So how should the redirect page of "Burmese junta" to be dealt, which originally redirects to State Peace and Development Council? Many thanks.廣九直通車 (talk) 07:23, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Have there been more than two? If so, I'd create a List of Burmese juntas and redirect there. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:13, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Another possible redirect target is Military rule in Myanmar. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:28, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm going to stage a coup and redirect it there. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:30, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

How to change the usernane
I would like to change my user name to:luccathron787 Is that possible? With best regards luccathron787 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luccathron787 (talk • contribs) 12:50, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello. Please see Changing username for details on the process. Cheers ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  13:18, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . You appear to already have the name you desire. Still, if you want to change your name, head over to Changing username page and follow the instructions there. Isabelle 🔔 13:18, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Isabelle is certainly correct! ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  13:21, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * If your question is whether your username can start with a lower case l, the answer is no- for technical reasons, they have to start with upper case letters. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:23, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That'd make sense. I guess they could always change their name to Iuccathron787. Isabelle 🔔 13:41, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , I don't believe that's the case. I think there's a way to make it display with a lowercase letter, and that may achieve their goal, but I don't believe it's acceptable to have a username start with a lowercase letter. S Philbrick  (Talk)  18:41, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

List of youngest birth mothers
In the page, the first words are: “This is a list of youngest birth mothers aged less than 11 years at time of birth (not at time of conception).”

The Italian girl Maria Tizziano become mother at 11 years old. It is eligible for the page? --151.71.39.233 (talk) 13:39, 28 July 2021 (UTC)


 * 11 is not less than 11, so on the face of it, no. Furthermore, we do not have an article on Maria Tizziano, and you have not given a source: preferably, entries in list articles should already be the subject of independent articles; but if they are not, there should be sufficient sources cited to establish that they are notable. --ColinFine (talk) 17:14, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Which Wikiprojects might be interested in writing about international treaties?
Hi all

After doing some research for some UN related articles I've discovered some treaties which do not have Wikipedia articles. Does anyone have any suggestions of Wikiprojects who might be interested in writing about any of them? I can only think of Wikiproject Law so far:


 * 1) Nairobi Treaty on the Protection of the Olympic Symbol https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q98488248
 * 2) Brussels Convention Relating to the Distribution of Programme-Carrying Signals Transmitted by Satellite https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q98487293
 * 3) Madrid Agreement Concerning the International Registration of Marks https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12120337
 * 4) Trademark Law Treaty https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11418793
 * 5) Washington Treaty on Intellectual Property in Respect of Integrated Circuits https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q98489149
 * 6) Madrid Agreement Concerning the International Registration of Marks https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12120337
 * 7) Protocol Relating to the Madrid Agreement Concerning the International Registration of Marks https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q98489466
 * 8) Locarno Agreement Establishing an International Classification for Industrial Designs https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q98489480
 * 9) Vienna Agreement Establishing an International Classification of the Figurative Elements of Marks https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q98489785

Thanks very much

John Cummings (talk) 14:43, 28 July 2021 (UTC)


 * See Wikiproject United Nations and Wikiproject International Relations. Zoozaz1 talk  15:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * @John Cummings WikiProject Politics perhaps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:17, 28 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Most of these seem to be about "intellectual property", so the folks at that are interested in copyright (projects listed at Talk:Copyright) might be interested in these. You can also look at projects interested in trademark. -Arch dude (talk) 15:42, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Great suggestions all, thanks very much for your help. John Cummings (talk) 15:52, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Module:Location map
I created this Module:Location map/data/India Kolkata Metro, but when I am using it in the articles, the map points are coming incorrect.  Saha</b> ❯❯❯ <b style="color:#0043AF"> Stay safe  </b> </b> 15:23, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Pro Wordsmiths -- Scam??
Hello Wiki Team --

Our small company has been working with a company called Pro Wordsmiths that promises to create and submit a Wikipedia page for our brand. It was a couple of thousand dollars and it has now been over a year with very little communication from them. Has anyone else had this experience or have further information?

They told us we can check Wikipedia to prove that our page has been submitted to be approved or denied. Can anyone let me know how to do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BobWilliams1979 (talk • contribs)
 * I don't know anything about the specific company, but please be aware that Wikipedia does not endorse any organizations promising to create articles for pay, and our experience is that a significant proportion of them are scams. Not a single one can guarantee been an article will be accepted, even if it is, there is no guarantee that it won't be materially rewritten or proposed for deletion.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  18:38, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * What is the name of your company? ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  18:42, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , what my colleagues above say is correct - it is very possible that you have been dealing with a person or company who has done nothing here at all on your behalf, or who has been editing in violation of our policies on editing for pay; their efforts may very well have been deleted a very short time after they made them. If you would be willing to reveal the name of your company, we can investigate. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  18:56, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This company does advertise Wikipedia services on their website []. I checked the COI noticeboard and there's no record of them.  I can't recall if I've ever seen any disclosures from anyone claiming to be from them, so they may very likely be doing UPE. I looked them up on LinkedIn and there are no people associated with their company page, and the address and phone number there doesn't match the one on their web site. Many flags.  Sorry you were scammed by them. You can report them on Trustpilot to protect others in the future. Also, if you don't tell us your company name, we're limited in how much we can advise you about your chances for having an article approved, and more importantly, we won't be able to block this scammer in the future.  Nonetheless, if you enter your company name in the "Search Wikipedia" box above and then click on the red link that appears at the top of the search results, you can see the deletion history (if indeed they ever actually did create an article for you). If it's blank, they did nothing. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:48, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Bro! You were scammed. Think about it. You paid a company for a Wikipedia article then they ghosted you. That’s the first flag. The second is that with basic research you would have figured out that the best way to get an article on here is naturally based on being notable and numerous sources based on your business history.

Having a Wikipedia article doesn’t always work in your favour either. If something negative happened with your business and it’s notable it will be added to the article as well which could have negative effects.

I wish you the best. 47.54.46.16 (talk) 22:25, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much, everyone! I appreciate all of the info and your time.

Image help
Hi my fellow editors :D...

So last night, I uploaded a new cropped version of the 2012 image of Bakir Izetbegović from this to this. Now, it seems that it's a bit broken haha. When I, for example, open that newly cropped image on the 2014 Bosnian general election article, it looks completely normal, but when I go to his own article, it goes back to the old image, the first one, plus the old image looks elongated and not in "HD" quality. But when I click on that "old" image to open it fully, it goes back to my new, normal looking, cropped version of it. However, when I'm on my mobile phone, the new cropped version of the image looks comepletely normal no matter what article I go on. You can even look in the image's on Commons that I had changed it a lot because of this problem. Can somebody please look a bit into this? Bakir123 (talk) 19:17, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks normal to me, using Firefox. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:30, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * @Bakir123 Try this: Bypass your cache. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:34, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

@<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) and @Gråbergs Gråa Sång It's weird because when I go on Chrome, it looks weird, but when I go on Microsoft Edge's search, it's completely normal. I'll try the bypass Gråbergs. Bakir123 (talk) 19:40, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Edit: It worked! Thanks! Bakir123 (talk) 19:53, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Organization of the 'What links here' page
How is the Special:WhatLinksHere page organized? It doesn't seem to be purely alphabetical. Why are some pages near the top and others near the bottom? For example, why is Geyser at the top of Special:WhatLinksHere\Waikato River?&thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 20:01, 28 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi . According to the help page at MediaWiki, The "What Links Here" special page orders using the page IDs, meaning it's going by creation date of the pages. Isabelle 🔔 20:12, 28 July 2021 (UTC)


 * They're sorted by page ID, which is a sequential number assigned to the page when they are created. Why does the start of the list appear to be alphabetical? I think it's because when the project swapped from UseModWiki to the original version of mediawiki User:Conversion script imported the articles in roughly alphabetical order. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 20:20, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

How should I structure a nested cite?
I am developing an article that makes multiple references to a number of books. I have therefore listed the books at the end of the article thus (Source B): * and use sfn to refer to various pages as required. On one page is a quote from a journal to which I do not have access. Since it is a good book, it has a reference to the original article (though without the title) from which I can construct a reference (Source A): * However, since I have not seen the journal, the advice in Citing_sources is to state 'Source A cited in Source B'. If I try to do this in my reference section, I get a duplicate error for Source B, as it also exists as a source on its own. If I say 'Source A cited in ', I get a little number for Source B, and a new set of references at the bottom of the article (under the categories and everything).

How should I structure this nested cite?--Verbarson (talk) 22:22, 28 July 2021 (UTC)


 * - You don't need to quote your sources' sources. Just quote the book you are using in the usual way. Mjroots (talk) 04:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC)


 * , not sure if User:Mjroots is necessarily correct. He's not wrong either, I don't believe there is a rule written down, so do what you think best. For my part, I figure that if the reader wants to verify that the material is correct, she might well want to go to directly to the source of the material, for any of a number of reasons. I personally just combine the two sources with "cited at", like this (bolded here just for ease of finding):

* cited at Again, that's my personal style only. Herostratus (talk) 05:18, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * - I've corrected your comment. I'm male . Hope you don't mind. Mjroots (talk) 05:24, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Sutcliffe Jugend Band
Hi, Can you please inform us why the 45 year history and discog of our band is no longer on Wikipedia? We are big supporters of what you represent.

Kind regards Paul Taylor and Kevin Tomkins Formerly of Sutcliffe Jugend Known now as Sutcliffe No More. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c4:3c80:e701:81e9:59aa:7476:d3c0 (talk) 23:27, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Sutcliffe Jügend is why. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 23:42, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That's correct. Granted, your article should most probably not have been deleted, as there are plenty of sources to make a decent article and it unquestionably meets the general notability guidelines (and people are supposed to check that before nomination and deleting articles, but often don't). However, the sources are obscure. There's nothing in the Guardian or whatever. This does matter some, different people feel differently about how much.


 * It depends somewhat on the luck of draw as to whether there's enough research and discussion and thoughtfullness in a deletion discussion, and you guys drew the short straw. There's nothing anybody can do about it now, sorry, as we're a fast moving busy website and we only review these decisions of there's a procedural error rather than just bad luck or difference of opinion. Herostratus (talk) 03:51, 30 July 2021 (UTC)