Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 July 6

= July 6 =

asking for an article review
Greetings, I've created a new article and want it to be reviewed so I added on the top of the article this sentence is all things is right in that way? or did I made something wrong! thanks.

but i get this massage "This is a misplaced articles for creation submission. If it is not yet ready for article space, please consider moving it to draft space rather than marking it for deletion. Note: If you are not an administrator or page mover please tag the redirect left behind after the move for deletion using db-r2."
 * I cleaned up your question a bit. That template can only go on drafts. If you want Shahinaz_Gawish reviewed, it will need to be moved to draft space first.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:28, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I removed the template, and cleaned up the article a bit. The New Page Patrol should also be visiting it.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 01:36, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I also added some WikiProjects on the article talk page, to encourage other editors to review the article. GoingBatty (talk) 01:38, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

robert w malone (DR)
where is the article about robert malone, who invented rna? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.124.254.176 (talk) 11:03, 6 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello. I'm afraid you'll have to be clearer. Are you asking about an existing article, that you can't find? Or is this an angry why way of saying "Why isn't there an article about him?" If the latter, the answer is either "because none of our thousands of volunteers has happened to create one yet" or "because he does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability". Our articles RNA and History of RNA biology don't mention anybody called Malone. --ColinFine (talk) 12:29, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * According to Malone's website, he invented mRNA vaccines, not RNA. (There's a slight difference.) While his work is cited in our article on RNA vaccines, we don't seem to have an article about him. (He is conceivably notable under WP:NPROF, given his fairly high h-index.) We're all volunteers, so perhaps someone will get around to writing an article about him someday. Cheers, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 15:26, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Re Sec Mens basketball page
Hi I just found that sec mens basketball page needs to be formated and organized in terms of the sec titles and it needs to be vertical and not horizontal so can it change that to make it more structured. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrkulka (talk • contribs)
 * There is more than one page on basketball that concerns Sec Men. Which one are you referring to? You're better off going to that article's talk page and talking about it there. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:51, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

The one I am talking about is the list of southeastern conference champions wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrkulka (talk • contribs) 17:44, 6 July 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅ If you're refering to the List of Southeastern Conference men's basketball champions article, I just reverted a number of edits that made changes to the formatting of the Regular season championships by school section. It was those changes that messed up the appearance of sections. Cmr08 (talk) 18:38, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Peter R. de Vries article lock
Peter R. de Vries was shot.

s shot. Big news. Article probably should be locked. 1Veertje (talk) 18:47, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * If there is ongoing vandalism or disruption you can make a request at WP:RFPP RudolfRed (talk) 19:06, 6 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I have added a request there as vandalism is anticipated regardless of outcome. - Simeon (talk) 19:10, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Wiki page
I am looking for the inventor of mRNA Dr. Robert Malone. I was on Wikipedia the other day and his page was there and would like to know what is going on. Thats like someone removing Lebron james's page as if the greatest nba player never existed.
 * See the replies to this question above. RudolfRed (talk) 19:06, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Oh I understand know. Well if you would like to start a page for him that would be great. Here is a great start and if you would like we can provide Harvard and Berkley transcripts so that you know you have the proof that he did should definitely be on Wikipedia after all he is the creator of it.

Dr. Malone has extensive research and development experience in the areas of pre-clinical discovery research, clinical trials, vaccines, gene therapy, bio-defense, and immunology. He has over twenty years of management and leadership experience in academia, pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries, as well as in governmental and non-governmental organizations.

Dr. Malone specializes in clinical research, medical affairs, regulatory affairs, project management, proposal management (large grants and contracts), vaccines and biodefense. This includes writing, developing, reviewing and managing vaccine, bio-threat and biologics clinical trials and clinical development strategies. He has been involved in developing, designing, and providing oversight of approximately forty phase 1 clinical trials and twenty phase 2 clinical trials, as well as five phase 3 clinical trials. He has served as medical director/medical monitor on approximately forty phase 1 clinical trials, and on twenty phase 2 clinical trials, including those run at vaccine-focused Clinical Research Organizations. His proposal development work has yielded clients billions of dollars.

Scientifically trained at UC Davis, UC San Diego, and at the Salk Institute Molecular Biology and Virology laboratories, Dr. Malone is an internationally recognized scientist (virology, immunology, molecular biology) and is known as one of the original inventors of mRNA vaccination and DNA Vaccination. His discoveries in mRNA non viral delivery systems are considered the key to the current COVID-19 vaccine strategies. Dr. Malone holds numerous fundamental domestic and foreign patents in the fields of gene delivery, delivery formulations, and vaccines.

He received his medical training at Northwestern University (MD) and Harvard University (Clinical Research Post Graduate) medical school, and in Pathology at UC Davis.

Dr. Malone has close to 100 peer-reviewed publications and published abstracts and has over 11,477 citations of his peer reviewed publications, as verified by Google Scholar. His google scholar ranking is “outstanding” for impact factors. He has been an invited speaker at over 50 conferences, has chaired numerous conferences and he has sat on or served as chairperson on numerous NIAID and DoD study sections.


 * Who is "we"? 331dot (talk) 19:14, 6 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The collapsed material is not very likely to be used, as it toes the line of being promotional towards Malone. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:02, 6 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but you do not in fact understand. Wikipedia is written in a chaotic crowdsourced fashion by approximately 100,000 volunteers in any given month. Each volunteer does whatever tasks seem interesting to them. There is no overall coordinating authority that assigns tasks. Only a few of us like to answer questions here at the help desk, and most of us here are not interested in writing requested articles. If you wish to see this article on Wikipedia, you will need to write it yourself, but that will require that you learn how. Please look at a few articles about notable people in similar fields to your subject to see what an article should look like, then go look at WP:YFA. -Arch dude (talk) 22:27, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You can take a look at this article as an example: Scott Halstead, but you can see that you have a long way to go to get from where you are above to a decent article. It's not an easy task, even for experienced editors. I also second that you visit WP:YFA. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  00:11, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Linking my translation of a article to the original articel
Hello,

I made a german translation version of the articel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_project_twin. My article is this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Digitaler_Projektzwilling. I wanted to link my article to the original version in english but it doesnt work. Can somebody help me please?

Sincerely, Stokar99 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stokar99 (talk • contribs) 19:47, 6 July 2021 (UTC)


 * You presumably intended to create that draft in the German Wikipedia, not here in the English Wikipedia? You need to read the advice at WP:TRANSLATEUS.   --David Biddulph (talk) 19:56, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

What sources can I cite?
I am a newbie and am getting rather discouraged with my well-meaning attempts to add technical content on subjects I consider myself to be an expert. I hope that this is one (or two) overzealous editors, rather than official Wikipedia policy --- see evidence of reverts below [A, B]. I have posted on the Talk page of the article ("Object detection") but that has not resulted in a resolution.

Here is the gist of my doubt leading to frustration:
 * I want to cite relevant and reputable sources to back up my technical writing.


 * If I cite a blog post, it is being reverted indicating blog posts are frowned upon. This is not any random blog but a highly respected one in Data Science called https://towardsdatascience.com. Several writers write for this blog (I am not one of them, so don't have a conflict). There are many other blog sites that put out respected articles in ML and more broadly computer science topics.

If I cite technical papers too much, then justifiably the article becomes unreadable to the wide audience. And justifiably the warning message goes up that there is too much reliance on primary sources.
 * If I cite a .com address, it is being reverted indicating that it is a commercial source. This is not an openly commercial posting but rather many Data Science postings come from commercial organizations which are heavily research focused such as https://openai.com/, https://deepai.org/.

Evidence: [A] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Object_detection&type=revision&diff=1032309721&oldid=1032309162

[B] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Object_detection&type=revision&diff=1032185106&oldid=1031604344

Sonata19 (talk) 21:25, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you're being selective in your description of the activity you call overzealous. You added a link to Tensorflow's blog [], where they are promoting their product TensorFlow Lite, and used it to source the promotional statement There is a recent explosion of interest in developing object detectors tailor-made to mobile devices. I can see why that would set off concerns that the article is being degraded. If there are scientific blogs you'd like to add, and they are being reverted, you can always discuss them on the article talk page. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  21:47, 6 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the clarification. I learned something from it. My takeaway --- I can cite blog posts but have to be careful when there is commercial promotion in the blog. FWIW, TensorFlow is one of the two most popular Machine Learning toolkits and it is unlikely that a mention of it (or its variant TensorFlow Light) will make any commercial difference. I do not work for Google so have no conflict, but do use TensorFlow Light and find it is a useful framework. I will edit the article to bring in the important technical point, but remove the cites of concern.

Sonata19 (talk) 22:00, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , That's not the right take away. Per WP:BLOGS While that summary might be less definitive than some would like, I don't think it is consonant with your take away.  S Philbrick  (Talk)  00:34, 7 July 2021 (UTC)