Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 June 13

= June 13 =

VAIL COLORADO GONDOLA ACCIDENT
This ropeway accident killed four people and injured eight. It occurred on March 4, 1979. The details were never put into the record. I have a copy of the complete story as published by the Chicago Tribune Press Service. The newsprint is hard to decipher, but I have a clear, printed transcript. I would be happy to mail it (USPS) to Wikipedia or the appropriate individual; someone who is interested and knows how the archives on Ropeway Accidents is managed. Just send the address to my email address or phone me at (redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.211.163.213 (talk)
 * I have removed your contact information for your own protection, as it is not wise to publish it in this public forum. In addition, unless the most sensitive personal information is involved, Wikipedia related matters are handled on Wikipedia, for openness and transparency. Regarding your request, you seem to misunderstand how Wikipedia works- there is no central location to mail stories to for others to write about; volunteer Wikipedia editors write about subjects that interest them and also meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability, summarizing what independent reliable sources state. In this case, we would need more than one source about this accident to write an article about it- and the best way to guarantee that an article is written is to do it yourself, though it is challenging. 331dot (talk) 06:53, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ropeway accident in Vail which killed four people and injured eight fits this incident in 1976. Maproom (talk) 07:26, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a newspaper, and generally accidents aren't worthy of articles, unless it was a terrorist incident, someone famous was killed or possibly gross negligence was the cause (the last being the case with the recent Stresa–Mottarone cable car crash). There was a Sports Illustrated article nearly nine months after the March 1976 accident, but that's about it, and in my judgment, that's not enough to qualify as WP:SUSTAINED coverage. At best, I could see it being included in a List of gondola accidents, if that were created. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:32, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * "Unless [...] someone famous was killed": Clarityfiend, is this true? I do realize that Wikipedia is besotted with celebrity, but celebs anyway tend to get their own thanatographies. -- Hoary (talk) 08:57, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Death of James Dean, The Day the Music Died, 1999 South Dakota Learjet crash, 2020 Calabasas helicopter crash? Clarityfiend (talk) 09:25, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Per WP:AIRCRASH (only an essay, but still mostly followed), "For accidents involving light aircraft ... or any military aircraft the standard for inclusion is:
 * The accident involved the death of a person of sufficient individual notability to have their own biography page in Wikipedia ..." Clarityfiend (talk) 09:30, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * "The accident resulted in a significant change to the aircraft design or aviation operations". That's another valid reason for an article, but doesn't apply here. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:46, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Information about the accident is included in Vail_Ski_Resort. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 15:25, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation page replaced
Looking through new users' pages, I came across The Day Before. I made a few copy edits. But then I noticed something strange in the history - until recently this was a disambiguation page. It seems the recent editor replaced that with this article, losing the old disambiguation function in the process. Being new, they may not appreciate what a disambiguation page is. Any suggestions how to proceed? In particular, I am aware of the need to retain edit history for both the DAB page and the article.--Gronk Oz (talk) 07:39, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I am torn between just restoring the dab page, as the game has, not surprisingly, no sources for any of the gameplay or specs, or moving the game to The Day Before (video game) and adding it to the restored dab page. Leaning toward the former. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:42, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * In that case it might be best to take it to the article talk page?--Shantavira|feed me 11:45, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I doubt the article Talk page would get enough editors involved for a meaningful discussion.  if I were to create that new article for the game, is there any way to keep the edit history?  Or would it just start from today with me apparently creating it de novo?--Gronk Oz (talk) 17:06, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer to keep the edit history with the dab page. As for the game, only the intro is worth salvaging as far as I can see. You could just attribute that in the edit comment. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:09, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I've reverted the page to a disambiguation page. Sneaking an article onto Wikipedia by hijacking a page intended for another purpose is dishonest. If the "upcoming" (a word usually used here to mean "not notable yet, but") zombie game can be shown to be notable, then I expect someone will create an article about it by honest methods, and link to it from the disambiguation page. Maproom (talk) 22:34, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Wise advice, as always. Thanks.--Gronk Oz (talk) 01:27, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Shaquille.oatmeal3333 - removing maintenance templates & Edit Warring.
Good Day, I would like to bring to your attention continuous unconstructive Edits and Edit Warring by The page in question is.

Recently User deleted the maintenance templates of the page - [1]. which was reverted with message being left wrt ( Template:Uw-tdel2 ) on User talk:Shaquille.oatmeal3333. USER deleted the Maintenance templates again (despite the 1st Warning) -[2], with ZERO Explanation/summary. This too was reverted - with Template:Uw-tdel3 added to User talk:Shaquille.oatmeal3333, but to no avail. Shaquille.oatmeal3333 has once again deleted the maintenance templates. Thereby showing an inclination to engage in WP:EW. User had also reverted an edit which sought to TONE down the Promotional Overtone of the Article - [here]

From User talk:Shaquille.oatmeal3333, it is evident that Shaquille.oatmeal3333 has done the same thing in the past and was warned against it by another Editor in May 2021. Shaquille.oatmeal3333 is obviously closely attached to the Article in question and is engaging in WP:PROMO and not adhering to WP:NPOV and in the process is generating a WP:COI. The Article itself has no References other than a mention as a dog park & a train line passing through it. I am reporting this because I don't Want to run foul of WP:3RR --Thank you, --STC1 (talk) 11:26, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Edit warring reports go to WP:ANEW, long term behavioral problems to WP:ANI. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:48, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Note Blocked (indef) Eagleash (talk) 12:04, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * [WP:ANI]]. Got it. Thank You.
 * OK. Understood. Thank You. -- STC1 (talk) 12:12, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The account was blocked by who had become involved at the page. As the disruption was persistent, current and ongoing I had taken it to WP:AIV and the block was immediate, but my request probably 'overlapped'. FWIW I am fairly certain I have seen a similalrly named disruptive account at some point in the last 2 or 3 years. Eagleash (talk) 15:32, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * - I didn't even know that WP:AIV existed. I only knew about WP:ANI & WP:AN. Everyday I learn something new. Anyways about the USER in question, I've been noticing their constant reluctance to allow edits to this particular page, and had reported it in a previous month, admins then had cancelled his reverts, but new month and same story repeats again. Anyways, Thank you very much for your help, the USER (Shaquille.oatmeal3333) had also vandalised my userpage, which was reverted by editors. --STC1 (talk) 15:43, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Using the infobox for settlements: auto population density.
While editing this page: Monroe County, New York I tried to enable  but it seemed to have no effect. How do I know what failed? There was no indication of missing information.

Also, besides being a rather computer-literate software engineer, I am a novice with the Wikipedia ecosystem, including this Help desk. Sorry for any breeches of etiquette or style.

Thanks, Aheckmann (talk) 15:10, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Aheckmann, I think you have mastered talk page etiquette. I checked the template for the infobox used in the article and unfortunately Template:Infobox U.S. county states "Population density ... Must be entered manually, as the template does not currently support automatic calculations based on population divided by area." TSventon (talk) 15:43, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I thought my edited page was a "settlement" infobox, but I must have read that from another, open browser tab. Since "u.s. county" is a wrapper for "settlement", how difficult do you think it is to add an auto-calculated field like that? Aheckmann (talk) 16:32, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Aheckmann, sorry, I have no idea. I see you have asked at the template talk page, which is a good idea. If you don't get an answer here or at the talk page you could try Village pump (technical). TSventon (talk) 17:13, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Mystery category on Template:GWR Locomotives
Navbar GWR Locomotives is in Category:Rail transport navigational boxes of the United Kingdom. I cannot see the category either in the source for the template, nor on its doc page GWR Locomotives/doc. How is this category applied?--Verbarson (talk) 18:44, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It's on the doc page, in a  block (which makes only the base template get categorized and not the doc page itself or the template's sandbox. * Pppery * it has begun...  18:46, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. When I saw the doc page was not categorised, I didn't look any further into the source. I wll read up on Sandbox other.--Verbarson (talk) 18:56, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Text/Image flow control: Glens Falls Hospital
Aside from

, which would not help here (Glens Falls Hospital), is there a way to have the =History= section begin to the right of the image on the left, or, as a second choice, right after that (emgergency care center) image. Pi314m (talk) 18:52, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I moved the image so it doesn't interfere with the section header, which i think is an improvement. But I'm not sure if that is what you meant. MB 19:22, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for trying. What I'm looking for, if it's possible, is to have =History= begin much higher up, without the large empty space. Pi314m (talk) 20:22, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You could add . In my preview at least, that fixes the problem. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:11, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not a readability problem as it is, and I'd just say leave it. Yes the gap is kind of annoying, but it's present on essentially every article. Mcguy15  (talk, contribs) 22:07, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ask yourself if that image on the left is really necessary. I mean  necessary.  For me, I don't think that an image of a hospital emergency entrance that could be any emergency entrance to any hospital doesn't do anything for the article.  Were it up to me, I'd bin it.  And also, MOS:SANDWICH...
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 22:59, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Please document somewhere: to avoid unpleasant/"annoying" gaps
 * do not use
 * BEFORE ==History== (or whatever section comes after LEAD),
 * place [the "5" can be 2 or 99 if you want]
 * I noticed this odd/but works combination in Roswell Park Comprehensive Cancer Center. Now Glens Falls Hospital is OK

(the article, not necessarily the hospital's finances).
 * P.S. more on this topic, from when I escalated, is at WP:VPT Pi314m (talk) 14:06, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * Welcome to Wikipedia. You may ask questions about how to edit here.  For experimenting or learning to edit, please use the WP:SANDBOX RudolfRed (talk) 20:38, 13 June 2021 (UTC)