Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 June 14

= June 14 =

A deliberate propaganda
If you take two minutes, you can see that 2 3 editors are running a campaign on purpose. this is a complete blind loop. We cannot enter data because they have blocked us. you say "you can go and contribute". but they do not allow it. review the history of the page. they reject and delete resources. but they cite an interview done a week ago as a source. I am not threatening. just stop these malicious people. You can see that they are just making propaganda by reading the page history.

In a sub-title, almost all sources are Armenian. In addition, there are writers who have Armenian chairs in other sources. Example :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_War_of_Independence#Ethnic_cleansing 97 Kevorkian Armenian 98 Kevorkian Armenian 99 Kevorkian Armenian 100 Kevorkian Armenian 101 Kevorkian Armenian 61 Avedian Armenian

example of denial of resources : 22:15, 8 May 2021‎ Buidhe talk contribs‎ 106,390 bytes −821‎ →‎top: these are just reviews repeating mc carthy's claims, and have no independent value (except for the reception of his book)

This is a Turkish phobia. When you read this editor's other posts and see him reject sources, you will see that he is neutral and has created a campaign.

Template linking going wrong
Got a template called Template:2021 New Zealand Women's Northern League but when you click view or edit, it takes you to Template:2021 New Zealand Northern League instead, what have I done wrong here?— NZFC  (talk) (cont)  03:28, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Make sure you update the parameter "template_name" too. I went ahead and fixed it for you. --SuperJew (talk) 05:23, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Article Rejected
I have tried multiple times to publish a article but it rejected, please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4060:287:6CDB:9CC0:48D2:D5FE:8686 (talk) 11:01, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If you can find several reliable independent published sources with in-depth discussion of the subject (currently the draft has none), then rewrite the draft from scratch, basing it on what they say. They needn't be in English. If you can't find such sources, then there's nothing to be done. Maproom (talk) 14:07, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Template broken
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but there seems to be a problem with Template:UN_Population. For example, on the page Europe,  renders as "" for some reason. As we all know, the population of Europe isn't just over 2 million. Also, the population in India is apparently "". Seems like the template generates 2,015,496, but I can't figure out what's causing the problem. 223.17.177.154 (talk) 12:23, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


 * It looks to be okay now- someone made changes to the template, which have been reverted, as it was causing issues. You may need to purge your browser cache if it's still displaying incorrectly. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:27, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


 * It's fine now, thank you. 223.17.177.154 (talk) 12:46, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Move a page
Where is the link to move a page? (The IP address known as Wallglobemat) 108.82.128.236 (talk) 13:51, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


 * As an IP account you need to follow the Requested moves process. If the move is uncontroversial, see the technical section. TSventon (talk) 13:59, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Where is the link to move a page (I am on the Kindle Paperwhite)? Wallglobemat (talkand contribs) 14:03, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I have found it myself. It is Special:MovePage/example. Wallglobemat (talkand contribs) 15:05, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Editing a Page Preview Pop-Up
On the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_Harman, the page preview pop-up for Geneva Conventions says, "The Geneva Conventions states that by saying with all due respect it implies you can then say whatever you want!", which is clearly not what the Geneva Conventions stand for, but I cannot find a place to be able to edit the page preview. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryan.Bonner (talk • contribs) 15:57, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You happened upon that at the wrong moment. The page preview pop up is the first few sentences of the article being previewed.  You edit the popup by editing the article.  Someone changed the lead sentence of the article about the Geneva Convention to what you saw.  An automated vandalism-detection program changed it back less than a second later.  You must have seen the preview in the portion of a second between it being changed and reverted back. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 16:00, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

It still says the same thing I wrote above on the page preview when I hover over it, even though the main page does not. I tried attaching a screenshot I took one minute ago but was not allowed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryan.Bonner (talk • contribs)
 * You are correct. Page Previews shows a cached version of a page. It still displayed the vandalism which was reverted four days ago. I have fixed it by purging Geneva Conventions. ONUnicorn may use Navigation popups, a similar feature used by many editors. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:20, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you!

Need help on the new sneaker pimps album to add it to the 2021 albums list
Hi could someone help me find and add a better ref for the new sneakers pimps album i'm kind of stuck on what to do because that isn't a valid ref.
 * Taken care of. QuietHere (talk) 16:26, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Andrew beckdog
An american rapper who works at rpry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.148.185.80 (talk) 17:25, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is created and edited by volunteers, who work on what they are interested in. If you want to see a topic added, you either need to write the article yourself (see Your first article), or get another editor interested in working on the article - it's possible you will find somebody if you post at WT:WikiProject Hiphop; but no guarantees. --ColinFine (talk) 17:50, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Deleted SPI case question
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/2603:8000:CC01:2FB4:81B6:4C53:1C84:F682 This SPI page was deleted with the comment "See the closing clerk's comment". Where is that comment? Is it on the deleted page only, or is there a page somewhere accessable with the comments?

I am not familiar with all the clerking stuff in SPI and I am wondering if now that the page is deleted if there is anyway to see the referrenced comments. RudolfRed (talk) 18:04, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The closing comments (from User:Dreamy Jazz) were as follows:
 * "The changing IPs does not suggest sockpuppetry as a user, especially in certain ISPs, may have several IP addresses which may or may not be in a similar range. The very similar geolocation of the IP addresses suggests this is not a deliberate use of different IP address ranges to present as a different person. Therefore, as the sockpuppetry policy has not been violated here, this is not the right place to request further action with regards to these IP addresses. Close. Archiving clerk: as this is a IP only SPI case where sockpuppetry has not occurred due to dynamic IPs, deletion may be the better option here."


 * —Deor (talk) 18:48, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. RudolfRed (talk) 18:57, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

I tried to create a page on one of my Ancestors
Hi there

I tried to create a page on one of my ancestors who was a highly decorated Pilot in the RNZAF/RAF in ww2 who was an unsung war hero who was decorated 5 seperate times for bravery and had a book written about him after the War. I spent hours trying to create the page only for someone in Wikipedia to say that they didn’t think it would be interesting to people and disallowed the page ! I very much disagree with that short sighted point of view what can I do this was my first ever attempt at contributing to Wikipedia

Regards

Zayne van Bommel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bommer76 (talk • contribs) 18:27, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Help Desk. When you create an article about somebody you have a relationship, you have something we call a conflict of interest. Editing with a conflict of interest is not forbidden, its just harder. I assume this is about Draft:Maechel Anthony Ensor (formerly Draft:Maechel Anthony "Mick" Ensor DSO & Bar, DFC & Bar, AFC), if this is about a different draft, please state which. Unfortunally, it has been deleted on May 2nd because it appeared to be too similar to this copyrighted website, something which is a big no-no here. I am not an admin here and therefore are unable to check the deleted revisions. The pathway from here depends on wether the copyright holder of the text agrees to license the text under a Wikipedia-compatible license. If they do, the draft can be restored and we can work from there. If they don't, well, we cannot use the text here. Courtesy ping for who deleted the draft. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:55, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see anywhere where someone said they "didn't think it would be interesting to people". Perhaps you could point out where someone said that?  You may be misinterpreting the message left at your talk page that read, "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people)."  This is not about interestingness, which is subjective.  It's about verifiability - ensuring that readers can look up the information in Wikipedia articles in other published material.  If you have questions about our policies on verifiability, notablility, and reliable sources, feel free to ask.  However, compliance with these policies is required in order for an article to remmain on this website. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 19:28, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Talkpage Rearranging Inquery
Hello! I've got some conversations in my talkpage. Could i delete or hide or archive them? Please someone help me.Muhammad Shafayet Hossain (talk) 19:07, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can delete or hide or archive them. See Help:archive for some methods of archiving a talk page. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 19:30, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot.Muhammad Shafayet Hossain (talk) 19:51, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


 * on your user talk page, you are allowed to remove almost anything you want to. See WP:REMOVED for the few things you are not allowed to delete.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:58, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your information. I've already archived previous conversations. I think removing all of them, is unnecessary. So, i kept them in an archive. Thanks again.Muhammad Shafayet Hossain (talk) 11:49, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

My post
Funny because I wrote the entire article on Traces of War exclusively from both the book and the Bravery citations so no they do not own the copyright on anything that is written ! Also if you look at the bottom of the page all sources of information were referenced and cited at the bottom of the page

Regards

Zayne — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bommer76 (talk • contribs)


 * This seems to be related to the question above about the Maechel Anthony Ensor article. Unfortunately, even if you did write the article on the Traces of War website, you gave up copyright to that text when you submitted it to them. Their terms and conditions page says By submitting your information and / or content, you surrender the full right of use for use on the websites and projects of STIWOT. STIWOT has the full right to use all information and content in the websites and projects. So it appears that they do own the copyright to this text and it cannot be used on Wikipedia, even if the subject of the article were notable. CodeTalker (talk) 20:14, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The "right of use" statement on that web site is ambiguous. Since the word "copyright" does not appear, this does not appear to to be a "writing" that constitutes a transfer of ownership of the copyright. It appears to be an unrestricted non-exclusive license from the copyright holder to the web site. However, the volunteers here are not lawyers, and we cannot make a decision about this, so we must treat this as if that web site owns the copyright. If you want to affirm that you are still the copyright owner, you will need to send an e-mail to the professionals. See WP:OTRS. It will be easier to simply re-write the material. But you will still need to establish notability by references to some appropriate published sources. See WP:CSMN -Arch dude (talk) 05:18, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Presumably some of the sources at Ensor, Maechel Anthony "Mick" would be usable on WP too (haven't read them so I can't say for sure), but you have to ref them WP-style, see WP:TUTORIAL. I don't think Tracesofwar itself would be considered a WP:RS. Perhaps you can find interested editors at WT:MILHIST. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:45, 15 June 2021 (UTC)