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= June 21 =

unSALT, 7 years later?
Can someone with appropriate access see if SALT is still needed for Andy Kurtzig. (The admin from back then has retired from Wiki). Pi314m (talk) 03:32, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If you want to create a new article, try to take it to AfC. I didn’t see enough coverage for him but you can always try. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  04:11, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I think there might be more than enough coverage now for an article. For example: Mercury News, Wall Street Journal, Huffpost. --- Possibly &#9742; 04:37, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions. Does your "might be" plus the passing of seven years indicate that it's time to unSALT the 'Andy Kurtzig' title? Pi314m (talk) 10:56, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Rather than prescriptively preemptively unsalting, I suggest that if you think there is now enough material for an article, you create a draft and submit it for review. If it is accepted, then the reviewer will override the salt. --ColinFine (talk)
 * I strongly support ColinFine's suggestion.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  14:14, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Guidelines on adding hyperlinks to commercial tools
Hello Wikipedia community,

I have a quick question regarding guidelines on adding hyperlinks to free commercial, not open-source, tools. There's a company called what3words (www.what3words.com) that has made it really easy and human-friendly to find, navigate to, and share precise locations by turning coordinates into unique 3-word addresses. It's also completely free.

I noticed that several wiki pages on monuments and other points of interest have coordinates (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Response_Monument) and street addresses. Coordinates aren't very human-friendly, so a 3-word equivalent (e.g. take.raves.during) that leads to the what3words page (https://what3words.com/take.raves.during) I think would be far better - and since what3words isn't a navigation tool, folks are free to use anything (e.g. google maps, apple maps, bing maps) to actually get there.

Before I add 3-word addresses to all these different points of interest, wanted to make sure I wasn't breaking any guidelines!

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎Maroon46 (talk • contribs)
 * I'd be against anything like this, co-ordinates are encylopedic as something that have been used for generations, and have scientific(geographical basings), rather than a website that allocates info pretty arbritrarily. At the very least, no we shouldn't be linking to a website in this way. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:29, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The Village Pump might be better suited to a discussion like this- that said, I don't know what the actual guidelines are, but I would expect that doing such a thing would require demonstrating that this system is in widespread use and not just a commercial tool that exists. 331dot (talk) 11:30, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * What3words is a commercial company using a secret proprietary system to assign and decode the words, meaning you have to use them to find out where a 3-word address is. They don't allow others to make it possible, and threaten them with lawsuits if they try. I see no chance of Wikipedia supporting this. We already have a system where you can click coordinates and access many services including your examples Google Maps, Apple Maps, Bing Maps. Template:Coord is used in 1.2 million articles. Thanks for not adding links. It would quickly get you blocked for spamming. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:23, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Per the above, we generally avoid linking to commercial services entirely unless they are the subject of the article, or absolutely unavoidably ubiquitous. Besides that, replacing coordinates with arbitrary words just seems kindof dumb. Users can already click on the coords. Or they can paste them into pretty much anything, because it's a universal standard. On it's face, this doesn't seem more or less useful than translating coords into emojis. Not like we're using Mayan glyphs. Most people fairly well understand how Arabic numerals work.  G M G  talk  12:34, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Ah, thank you all! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maroon46 (talk • contribs) 12:36, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm a strong supporter of What3words, because 1) words are much more memorable than coordinates, and 2) they have mapped the entire world, to iirc 3m square cells. Nevertheless, I agree that Wikipedia should not be linking to them for locations. --ColinFine (talk) 12:56, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Inaccurate story
Hi There are inaccuracies in this story on Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%9322_European_Rugby_Challenge_Cup#:~:text=The%202021%E2%80%9322%20European%20Rugby%20Challenge%20Cup%20is%20the,26th%20edition%20of%20European%20club%20rugby's%20second-tier%20competition.

There will be five Gallagher Premiership clubs from England competing in the European Challenge Cup next season including Worcester Warriors.

Our omission from the story is inaccurate and is causing us issues with Season Ticket Holders and sponsors as it implies that we shall have three fewer home matches next season.

The tournament organisers have confirmed that the Challenge Cup will operate with one additional Premiership club next season.

Thanks Paul Bolton Communications Manager Worcester Warriors 07966 102 495


 * Please direct your concerns to Talk:2021–22 European Rugby Challenge Cup as an edit request. Be sure to provide a reliable source. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:00, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Possible conflict-of-interest editing
Hey all,

So I came across this article, which appears to have been edited by the subject.

I'm not experienced enough to know how to deal with this, so I just wanted to let someone know about this.

Thanks,  Beesechurg   18:18, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * You should discuss it at the conflict of interest noticeboard (WP:COIN.) TFD (talk) 18:31, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting us know. You're right there seems to be some Conflict of Interest in that article. Since, the article was originally published a long time ago in 2014 and the most recent editor's edits don't seem to be of promotional intent, I have left a warning cum welcome message on their talk page that shall help them understand Wikipedia's rules. Thanks again. Cheers! CX Zoom (talk) 18:36, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Need help from editors who've worked with TemplateData tool
Hello, I just created a new template Linear-gradient text. I created a complete list of all parameters using the TemplateData tool, but I have no idea what to put under the "Type" column of certain parameters, i.e., I'm not sure if the parameter is of "string", "line", "content", etc. type. Someone, please visit here: Template:Linear-gradient_text and fix the parameter-type data. I have already put an exhaustive list of examples (Template:Linear-gradient_text) that make it very clear on the part of the user, but I wanted to make sure that the TemplateData tool is just as exhaustive. Thanks. Cheers! CX Zoom (talk) 18:49, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * here, I'll check it out and add the appropriate data. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 21:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey, thank you again. CX Zoom (talk) 15:29, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Easier way to see a page's move history?
I've been using the move log tool, but it's cumbersome because you have to enter the former name of the page rather than the current name (so you have to dig through the page's history to find its original name), and it only shows one entry at a time. Is there anywhere I can see an article's entire move history in one place? Rublov (talk) 22:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

OKSANA GRISHUK
Hello My name is Oksana Grishuk. I read my wikipedia information and found quit a bit inaccurate. Please except proper changes to my true story and not using some lies and gossips. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎2600:8802:310c:3700:414b:c7b6:9ed:8521 (talk)
 * Please visit Talk:Oksana Grishuk and make an edit request(click for instructions), detailing the nature of the errors. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources say, but if those sources are in error, we need to know about it.  If you have independent sources of your own to support changes(instead of just removal), please offer them(we can't, unfortunately just take your word). 331dot (talk) 22:57, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Editing on Mobile
Hi! I asked this question before, but I think I worded it confusingly, I think. Whenever I edit on mobile, I have difficulty because my iPhone won't let me do '' but only " Do any mobile iPhone editors know how to get around this? Cinemacriterion (talk) 23:38, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I slightly modified your post to try and make it clearer what you are asking, but did not totally succeed. The question is about two ' instead of one ", right?  And are you using the web page interface or the iOS app?  RudolfRed (talk) 00:02, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You did it right! And the web page interface. Cinemacriterion (talk) 00:03, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * here are several using my iPhone ' but I had to keep back because after one it would switch to the querty layout again and give me an m

RudolfRed (talk) 00:16, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I tried switching to desktop mode and got same behavior, very odd and annoying. No other special character does that.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:19, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * How did you do that on iPhone? Cinemacriterion (talk) 16:39, 22 June 2021 (UTC)