Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 June 4

= June 4 =

Orphaned articles
Hello! A task that I quite enjoy is de-orphaning articles but some of them are quite difficult. Like surnames. Which articles would you recommend I link to surnames? I did look on WP:DISAMBIGUATION, but I couldn't figure it out. Also, if one goes on Special:LonelyPages and scrolls down to the Cs, one will see many molecular-type things such as C11H16BrNO3. How does one deorphan those, too? Thank you. :) Abillionradios (talk) 02:41, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Most of these are disambiguation pages, and there's no reason that they should be linked to other pages. In most cases, other articles shouldn't need to link to disambiguation pages, as they should link to the article instead. See Orphan. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:57, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * That's perfect. Thanks so much . Abillionradios (talk) 10:53, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

High heels
There are't many pics of high heeled shoes and sketches,videos as well so please help me get those things — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonimiese (talk • contribs)
 * That's not what Wikipedia is for. You could try looking on search engines for those. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:13, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's sister project, Wikimedia Commons, has many pictures of high heeled shoes, which you can explore starting here. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:15, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Log i n problen
I did have an account but that was before a fire and near broken neck and I'v e also changed m#y email.

Can you help as I havent a clue how to fix the problem
 * If you no longer have access to your old email account, there is no way to retrieve your old password. What people normally do in these circumstances is to create a new account and mention on their User Page that they have previously edited under another username, which I assume you can remember. If you can't remember the old account name, try looking in the History of articles you remember editing and seek out possibilities there. Good luck with your recovery. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:04, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

changing name of a page / company
Hello, we change the name of the company and i cant change the name of the page. Any advice ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam100ifm (talk • contribs) 14:20, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * First of all, please review WP:COI and WP:PAID and make the required disclosures. After that, you may propose a page move at the article talkpage or requested moves. But please be aware that we don't nessesarely use the "offial" or legal name. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:39, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * To expand on Victor's answer somewhat, if reliable sources refer to the company as something other than its legal or official name (i.e., its common name), that will be prioritised. Official or legal names are usually still found in the lead section. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:13, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

About deleting Draft:America: The Motion Picture
I am considering deleting Draft:America: The Motion Picture because there is already an article named America: The Motion Picture in the mainspace. 216.154.8.89 (talk) 14:51, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. Since several editors have contributed to that draft, you would need to take it to miscellany for deletion. --ColinFine (talk) 22:45, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Archive Parameters in Cite Template
I am archiving a link with a Cite Template, but there are so many parameters and it's hard to check each of them. I know the consequence of parameters doesn't matter and it works all the time, but can you suggest me how to arrange them in the most-used or easiest-to-check order? Please include these: P.S. I am communicating with other users for the first time in the English wikipedia and I'm not native, so please understand me if my words are a bit awkard :) --Uconhe (talk) 14:52, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * url, archive-url, url-status
 * 1) date, archive-date, access-date
 * 2) title, autor, format, website, publisher, language
 * WP:CITET has numerous examples, and yes, any parameter you don't use you can just leave out. You can also use the citation option in the edit window; it will create the citation template, with ref tags, for you.  In general, it depends on the type of source.  For print sources, I would consider author, title, and date to be the most vital, while for online sources I would add URL and access date to that.  I used to code these all by hand back in the day, but to be honest I pretty much always use the "cite" tool in the menu at the top of the edit window now.  It does a good job of prompting me to fill out the important stuff, and it leaves out any parameters I don't use, so as to cut down on unnecessary markup.  -- Jayron 32 16:08, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping me! I actually did use the menu, but I thought that there were no parameters about archived website in the tool menu. Since I noticed I can print them if I click the "Show/hide extra fields" button, I'll more use the menu instead of typing each of them! --Uconhe (talk) 00:29, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

How to create a redirect page
What is the proper way to create a redirect page? Also, what is the difference between using these two templates, below?


 * #REDIRECT Target



Are they both doing the same exact thing? Or is there some distinction, as to when to use one versus the other? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:15, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * The second one, is a template to put a redirect hatnote on the target of a redirect for navigational help. The first one is the way to create a redirect. MB 17:39, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:55, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

edit to add a photo
Hello I tried adding a photo to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Graham_(British_Army_officer)

However i don't know if it went through, when it asked for copyright etc. I chose the last option of not being sure.

The link to the photo is here: https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?p=GDCS&u=acd_artemisp&v=2.1&it=r&id=GALE%7CGW3226340543&asid=1622952000000~a3aaedff

The photo was taken in 1915 so the website can't own rights to it?

It is the only photo I have found of the officer.

Can you please add it to the info for him if it didn't go through?

Regards Will.
 * Howdy hello. So, in this case, the photo is in the public domain, meaning it is not copyrighted. Works published in the US before 1925 are not copyrighted anymore. So you can go ahead and try to upload it again, but this time note that its public domain :) CaptainEek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 19:37, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * ,, the photo was published in Britain in 1915. According to my understanding of commons:Commons:Copyright rules by territory/United Kingdom, this puts it in the public domain; but I believe that Commons will require a specific PD template: "Template:PD-XYZ" (in which I don't know offhand what the XYZ should be). -- Hoary (talk) 23:16, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * , this is a photograph with a known author, [Madame Val?] L'Estrange, London, so my reading of the flowchart at http://web.archive.org/web/20110812112046/http://www.museumscopyright.org.uk/private.pdf is that the Standard copyright term applies, i.e. Life + 70 years. Or am I getting confused? TSventon (talk) 00:14, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * If you're confused, TSventon, then you're less so than I was. I see plenty of mentions of "Val l'Estrange/L'Estrange", but no biographical details. Not knowing when she was born, I'd say that it's very likely that she died before 1951 ... but also that she didn't. So now the situation seems more confused! (Meanwhile, thank you for the link. Very useful.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:05, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * , I found the flowchart in footnote 8 of the Commons Copyright rules. The British Journal of Photography, Volume 74, Page 126 suggests that Mary Frances Hope was in business as Madame Val L'Estrange from 1908 to 1925. TSventon (talk) 02:02, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Good sleuthing, TSventon. If she set up her own business at the age of 28 (let's say), then in 1951 she'd have been 71, and very possibly alive. (Yes, for all I know she might have set up the biz at the age of 48, and therefore by 1951 was most likely dead.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:40, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * , the commons:Commons:Copyright rules says "Assume the most reasonable restrictive copyright barring evidence to the contrary", then gives an example where you assume the photographer was 20 when they took the picture and then dies in their nineties. So we need to assume the photograph is copyright unless the photographer's date of death can be found. TSventon (talk) 03:34, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * , that's just what I was (sadly) thinking. -- Hoary (talk) 05:12, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

we have to assume the photo is copyright as discussed above. It might be possible to upload the photo to en Wikipedia rather than Commons under fair use. You could ask about this at Media copyright questions, where the volunteers should have more relevant experience. TSventon (talk) 12:36, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Accessing Page Content that was Deleted or Removed Through a Redirect
An article I authored about a music album was recently replaced by a page redirect that links to the album's performer. I cannot find a record of the redirect in any deletion log, and no mention was made on my talk page that my authored album article would be removed and replaced with a redirect. I would like to recover some of my work so that I can incorporate it into the album performer's article. How can I find my old article text if there is no deletion log or record of the page being replaced by a redirect? Joeyvandernaald (talk) 17:58, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Is this about 13 Japanese Birds? If so, the history is still there . In general, you can access a redirect either by clicking on the link and then on "Redirected from " or by appending ?redirect=no to the redirect's URL. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:08, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! That worked. The article in question is Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (album).

Wikipedia word count
This page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Size_of_Wikipedia says the English Wikipedia contains over 3.9 billion words, I'd like to know what software is used and which parts of an article count toward this number (do references, lists or tables count?). Tools like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Caorongjin/wordcount and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Prosesize don't count the words inside certain tables, so the contents of the episode list section in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Piece_(season_1) are not counted by either. How is the counting done and which words get counted? Please help, I've asked everywhere. Jasper Norbert (talk) 18:49, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Tagging, the last person to update the word count at Size of Wikipedia.TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  19:03, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to say that I don't know what software is responsible for the word count, nor whether text in tables and references is counted. I just go off the numbers from the Special:Statistics page. Have you tried asking at the Village pump? They deal with more technical issues, and might have a better idea. Another option might be to contact the Wikimedia Foundation directly by emailing them at info@wikimedia.org; they might be able to point you in the right direction. AmericanLemming (talk) 19:09, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There is a tracker at Special:Statistics. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:15, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * there is information about CirrusSearch at mw:Help:CirrusSearch and a talkpage where you might get better answers to your questions. TSventon (talk) 21:04, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Someone answered me at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk. If any of you are curious, it comes from https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-CirrusSearch/blob/c36608365f48880820c42b0c7b922993c94a1a4d/includes/Query/CountContentWordsBuilder.php#L20 Jasper Norbert (talk) 01:45, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Small text
The letter is too small to see until I expand it to see
 * IP editor, did you have a question about using Wikipedia? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:39, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You may have changed zoom in your browser. In many browsers, use for larger,  for smaller,  for normal. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:50, 5 June 2021 (UTC)