Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 June 9

= June 9 =

Page requests by IP
Please remove the Leigh Rayment's peerage pages ref. at the end of this article - it is unreliable. Thankyou 115.70.23.77 (talk) 01:08, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Please add in "category" at the bottom of the page the link "Military Cross". Also, please make the newly-added file at the top of this article - the photo of Lord Airedale - slightly smaller if you can. Thanks 115.70.23.77 (talk) 01:09, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Please add down in the "category" page at the bottom of the page   the link  "Royalty"  - this should have been done some time ago, but I cannot do it,   sorry  and thanks115.70.23.77 (talk) 02:33, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * This is not the place to request changes to articles. Please do so on their talk pages. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:57, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Please help::: I cannot  edit easily - this computer machine is not good -  I ask again, can you please do these minor alterations/  Sorry! 115.70.23.77 (talk) 03:05, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * That makes no sense, since you have made several edits today: Special:Contributions/115.70.23.77 RudolfRed (talk) 04:44, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I have asked elsewhere for assistance - so again, sorry, and thanks for the patience.115.70.23.77 (talk) 05:09, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * FWIW; this appeaars to be the long-standing editor who most recently became known as the 'Lupton editor'. They have been around for several years (5+) and seem to have difficulty in reading names of other editors, which are sometimes rendered phonetically, and particularly redlinks. There have been multiple discussions over their ability to edit competently and an ANI (which had no real result) but there has not been much in the way of improvement. Eagleash (talk) 11:27, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

William James Neatby
Ref number 5 MAY BE done incorrectly in terms of the publishers - any advice? I hope I am not annoying you all. I do my best as an editor but it takes me forever to work out the category   applications  etc. (see above)  Thanks in advance 115.70.23.77 (talk) 04:56, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ I have removed the publisher parameter, per Cite web publisher should not be used to point to a website and when they are basically the same, the publisher parameter should be omitted. Also the regd. trademark symbol should not be shown. Eagleash (talk) 11:32, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Whitelist our Website,
Greetings from Galatta Media Private Limited

We have noticed that our website www.galatta.com is banned and blacklisted on Wikimedia and Wikipedia. A few years back we have acquired this company, I hope earlier there may be few issues on the content part now we are delivering authentic content to our audience.

Kindly review our website and resolve this issue.

Can you please help us to how update in "Proposed removals".

Please whitelist our website "Galatta.com"

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.96.6.140 (talk)
 * I'm not sure why you want this done, but Wikipedia has no interest in helping you promote your company or website. 331dot (talk) 08:44, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks like galatta.com was blacklisted for spamming -- that is, that material was added to the Wikipedia, sourced to galatta.com, at such a rate or in such a manner that it was inferred that the motive was to promote galatta.com by getting many links to that site into the Wikipedia, rather than actually improving the Wikipedia.


 * So, to request removal from the blacklist, go here: MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist and follow the instructions. You'll probably have to describe what assurances you can provide that the site won't be spammed anymore.


 * For my part, I don't know if gallata.com is very useful as a source -- we would need to more about how much of your content is from original reporting rather than scraped from other secondary sources, and how rigorous your dedication to accuracy is, particularly how robust your independent fact-checking operation is. Absent that, we have to guess based on reputation, incidents, and forensic analysis. The overall vibe i get from glancing at the site doesn't fill me with confidence, but that doesn't mean much. But I think the people deciding whether to take you off the blacklist don't consider all this, but if gallata.com is not a reliable source by our standards, it won't be used here anyway, so there's no gain to you or us if you're removed from the blacklist. Herostratus (talk) 12:55, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Mnmh... Here it indicates that gallata.com hired a company called "Dot Com Infoway" to spam the Wikipedia. We do not take kindly to that sort of thing at all, but this was in 2008 so I suppose you can make the case that it's new owners and you are contrite. Herostratus (talk) 13:18, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Page Deleted without any consent request for reversion
Hi Team,

Our long lasting page in WIKI of our Registered organization that teaches Yoga in India, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sivamathiyin_Jeevayoga_Jothimayam

was deleted without any consent.

Kindly help with reverting this.

Please contact us

or

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.207.141.47 (talk)


 * Hi IP user, we do not contact people by email or phone. The article was deleted for being promotional and not meeting Wikipedia's general notability guideline. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:22, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * We also do not require consent to delete content. If we did, it would be next to impossible to delete anything, especially content that needed to be removed immediately. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 10:25, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia can delete whatever it wants from its own pages. The subject of the article has no say whatsoever in the matter. J I P  &#124; Talk 11:33, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP user. You might find that this essay makes things clearer. --ColinFine (talk) 12:45, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, It's not about Consent. But it's also about relevance. Would be helpful to have the page back up. What should I do about it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.207.141.47 (talk) 13:38, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Also it was deleted for WP:NORG not meeting. This happened due to one of the important websites relating to the source article expiring for a brief period of time. Now it is all corrected. The old liks are all valid now. How do we get back the page now?
 * Since the article was presumably promotional (I am not an admin here and therefore cannot look at the deleted revision), I am afraid that one would have to write a completely new version, unrelated to what might or might not be inside the deleted revisions. Because once source almost never makes a summer and the deleted revisions where (If you trust the delete reason) completely unsourced, I would be interested in your WP:THREE. Maybe (or any other bywalking admin ) could also have a look at the deleted revisions and tell you wether my asusmptions are true. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:01, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Correction, ColinFine isn't an admin either. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:03, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There is nothing in the article that is particularly worthwhile, relying on a single reference to the website and is super promotional in tone. A WP:BEFORE search also pertained that this is not a notable subject. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:08, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually it was an expired WP:PROD, which a single objection can quash. However, it was deleted a long time ago, and no objection was raised then. But it's not like it was deleted by community consensus. So it'd be reasonable to restore the article to OP's userspace. OP, ask User:GB fan to restore it to your private userspace so you can work on it. Or pick someone from Category:Administrators willing to provide deleted pages. Or just start over. Either way, go to Articles for creation and follow the procedures there. At all points you must clearly proclaim what your relationship to the entity is.


 * This is your right and is the proper procedure. However, it sounds like a waste of everyone's time since it's just another business, and looks like no way it's going to have an article. So here's what: Go find two full articles in magazines or newspapers that are independent of the entity, that are not unreliable rags (most small local papers are), that have enough useful and interesting things to say about the entity to make a decent article of at least two or three good meaty paragraphs. If you can't do that, just forget it. Herostratus (talk) 20:22, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * As a contested PROD, the editor can request that it be restored at WP:REFUND which he has done. I thought this was supposed to be a Help Desk. Most of you gave a lot of unhelpful comments and didn't direct him to the one place that could resolve his problem. Liz Read! Talk! 03:35, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Making a sortable table where empty cells go to the bottom
I want to make a table where when I sort alphabetically A->Z, the empty cells go to the bottom, while those with content go to the top (normally, it's the other way round). The only solution I've found so far is inserting data-sort-value="&#68737;"| into every empty cell, but it takes a lot of effort, and if I want to change an empty cell, the sorting attribute doesn't go away when using the visual editor. Is there a better solution? Thanks! --Krmarci (talk) 12:05, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

New Account
Hi,

wanted to know a couple of things.

We are a renowned production house wanting to create Wikipedia pages for our producer and the team.

1) Wanted to change the username we made a mistake in... it is Thundersky not Thudersky

2) How many pages can one user make?

3) Wanted to know how to create the pages?

4) Is there any cost involved?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thudersky (talk • contribs) — Thudersky (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * The easiest way is to abandon the mis-spelled account, and create a new one. But if "Thundersky" is the name of the business, it won't be acceptable as a username.
 * There is no limit. But each article created has to meet some quite demanding standards. New users find it very difficult to create articles that meet those standards. No-one should create an article about a company or person they're connected with.
 * See Help:Your first article.
 * No cost is involved. There are agents who will offer to create articles for you, for a fee. Some are competent but expensive; some are incompetent; and some are downright scams. They are all disliked by the volunteer editors who try to maintain Wikipedia's standards.
 * Maproom (talk) 13:41, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Although if you're editing as part of your job, you will need to read WP:PAID and comply with the WP:Paid editing disclosure policy. Also, we don't do company accounts, so each user would need a separate Wikipedia account. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:48, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Also note that any company that promises you "complete ownership" of a page is blatantly lying. There is no such thing as "ownership" on Wikipedia. Just because there is a Wikipedia article about you or your company doesn't mean you own or control the article in any way. J I P  &#124; Talk 13:50, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * We also don't allow accounts operated by more than one individual, so there is no "we". Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:09, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * What User:Lee Vilenski means is that each account must belong to a single physical living and breathing human being. Sharing a corporate account is not allowed. You are welcome to start an account at, for example, User:Joe Bloggs at Thundersky but User:Thundersky is not allowed. J I P  &#124; Talk 00:12, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, . At the risk of "piling on", I will add that you appear to have a (very common) misapprehension that Wikipedia has anything whatever to do with publicizing yourself or your endeavours. If you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then we can have an article about you. It will not belong to you, you will not control its contents, and it may end up saying things you don't like. See An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. --ColinFine (talk) 15:06, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Delayed Notification...
I have added a page (Ceres (women's fraternity) that I have created to a template (Template:Fraternities and sororities). I now get notifications for each page that includes the template when the first *actual* edit is done to a page that contains the template. Is there anyway to change this behavior?Naraht (talk) 13:30, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * At the bottom of your notification preferences you could add the Ceres page to the list of pages that should not give you a notification. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:52, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't suppose there is any way to either A) not include links from templates or B) to somehow flush the pages on the template? I'd prefer to find out if pages about colleges add Ceres, but not that 3 months from now, someone finally edits Kappa Delta.Naraht (talk) 17:09, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * (A) No, (B) You could try a null edit on all the pages that use the template. That would be tedious by hand, but fairly easy with AWB. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:20, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

WP:PAID
Just out of curiosity: if an user creates an article on payment, why is the author obliged to declare that he has been paid? Dr Salvus 13:54, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Because an organization or individual willing to pay someone to create an article about them often fails to meet our inclusion standards. And more so because payment is generally associated with strong bias in favor of the payor which needs to be identified and counteracted. And most importantly because it is a violation of the Wikipedia's terms of use to not disclose paid editing. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  14:09, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It's in our terms of use. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:15, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * @Dr Salvus Community consensus.  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 15:18, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, Dr. Salvus's and most of El Cid's answers were helpful. Saying "because it's in our Terms of Use" brings up the question "ok, why is this in your Terms of Use?".  Which some if the replies here did address...    73.127.147.187 (talk) 08:01, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

OTRS Release Generator
How long does it normally take for the release to be approved if I sent the request through email?


 * WP:OTRS is run by volunteers. Answers always happen in their own good time Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 15:49, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I've found them to be pretty efficient (a couple of days), particularly if you carefully follow the guidelines at Commons:OTRS. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:51, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Edits deleted
Changes for The Canadian Letters and Images Project were removed after we added them. Unfortunately the information that is up is 15 years out of date. Why was it removed? Thank you.Canadianletters (talk) 17:50, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * the edits were likely reverted on several grounds. The first is that you haven't made your editing disclosure and are using a username that isn't permitted. You'd need to make edit requests rather than editing directly. That's been noted on your talk page and please make sure you act on it before editing again. Beyond that, The 2-4th edits you made are, generally speaking, okay, but the big first one includes dropping in contact information, non-neutral phrasing and no suitable secondary sources. All of those, alone, would be sufficient reason. After you've handled the disclosure, please take a look at Help:Introduction for an easing in of the basic facets of making (or, requesting) edits. Nosebagbear (talk) 18:03, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Notifications
What are all of the notifications that someone can get on Wikipedia? Wallglobemat (talkand contribs) 18:40, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * See Help:Notifications for a complete list and extensive information about the notifications system. In short; you get notifications when someone leaves a message for you on your talk page, or mentions (often called a "ping") you in a discussion on another page, such as I have done here.  You also get notifications when someone reverts one of your edits, when your user rights change, and some other things. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 18:36, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * To add on to the response above, you can also configure what notifications you get by going to and checking or unchecking boxes for notifications on Wikipedia, its apps, or email. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:53, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Delete Accout/Delete User Page/ Change Username
Dear help desk,

I am hoping that you can please delete this account or delete this user page. If this page cannot be deleted, please change my username.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haneystaff06 (talk • contribs)
 * It sounds to me you may want to consider a courtesy vanishing. It is not possible to delete an account. 331dot (talk) 20:01, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If you really want to abandon your account, one drastic thing you could do would be to change your password to something you don't know yourself, for example by generating some random garbage string and copy-pasting that as your password. If that succeeds, then your account literally cannot be accessed any longer. J I P  &#124; Talk 21:33, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Infobox Television Colors
Hi! I was just wondering is there a list somewhere to find different colors for the infobox for television? Like #061453 is blue, where would I look if I wanted to find pink, purple, etc? Cinemacriterion (talk) 20:16, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The article Web colors has a bunch. Herostratus (talk) 20:26, 9 June 2021 (UTC)