Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 March 16

= March 16 =

about vital article and maths rating
I noticed that there are two ratings, what is the difference between them? thanks!(Example:Talk:Complex analysis )--SilverMatsu (talk) 02:51, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * One refers to the overall quality of the article, and other to how important it is to the encyclopedia and the field in general. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  05:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for teaching me. I see. It semms maths rating, quality and triage, vital article are article importance. By the way, I used Ping, but when I enter multiple user names, the display shows only one name, what should i do? (Example)--SilverMatsu (talk) 08:54, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * - while the "u" response is usually a synonym for ping, it's designed to let you use differently appearing links, but it is best used for a single individual. For safest effect, use (etc). Nosebagbear (talk) 14:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * But please be aware that you can only ping 50 people at a time. If you go over the limit, even if it is only by one, no notification is generated. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:33, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for teaching me! I will replace it with the template you taught me.--SilverMatsu (talk) 15:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Japanese American Mayors: add Henry Hibino, Salinas, CA and Robert T. Ouye, Sr., Marina,CA
Please add these two onto the listing that Wikipedia has noted. Both were highly respected in their respective communities. Henry Hibino was born and raised in Salinas, CA; sent to Manzanar Concentration Camp wit his family during WWII. Robert T. Ouye, Sr. was born and raised on Kauai, joined the U.S. Army at age 18, went to South Korea during the Korean War, also, sent to the Vietnam War and suffered many combat injuries, earned a Purple Heart amongst many other medals as an infantryman. He spent 20 years with the U.S. Army, then retired at Ft.Ord, CA. Returned to school then joined the Monterey County Sheriff's Dept; and served the City of Marina as a charter councilmember when the City incorporated in 1975; and became the City's first elected Mayor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:C401:9DE0:9452:8C34:1618:17F4 (talk) 05:00, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * There is no page titled either Japanese American mayors or List of Japanese American mayors. There is List of Japanese Americans, but this only lists people who have their own articles. If you think that these two should be added to some page (article or list), then click on that page's "Talk" link and in the talk page make your proposal, providing reliable, independent, published references for what you are suggesting should be added. -- Hoary (talk) 07:09, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I guess you refer to Category:American mayors of Japanese descent. Categories are only for Wikipedia articles. There are no articles about Henry Hibino and Robert T. Ouye, Sr. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:41, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Those may be good candidates for articles. IP, are you able to provide us with any sources about these men?  Newspaper articles, write ups in books, magazines, etc.  Given the times when they were active, most sources will probably be off-line.  I found obituaries for them, which can be used to source some basic facts about them but don't contribute to notability.  ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 16:30, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

how to add inline tag in a table?
Using preview, it was breaking all sorts of red-highlighted references lists - I was trying to tag right after the reference note lots of text< /ref >, and that created chaos, although the tag did show up correctly in the table. What's the correct procedure? Thanks. HammerFilmFan (talk) 10:33, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Which tag, page and table cell is it about? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:44, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll - first table - need to add a tag to first row, note 1, and note 4 "better source needed" template HammerFilmFan (talk) 11:49, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * is this Special:Diff/1012624434 something like what you need...? (Note: the edit has been already reverted.) --CiaPan (talk) 12:13, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * If not then save your edit and revert so we can see what you did. If you preview a section edit at List of genocides by death toll then the references will display a lot of: "Cite warning: tag with name ... cannot be previewed because it is defined outside the current section or not defined in this article at all."
 * This is not an error and can be avoided by editing the whole page, or just ignored. It goes away when the page is saved (except one reference which is currently not defined anywhere). It happens in section preview because those references are defined in the references section or somewhere else outside the previewed section. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:15, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * no, "better source needed" tag never appears in the table via that edit ... ? I wanted to tag row one, N1 and N4 (as it is currently set up) - ThanksHammerFilmFan (talk) 04:20, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

I need help changing the heading of my article
I have created a new article in sandbox but when I published it, it is showing as Ebenedara/sandbox/Samuel Olusegun Oladele. I do not have the more.. tab to edit this, what should I do?. The article heading is: Samuel Olusegun Oladele — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebenedara (talk • contribs) 11:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * What do you want to change the article title to? Shushugah (talk) 12:58, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I see you have made a copy at Draft:Samuel Olusegun Oladele. If you want to submit it for review to the encyclopedia then add  to the page. You could also have done so at User:Ebenedara/sandbox/Samuel Olusegun Oladele, but don't do it in both places. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:05, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Cleanup Listing "Potentially dated statements"
I'm not sure how to resolve these types of errors; they're not flagged or marked in either editing mode. I don't see a consistent pattern for triggering the error; if it's a specific source or topic. Is it meant to be a perma-error, like dynamic lists?

(Here's what I'm looking at:) Cleanup list for WikiProject Guyana

A sampling:
 * Enoploctenus - Most articles with this error are taxonomic, and do include some really old sources (1800s).
 * Avicularia - but this one has plenty of fresh sources to supplement the old ones.
 * Ashni Singh - And then this one's sources are all from 2020!

Appreciate any illumination on how this works, cheers Estheim (talk) 12:26, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * If you enable "Show hidden categories" at Special:Preferences then you can see several hidden categories on Enoploctenus. One of them is Category:Articles containing potentially dated statements from April 2019 which says it's added by As of. See more at As of. The "Oldest" column at https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Guyana.html shows the oldest "as of" date in the article. For Ashni Singh it is November 2020. If he is still Minister of Finance then the as of date can be updated with a source to support that he had the position on the as of date. If he is no longer Minister of Finance then the sentence should be changed to say former, and give a source for that. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:56, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thank you! That explains it perfectly. If I may ask, in the case of Ashni Singh, would it be better to use the and add the next scheduled presidential election year (since it's an appointed position)? Is my understanding correct that as long as there's an "As of" template on a page, it will ALWAYS come up in the cleanup logs? Estheim (talk) 14:12, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Update after sounds suitable in addition to as of. It will still be in a maintenance category like Category:Articles containing potentially dated statements from November 2020. I assume it will also still be included in https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Guyana.html. November 2020 is so recent that it may not be worth spending time on in a cleanup log. "Potentially dated statements" does not imply an error and does not display anything to readers. It displays "[update]" with an edit link for me but only because I use the code  at As of. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:40, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thanks again- that has certainly resolved my paradox! Cheers, Estheim (talk) 15:41, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Bagpipe Music books
List of bagpipe books

Is there a procedure for getting a book added to the above page? If so, where do I find details — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:E482:4D00:59BB:2AC:E423:E3E2 (talk) 19:03, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You can just edit it, but I'm actually more interested in what the purpose of such a page is. 331dot (talk) 19:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * If you are in any way connected with the book (author, contributor, publisher, etc) then you have a conflict of interest, and you should not add it yourself. You may make an edit request on the article's talk page, and an uninvolved editor will decide whether or not it is appropriate to add it. --ColinFine (talk) 19:28, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm going to nominate this for deletion. Sometimes the nail that gets stuck out gets hammered. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * But... but... it's been around since 2006! The talk page has a fascinating discussion about how the article should be structured, and whether or not references are required!  Never mind that it is not in compliance with WP:NLIST.  Notability is just a guideline not a policy. Note: the preceding comment was dripping with sarcasm, and should be read as such. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 20:29, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Would it be possible to apply to get a hosting service IP address unblocked?
I plan on renting a server with the company "buyvm.net" to make my own personal VPN server for use while I am in China, starting around August. I have heard that many hosting providers' IP addresses are blocked by Wikipedia due to previous abuse from previous tenants. If I do get to renting one and the IP is blocked, am I allowed to submit a block appeal somewhere to unblock that IP address? Thanks! Félix An (talk) 21:33, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * most likely, you will get WP:IPBE instead of an unblock of that IP, allowing you to edit despite the hardblock. More info there. Victor Schmidt (talk) 21:37, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
Hi. Since there has been this discussion, I have fallen into depression and cannot even sleep at night. I am not a vandal but after this discussion I am afraid of being seen as a vandal. How can I make it clear to all administrators that I am not a vandal and that I want to help improve Wikipedia? DrSalvus (talk) 22:43, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

WP:AAU
I am sure I need a mentor because I am making too many mistakes which can lead to me being blocked (I don't want be blocked). How can I choose a mentor? Do you give me any advice to choose the mentor I can trust? DrSalvus (talk) 22:58, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * (EC) I read through a bit of that thread earlier, and do not believe I saw you described as a "vandal". But I did see mention of WP:CIR and mentorship. And it sounds as if you are on the verge of being indef blocked if you maintain your current behavior. I would suggest you take the offer of Mentorship seriously and enquire about obtaining a mentor to help you learn how to work within the rules here. Good luck. He  iro  23:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Here Mentorship would probably be a good place to start. Also, please do not make a new section for each comment, give some time for editors to see your question and reply.  He  iro  23:03, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * , you are not a vandal. But you have been blundering about, involving yourself in processes that you don't understand. I recommend that you stick to edits like the one you made to Agapios Vrikkīs, which was clearly an improvement, for a while, and slowly build up your skills. Maproom (talk) 08:26, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Use same data on multiple pages
Hi there,

I was wondering if it's possible to have a table shared between multiple Wikipedia pages?

For example, if I want a table showing the annual deficit of the US federal government, this table may be used on multiple Wikipedia pages. An update to the table would need to be reflected on all pages.

Further, is there a project to aggregate statistics on Wikipedia? Since part of Wikipedia's purpose is to provide "a comprehensive written compendium that contains information on all branches of knowledge." I feel that often when I try to search for statistics there isn't a definitive source that I can turn to get a good data set from.

Thanks!

—AristarchusValen (talk) 23:20, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, ! To answer your first question, you could make this table into a template, then each instance would reflect the most up-to-date version. For your second question, I'm not quite sure. Hopefully, another user can help you out with that. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 23:42, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It does not try to compile all types of information. See WP:NOT. Wikipedia is primarily a collection of articles, not tables. It's conceptually similar the Encyclopedia Britannica, not the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics. That said, there is still a whole lot of structured information hidden within Wikipedia that could be used for certain types of statistical analysis and presentation. This structure data is now often to be found in the Wikidata database. It is possible to construct database queries to retrieve this data in tabular form. -Arch dude (talk) 02:06, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that clarification! What pages on Wikipedia detail how to add to Wikidata and query it for use on regular Wikipedia pages? The examples I've seen seem rather obtuse... —AristarchusValen (talk) 19:55, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Accurate changes immediately deleted by another user
Hi, I am a new user. Can you explain please why my first edit made this evening to 'British Association of Dermatologists' was reverted within a few minutes. Is this just how Wikipedia works? I added the (correct) address and motto to the box on the right Anuiksur (talk) 23:22, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, ! I have restored your edit as your information was, indeed, correct. Make sure you include references for changes like this so that no one mistakes it for false information. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 23:37, 16 March 2021 (UTC)