Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 March 2

= March 2 =

figure in Wikipedia entry incorrect
Hi. I was looking at the entry on "Xanthohumol" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanthohumol) and noted that there was an error in the figure. The compound annotated as L-phenylalanine is incorrectly drawn. I cannot change it because it is a jpg. If the original chemdraw file was available I could fix it but I would need to have the original file. Otherwise I have to draw the whole figure from scratch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.193.154.233 (talk) 00:10, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I suggest you post your concern on the article's talk page: Talk:Xanthohumol. Hopefully someone there would be able to assist with the image.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 00:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You're clearly right – the amino group of the phenylalanine is attached to the wrong carbon. I'll have a go at editing the jpg, probably later today, unless someone else does it first. Maproom (talk) 07:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ You may need to click "refresh" to see the result. Maproom (talk) 20:49, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

I cannot find my article in my sandbox
Hello, I am a new user to Wikipedia, so I apologize if this is the incorrect place to post my problem.

I was working on an article in my sandbox—the URL is: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:UQadri81713/sandbox/Mohammad_Afzal_Husain_Qadri&action=edit&preload=Template%3AArticle+wizard%2Fuserpageskeleton&editintro=Wikipedia%3AArticle+wizard%2FWizard-New+edit+instructions+userdraft

I don't know what happened. I changed the initial bold name in the paragraph where you are supposed to type from "Mohammad" to "Mohammed" and now I can't seem to find the article. The URL now opens a blank article, and I can't find the article that I have been working on for the past few weeks. Please help. Thank you!

UQadri81713 (talk) 00:15, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Your account was created five days ago and this post is the only edit you have saved. No page has been saved at User:UQadri81713/sandbox/Mohammad Afzal Husain Qadri. Were you logged in to another account or not logged in when you worked on a page? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:38, 2 March 2021 (UTC)


 * That's what's so strange. I don't understand why it's vanished, because I was always logged in when I was working on it—even when I'd refresh the page it would load up with all of my previous edits. It's as if it was deleted entirely/there was no record of it at all.

UQadri81713 (talk) 13:37, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Maybe your browser stored it but there is no sign you ever saved anything in Wikipedia. You have to press "Publish" to save a draft, also before submitting it for review. The "Publish" name can be confusing. It only means that others can see it if they come by the page. You cannot save a private draft which is invisible to others. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:50, 2 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh okay. So yeah I didn't press the "publish" because I thought that would submit it or something, and it would have to be complete first. Thank you for explaining.

UQadri81713 (talk) 14:24, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Anti-Sami racism by a user named @WikiDan61
Hello,

Today, I attempted to correct a massive amount of misinformation about my ethnic group, the Saami.

Now, I am Sami. I talk to Sami regularly. I follow Sami history. I follow the university. I follow the books published with the single Sami university in the world.

Sami traditionally have an oral history and over the past thousands of years, many people have written what they think "Sami life" is. This has lead to thousands of years of misinformation.

Lapp (which I will refer to as the L-word or L*pp from here.) comes from the Swedish word Patches. Calling us the word is calling us "patch people." calling our land the word is calling our land "Patchland." That Is incredibly offensive. Calling me L*pp is calling me a Ni**er. Calling my land L*ppland is calling Africa Ni**er land. This is not a joke. This is not up for debate. I talked to some of my Sami friends and they wrote pages of anger about this.

So, I removed every reference to the L-word except where it was completely necessary and fixed a considerable amount of the misinformation. I argue with people regularly about the Sami and they quote me this incredibly inaccurate wikipedia page like it is Gospel. This Wikipedia page actively hurts me and my community, the people that it is supposed to represent. It needs to change. It can not stay like this. This is an article about Africans that just calls them Ni**er 15 times. Is that OK? It is full of regularly regurgitated state sanctioned propaganda and if you did any real research you would come to this conclusion. Is this OK?

" I will grant that you are free to be offended by it. " - wikidan. I will not grant that this is OK. I will not grant that it is OK when someone changes Ni**er to african to change it back.

So, I spent nearly two hours editing this page and then Immediately "@wikidan61" reverted my comments saying they are a point of view. He told me that what I said is inaccurate.

"These are serious accusations, and require serious sources to back them up. Please recall that Wikipedia is not a place to right great wrongs." - wikidan. When the great wrong is caused by the Wikipedia page, you bet your f*cking ass this is the place to "right it."

Now, let me get some f*cking things straight.

The Sami were the targets of genocide in Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia.

We were forcibly sterilized.

We were stolen from our homes.

We were murdered for wearing our traditional clothing.

Our languages were banned. Our singing was banned.

We were told we were ethnically inferior.

You want to know the extent of this genocide? In the last 100 years, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia have sterilized more of us than they currently acknowledge to exist.

So, I tell him about the genocide and everything else and he says they are "a point of view." The king of Norway apologized for hundreds of years of subjugation and abuse and this person tells me it's all a "point of view"? No. Is he better than the King of Norway? Does he know more than the king of the f*cking country? That is unacceptable. He tells me the burden of proof is on me. False. He corrected me, the burden is on him. However, because these are my people and someone needs to fight for them I took the time to find and read through 14 sources to show this person how wrong they are.

I don't know if your family has been hunted down and murdered for the past several thousand years, but, mine have. It hurts me to read about. I have read these all before and because of this persons selfish ignorance I have to do it again.

This is his response.

"See, now you're starting to produce reliable sources. I don't have sources because I'm not the one who wants to change the page. The burden of proof is on you to provide sources for the changes you'd like to make. Forgive me for not be versed in the history of the Sami people. I do think your anger over the issue might well yet cloud your neutrality, but with reliable sources to work from, we can sort that out."

Did he apologize for the incredibly insensitive remarks he made? No. He asks me to forgive him for not "knowing the Sami history." Yeah, I can tell he didn't know literally anything. Why then, did he remove my comments about my history?

Who is this person who thinks its OK to silence the indigenous about their genocide, then, not even apologize? I asked him several times to apologize for his remarks and attitude and he never even remotely acknowledged anything.

This is absolutely unacceptable. This persons actions are unacceptable. I am going to go through all the Sami-related wiki's I can find and correct the Racism and correct the Propaganda.

I need an explanation. I need to be told how my neutrality is compromised by my emotions. I need you to explain how my emotions invalidate the 14 sources I supplied and the fact that '''these are my people. This is my history. These are my ancestors who were murdered. Who is this person, who self admittedly knows nothing about my history''' going to correct me?

Now, here is some writing by other Sami I talked to today. I will censor the swearing.

"This really makes me furious. It's not a f*cking opinion that the Swedish state, together with the Swedish church for several hundred years conducted acts with intent to destroy or radically change Sámi culture and way of living. It's absolutely ridiculous that this bloke who's indigenous experience is probably next to none is trying to describe a situation he has no business in retelling to an indigenous person. If you'd want to I could give you some sources, one straight from the Church of Sweden detailing the religious and cultural genocide of Sámis in Sweden, but the sources are in Swedish. I don't know if that would help at all, but as a Sámi trying to become a historian I felt like this hit really close to home."

"$10 says he is from the US, per his Minneapolis Mayor expertise, and so is ignorant to the plight of minorities in other countries outside of his own. A bit of a troll who likes to be right all the time and uses psychological fallacies to try and sound smart/have the upper hand in a conversation."

Honestly, this person should be fired. They don't have to but something needs to happen here. This situation and the actions of this person are unacceptable.

If this person is not fired, I want a written letter apologizing for his actions and how he represented Wikipedia so I can give it to my community members. I want a free hand to remove the propaganda and racism from your website.

The Scandinavian governments acknowledge this, but you don't? Are you better than whole countries? Do you know more about the indigenous in a country than the indigenous do? Than the government oppressing them do? The arrogance is astounding.

I need someone to talk to. This is unacceptable. If this is not the place to complain and see action about completely inappropriate behavior be mods, where is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ItsSaminotLapp (talk • contribs) 00:34, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The place to discuss this is on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 00:39, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

What does this have to do with the article? One of your mods is a genocide denier and didn't even apologize for it. That is what this is about. If you honestly think differently you're racist.

'''Read this again, it's about the mods actions and attitude. Not the article. I am not here to debade genocide I am here telling you that your mod denied genocide and then when proven wrong did not even apologize. That is what this is about. '''

Today, I attempted to correct a massive amount of misinformation about my ethnic group, the Saami.

Now, I am Sami. I talk to Sami regularly. I follow Sami history. I follow the university. I follow the books published with the single Sami university in the world.

Sami traditionally have an oral history and over the past thousands of years, many people have written what they think "Sami life" is. This has lead to thousands of years of misinformation.

Lapp (which I will refer to as the L-word or L*pp from here.) comes from the Swedish word Patches. Calling us the word is calling us "patch people." calling our land the word is calling our land "Patchland." That Is incredibly offensive. Calling me L*pp is calling me a Ni**er. Calling my land L*ppland is calling Africa Ni**er land. This is not a joke. This is not up for debate. I talked to some of my Sami friends and they wrote pages of anger about this.

So, I removed every reference to the L-word except where it was completely necessary and fixed a considerable amount of the misinformation. I argue with people regularly about the Sami and they quote me this incredibly inaccurate wikipedia page like it is Gospel. This Wikipedia page actively hurts me and my community, the people that it is supposed to represent. It needs to change. It can not stay like this. This is an article about Africans that just calls them Ni**er 15 times. Is that OK? It is full of regularly regurgitated state sanctioned propaganda and if you did any real research you would come to this conclusion. Is this OK?

" I will grant that you are free to be offended by it. " - wikidan. I will not grant that this is OK. I will not grant that it is OK when someone changes Ni**er to african to change it back.

So, I spent nearly two hours editing this page and then Immediately "@wikidan61" reverted my comments saying they are a point of view. He told me that what I said is inaccurate.

"These are serious accusations, and require serious sources to back them up. Please recall that Wikipedia is not a place to right great wrongs." - wikidan. When the great wrong is caused by the Wikipedia page, you bet your f*cking ass this is the place to "right it."

Now, let me get some f*cking things straight.

The Sami were the targets of genocide in Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia.

We were forcibly sterilized.

We were stolen from our homes.

We were murdered for wearing our traditional clothing.

Our languages were banned. Our singing was banned.

We were told we were ethnically inferior.

You want to know the extent of this genocide? In the last 100 years, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia have sterilized more of us than they currently acknowledge to exist.

So, I tell him about the genocide and everything else and he says they are "a point of view." The king of Norway apologized for hundreds of years of subjugation and abuse and this person tells me it's all a "point of view"? No. Is he better than the King of Norway? Does he know more than the king of the f*cking country? That is unacceptable. He tells me the burden of proof is on me. False. He corrected me, the burden is on him. However, because these are my people and someone needs to fight for them I took the time to find and read through 14 sources to show this person how wrong they are.

I don't know if your family has been hunted down and murdered for the past several thousand years, but, mine have. It hurts me to read about. I have read these all before and because of this persons selfish ignorance I have to do it again.

This is his response.

"See, now you're starting to produce reliable sources. I don't have sources because I'm not the one who wants to change the page. The burden of proof is on you to provide sources for the changes you'd like to make. Forgive me for not be versed in the history of the Sami people. I do think your anger over the issue might well yet cloud your neutrality, but with reliable sources to work from, we can sort that out."

Did he apologize for the incredibly insensitive remarks he made? No. He asks me to forgive him for not "knowing the Sami history." Yeah, I can tell he didn't know literally anything. Why then, did he remove my comments about my history?

Who is this person who thinks its OK to silence the indigenous about their genocide, then, not even apologize? I asked him several times to apologize for his remarks and attitude and he never even remotely acknowledged anything.

This is absolutely unacceptable. This persons actions are unacceptable. I am going to go through all the Sami-related wiki's I can find and correct the Racism and correct the Propaganda.

I need an explanation. I need to be told how my neutrality is compromised by my emotions. I need you to explain how my emotions invalidate the 14 sources I supplied and the fact that '''these are my people. This is my history. These are my ancestors who were murdered. Who is this person, who self admittedly knows nothing about my history''' going to correct me?

Now, here is some writing by other Sami I talked to today. I will censor the swearing.

"This really makes me furious. It's not a f*cking opinion that the Swedish state, together with the Swedish church for several hundred years conducted acts with intent to destroy or radically change Sámi culture and way of living. It's absolutely ridiculous that this bloke who's indigenous experience is probably next to none is trying to describe a situation he has no business in retelling to an indigenous person. If you'd want to I could give you some sources, one straight from the Church of Sweden detailing the religious and cultural genocide of Sámis in Sweden, but the sources are in Swedish. I don't know if that would help at all, but as a Sámi trying to become a historian I felt like this hit really close to home."

"$10 says he is from the US, per his Minneapolis Mayor expertise, and so is ignorant to the plight of minorities in other countries outside of his own. A bit of a troll who likes to be right all the time and uses psychological fallacies to try and sound smart/have the upper hand in a conversation."

Honestly, this person should be fired. They don't have to but something needs to happen here. This situation and the actions of this person are unacceptable.

If this person is not fired, I want a written letter apologizing for his actions and how he represented Wikipedia so I can give it to my community members. I want a free hand to remove the propaganda and racism from your website.

The Scandinavian governments acknowledge this, but you don't? Are you better than whole countries? Do you know more about the indigenous in a country than the indigenous do? Than the government oppressing them do? The arrogance is astounding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ItsSaminotLapp (talk • contribs) 01:16, 2 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Per the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, you can discuss the improvements you want to make on Talk:Sámi people - in a constructive and civil manner, while providing reliable sources. We're all volunteers like you, so we can't be fired.  You could post at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, but be aware that administrators will also comment on your behavior.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 01:18, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , here are the things that are useful for changing content on Wikpedia: Calm, well-reasoned discussion on the article talk page, based on detailed discussion of reliable sources, and an understanding of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Assuming good faith of your fellow editors. Not repeating yourself over and over. Here are the things that are counterproductive: Rage. Hostility. Accusing editors of racism without rock solid proof. Advocacy writing. Saying that someone is a "mod" when they aren't and saying they are an employee who should be fired when the person is a volunteer who can't bw fired. Acting like a bull in a china shop. You need to stop those counterproductive behaviors now. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  01:33, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

So are you just, OK with genocide denial? You don't think that's a problem? You are OK calling black men "Ni**er" and Africa "Ni**er Land?"

You don't even think they should apologize?

So are you just, OK with genocide denial? You don't think that's a problem? You are OK calling black men "Ni**er" and Africa "Ni**er Land?"

You don't even think they should apologize?

Are you going to ban me for getting upset at genocide denial? Are you going to silence the indigenous person for speaking up about the hundreds of years of subjugation and abuse?
 * This is not the forum to speak up about or correct centuries of racism and genocide. Please see right great wrongs. Racism will not be solved here on Wikipedia nor is this the place to seek racial justice.  If you are here to do that, instead of collaborating with others to work towards a consensus as to how an article should summarize reliable sources, you are going to have a tough time here.  Anything else, you will need to do elsewhere.  331dot (talk) 01:39, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

See,

This is where you are wrong. I am not trying to "correct a great wrong." I am trying to bring the Wikipedia page about my people out of the 1980s. The King of Norway apologized in the 90's and I can't write that? He wrote the great wrong, I'm just trying to correct the misinformation in the article.

Should this person not apologize for denying the genocide of my people? Everyone keeps ignoring that. It is really starting to feel like you all want to spin me around with words, all I want is an apology for objectively harmful things this person said. This is public. If you deny genocide publicly, you should apologize publicly.
 * , no I am not saying any of those things in any way, shape or form. I am not commenting on the content dispute because I am acting as an administrator rather than a content editor. You may be correct about the content but your hyperbolic rhetoric is disruptive. If you take my advice, then all will be well. If you ignore my advice and continue with disruptive editing, you will be blocked. It is that simple and the choice is yours. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  01:45, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry,, are you saying that me asking for an apology is "disruptive editing"?

" no I am not saying any of those things in any way" OK, then it should be easy to get an apology, right?
 * , asking for an apology in itself is not disruptive. Ranting and raving repetitively in rage, accusing another human being of being a racist without solid evidence and calling for them to be fired is disruptive, and that behavior must stop. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  01:54, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) You can contribute information that you have independent reliable sources for, in a collaborative, civil manner without engaging in name calling and accusations. Calling people racists and genocide deniers is not civil. We aren't here to judge genocide, but tell about what reliable sources say.  Note that Wikipedia articles are  not censored for any reason, and a bad word should not be removed just because it is viewed as offensive.  We have articles on nigger and the c-word.  I'm sorry for what you state has happened to your people. 331dot (talk) 01:56, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

"We have articles on Ni**er and c*nt." The wikipedia article is about how bad the N-word is, not an article describing the history of african people using only the N-word. You have to recognize the difference between these two situations.

Even then, as you yourself stated, even if you have articles on these things, the behaviors I have identified are not OK. "In any way"

So can I get an apology? I don't see what is so hard about this. You recognize the behaviors are not ok "In any way" and yet you dance around this question every single time.

Are there articles that deny genocide even with proof of genocide? Because I think that is something that if publicly denied needs to be publicly apologized for.

You have articles on the Armenian genocide, an unrecognized genocide, if that is not an attempt to fix a "great wrong" what is?
 * I'm not Cullen328. Pings do not work unless you sign your post with four tildes, ~ .   You are working against yourself with your behavior here.  Are you going to proceed as you have been asked to, or not? 331dot (talk) 02:10, 2 March 2021 (UTC)


 * After their last post to WikiDan, I have issued a not here block. 331dot (talk) 02:12, 2 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Regardless of the OP's conduct, I gave a look at the articles. Sámi_people seems (from a non-expert perspective) reasonably written (maybe the sources were cherry-picked, I cannot tell, but the article seems to accurately represent the content of the sources). I added "controversial" in the description of the DAB entry at Lapp, which is not a great term but "offensive" or "derogatory" would be taking sides. Tigraan Click here to contact me 11:06, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK problem
Could someone fix Template:Did you know nominations/Charles Sweeny? It says not to edit it if you don't know what you're doing, and I don't. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:08, 2 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Mandarax. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:43, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Archive bot question
I set up archiving on Talk:Thomas Aquinas and Talk:Ibn Khaldun (the former I had just updated the current bot which had a faulty parameter), but neither seem to be working. Any help would be appreciated. Aza24 (talk) 03:17, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Although the archiving task was taken over by, the instruction block that it looks for still uses the old name User:MiszaBot/config. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:02, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That explains it, thanks! Aza24 (talk) 08:08, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Uploading audio files
The article "Singing bird box" asks for examples of bird songs to be uploaded. I have a recording of a 19th Century Bontems to contribute. However, mp3 files are not uploadable. Now what? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drmlouisb (talk • contribs) 07:23, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , Wikipedia uses the Ogg Vorbis, FLAC and WAV format for audio (see WP:AUDIO), a quick search in Google gave me several Online Convert for converting MP3 to Ogg Vorbis. CommanderWaterford (talk) 12:38, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It is unlikely(!) that you personally made an MP3 recording in the 19th century. What is the provenance of this recording? We can almost certainly assert that the original is in the public domain. When you convert from MP3 to Ogg Vorbis, make sure you just get the audio of the birdsong itself and not any added material that may be under copyright. -Arch dude (talk) 15:57, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks - I will convert it. The recording is of my own machine. Drmlouisb (talk) 22:42, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Dairy product companies of Australia
Hello, I'm a licensed dairy manufacturer based in Croydon North, Victoria, Australia. Would you tell me how to get listed under Dairy product companies of Australia please ?

Thank You

Jimmy Dioguardi YUCK Ice cream FOOD (redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.136.111.1 (talk) 07:25, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I've redacted your contact information; it should not be published in this public forum for your protection. To merit inclusion in that article, there must be an article about your company.  Wikipedia is not a database of companies, it is an encyclopedia with article about subjects, in this case, companies, which are shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources to meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. Ideally you should not be the one to write about your company due to your conflict of interest(please review).  Wikipedia is interested in what others might say about your company, not what it wants to say about itself. 331dot (talk) 09:27, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

A new article
Hello, I just published a new article and i wanted to ask, how can i know if the article was published thank you very much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shani maximov 92 (talk • contribs) 08:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy links: User:Shani maximov 92 & User talk:Shani maximov 92.


 * Hi, ! I'm afraid this is not a good way to publish an article in Wikipedia. Have you seen WP:Your First Article?
 * Apart from learning the proper way of creating articles, you need to know necessary requirements for the article to become a part of Wikipedia. The most important is a WP:Notability of the subject, which is estabilished mainly by numerous and deep enough WP:Reliable Sources writing about the subject, so that the article is WP:Verifiable. Once you make sure you fulfill these conditions, you also need to keep the article in a WP:Neutral point of view so it does not appear like advertising (Wikipedia is not a place for promotion). --CiaPan (talk) 09:17, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * (ec) You wrote on your user page, which is not article space, but a place for you to tell about yourself as a Wikipedia editor or user. What you wrote there is "published" in that it can be viewed by others, but if by "published" you mean it is formally part of the encyclopedia, no, it is not.  If you were to submit it as such, it would be rejected quickly, as your text is only sourced to IMDB, which is not acceptable as a source as it is user-editable. A Wikipedia article about a person must summarize what independent reliable sources say about the person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person.  Please see Your First Article; you may also create and submit a draft at Articles for Creation. As a new user you cannot yet directly create articles, but even if you could, it's a great idea to get others to see what you write before it is part of the encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 09:21, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Did I use ref tag perfectly here?
In last edit of mine, I didn't use ref tag properly, but what about now? Rizosome (talk) 10:31, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it looks right to me. A full stop seemed to have crept in after the preceding reference and one was missing at the end of the sentence you added. Films and TV series should be in italics. Eagleash (talk) 10:45, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

False Account Opened in My Name
I have received a message from Wikipedia stating that an account joshuajmarklover was opened on Wikipedia on 1 March 7:38 pm. I did not open this account. I received another message at the same time stating the new account had been changed to this email: [redacted] I do not know this person. I do have a Wikipedia account and I contribute to Wikipedia but my account has nothing to do with these. Wikipedia obviously has my email because I received these messages. Any help in removing this false account is appreciated. joshuajmarklover is a false account and this [redacted] person should be contacted regarding the situation. - Joshua Mark — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.228.43.74 (talk) 15:12, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Joshua Mark is not a rare name and we have 41 million accounts. It sounds like the user created an account stating your email address and later changed the address at Special:Preferences. Maybe they accidentally gave a wrong address and fixed their error. If your secret email address is something like joshuamark at a big email provider then it could certainly happen. But maybe they are trying to guess your email address by setting an address in their own account and wait to see whether you react to mysterious emails, so I'm not contacting them for now. I have hidden their private information from your post. If it was an innocent mistake then the info should not be published. Other users can only see your email address if you mail them. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:01, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Restoring a deleted image?
I am touching up the article on Strategic Conquest and saw that there is a deleted screenshot. The screenshot was uploaded around the time of the debate on free use, and the user died shortly thereafter. Unable to respond to various bots, the image was summarily deleted without, as far as I can tell, any attempt to save it.

Is there any way to get this back? It's a perfectly reasonable Free Use example of a game screenshot. I tried to restore it, but either I'm doing something wrong or its not working. Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:59, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * What was the name of the image? Ruslik_ Zero 19:21, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Strategic Conquest (screenshot).jpg Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:13, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Rotate a table?
Are there any tools to handle table creation and editing? There is a table in Strategic Conquest that should be rotated, that is, switched in terms of columns and rows. Doing it manually would be a chore. Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:04, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I have never done this, so this is a theoretical answer. You can get your table in HTML simply by displaying the page in your browser. You can convert an HTML table to a CSV file using any of several (non wiki) tools: google for them. You can load a CSV file into any spreadsheet program. You can rotate and do just about anything else in the spreadsheet program. You export from the spreadsheet to CSV. Finally, you can import a CSV file into wikitext using CSVLoader.
 * Unfortunately, it appears CSV loader does not really understand tables, it simply stores the existing table markup in CSV format for import and export. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:59, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * . ✅ I found it easier to do by hand given its relatively small size and have put it on the article's Talk Page for you to incorporate (after checking!) Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:55, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

LL Cool J's page edits
Hi, my name is Robert Raymond Lee III. I was signed to LL Cool J'a Rock the Bells record label under the name "Pragmatic". I would like to be included in his "other ventures" category with the other artists from that label. I have emailed this information to your editor's address. Included in the email is the actual contract, signed by myself and LL Cool J aka James Todd Smith. I would like for history to be told accurately.

Thank You, Robert Raymond Lee III — Preceding unsigned comment added by RLee84 (talk • contribs) 19:03, 2 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but we can't list everyone who signs with his label. The names listed in his article either have an article or are at least credited in Deep Blue Sea (soundtrack). Clarityfiend (talk) 19:42, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure who you emailed, as articles do not usually have a single editor. This is a collaborative, group project.  What Clarityfriend states is correct.  Wikipedia is not meant as a comprehensive database of all possible information; this is an encyclopedia that summarizes what independent reliable sources state about notable topics as defined by Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 19:54, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Creating an account
Why is it so difficult to create an account on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.112.105.100 (talk) 20:11, 2 March 2021 (UTC)


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 * What difficulty have you experienced? -- Hoary (talk) 02:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Creating Template Default
I'm trying to modify an existing template (namely Template:Maplink-road) to expand from just being a prefilled version of another template (namely Template:Maplink) to being one that operates almost exactly as the original, just with default parameters that can be overriden. The idea for the Maplink-road template is wonderful, but it would be useful to be able to add parameters to its call of the Maplink template to avoid having redundancies from calling Maplink directly. For example, on the article Pennsylvania Route 5, much of the code in the Maplink template is redundant to the Maplink-road template, so it would be much simpler to be able to call. Could someone link to some documentation that I could read so I can make this happen? Thanks much! BMACS1002 (talk) 21:04, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * See Help:Template. You can change  in  to , and so on. This will pass on   if it's set in the call and otherwise use 290 as default. Note that a call with a blank value like  will pass on the blank value and not use the default 290. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:09, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! That's a good start, but to get to the crux of my question, what about other parameters other than the ones that won't be set with a default? Say if I want to have all the parameters of Maplink-road, but I want to add in another parameter like "stroke-color", "title", "description", "type2" (and all other associated parameters). How would I do that without adding a line like  for literally every possible parameter? Thanks! BMACS1002 (talk) 23:29, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * With template code (as opposed to a module) you do have to pass on every parameter separately. It should be done with . This will give a blank value if   is not set in the call.   would give the literal 7-character string   as the value of  . PrimeHunter (talk) 23:57, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess now's the time I dive into Lua to figure stuff out to make this work. Thanks for the help though! BMACS1002 (talk) 00:03, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I found Module:Template wrapper. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:02, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You've got me cackling like a mad scientist over this find! Thanks so much for finding it! BMACS1002 (talk) 14:57, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Please help me identify predatory open access journals in a recently created page Cultural agility
Hello, I just noticed a warning to the "use of predatory open access" in a page I recently created: Cultural agility. Could someone help me identify precisely which citations are involved in order to make the necessary changes to remove such links. Thank you.


 * Hi User:Neuralia (please sign your posts using --~ ), in order to deal with this sort of thing, User:Headbomb has a good set of tools, such as his Unreliable/Predatory Source Detector (UPSD). You can also check your sources at User:JzG/Predatory, or WP:CITEWATCH, or online at Beall's list. (Most of this reply is paraphrased from Headbomb.)
 * I have the UPSD script installed, and it flags Global Issues and Innovative Solutions in Healthcare, Culture, and the Environment and "Culturally Agile Leadership: A Relational Leadership Development Approach" being from predatory journals or publishers.
 * In addition it also highlighted "The Development of Cultural Agility (A Literature Review)", since medium.com is considered generally unreliable, being self-published, and usually considered a primary source. It can be used if the authors are experts in the subject matter, but not if the material regards living people. It's preferred to source the same information from somewhere that isn't self-published. It also flagged "In Search of Leadership: Practical Perspectives on Leading Distance Education Organisations" as marginally reliable since it's in a repository that may contain unpublished/predatory materials, though it's probably ok since I didn't see the Asian Journal of Distance Education in Beall's list.
 * I hope this helps. --Anon423 (talk) 01:35, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Not quite what it highlights. It highlights Zenodo as a general repository, which can host predatory sources and preprints. So for that one, double check what the journal is and if it's reliable. In this case, it's the Asian Journal of Distance Education, which AFAICT, looks like your average academic journal. Medium is highlighted as general unreliable per WP:RSP, since it's a blog service, and reliable depends very much on how is the writer. The two predatory (doi:10.4018/...) ones are from IGI Global, a well-known vanity press with no meaningful review process. Those aren't fit to be cited. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:58, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * On the subject of the edit filter, how is it defined/implemented? I must admit I am not well-versed in the internals of Wikipedia, but is it here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/891 If so, I assume since User:Headbomb helps maintain it, the UPSD should be flagging the same set of sources, and it might be a good idea to mention the UPSD in the tag/filter documentation as a user-side version so that editors can see what exactly tripped the filter. The description of filters didn't link there, so I'm not sure. (Sorry to bother you again, Headbomb. Or maybe User:Suffusion of Yellow is the one to ask.) --Anon423 (talk) 16:47, 3 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks to all!!

Neuralia (talk) 22:35, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

transitioning IP user to registered user
Hi Wiki Team, I have made several small contributions as an IP user, but I had totally forgotten about an account I created in 2010, which I'm now writing under. Is it possible to appropriate my activity as IP user to my account retroactively? Thanks in advance! Ariescode (talk) 21:50, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I am not positive, but quite sure, that you cannot. However, if you like, you can put a notice on your talk page that you formerly edited under that IP address. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia  talk  21:52, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I feel like I have seen a template for such a notification, maybe as a userbox? Beeblebrox (talk) 22:27, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Found something at User IP editor but it doesn't appear to have a field to identify what IP you used. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:32, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you all Ariescode (talk) 00:43, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Amazon copyright issue
This movie advertisement link is from Amazon/IMDb.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BYWZjNzJiZjQtODE3OC00MmVlLTk1ZjUtOGU1ZTA5ZWIzYjdlXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNjA5MTAzODY@._V1_.jpg

The movie is Doctor Neighbor completed in 1916. Even though it is an Amazon image, can I upload a copy of the poster to Wikipedia commons claiming the copyright has expired since it was created before 1926?

This is not original art, but a copy of a page from a movie fan magazine. I understand if I find the magazine where the original ad was placed - problem solved, but I having problems locating the Ad.

Thanks

Michael Jannetta (talk) 22:55, 2 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Michael Jannetta, that's a question not for Wikipedia but for Commons; please ask at commons:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. -- Hoary (talk) 02:52, 3 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Try asking at WP:MCQ, where copyright experts hang out and give advice on things like this. RudolfRed (talk) 02:54, 3 March 2021 (UTC)