Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 November 27

= November 27 =

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I wanna make an article! 2600:100B:B125:FE06:8B:1A01:D0C9:3C64 (talk) 03:42, 27 November 2021 (UTC) a user — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoingBatty (talk • contribs)
 * Hi there! Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially if you've never edited Wikipedia before.  To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure.  I suggest then spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills.  Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the subject, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability".  If so, you could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 04:40, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Reference tag appeared.
Hi Folks!! Does anybody know why this Dorothee Poelchau comes up with sources tag needed. It is a search URL to get the record validating the claim, but it shouldn't spin up a tag with that, surely? Its not even a BLP. Thanks.  scope_creep Talk  10:47, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Got it fixed. It was the spelling again.   scope_creep Talk  10:52, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

AFC Drafts
Draft:Kewsong Lee Draft:Song Zhuo Qun

I understand AFC articles can take a while to process but I'm not sure why one of them is 2 weeks into submission with no one looking at them. Quite a lot of articles launched this date have already been reviewed. Its not like either article is very long, controversial or difficult to check either.

-Imcdc (talk) 15:18, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * As it says, very clearly: "Review waiting, please be patient.  This may take 2 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,700 pending submissions waiting for review." --David Biddulph (talk) 15:21, 27 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Like other editors, reviewers are unpaid volunteers who are self-selected and under no centralized control. Each reviewer does whatever task they wish to do at whatever time they wish to do it. Some reviewers may choose to work from oldest to newest, while others will refrain from working on certain types of article like BLP or political articles, and others may work only on topics with which they are familiar. -Arch dude (talk) 16:15, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

my edit
hello some has removed my edit to a wikipedia page about st anthony’s girls catholic academy. as an ex pupil i have shared helpful information about this school that may help many people. i wish for my edit to be re added. thank you 82.132.237.15 (talk) 17:22, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not summarize personal knowledge or opinions. Please use a more appropriate forum such as social media to give your views about something. You may be blocked if you make further edits like the one you did. 331dot (talk) 17:26, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Help with redirecting index search
Please help me redirect non-existing word to existing page. For example, linking non-existing word "A" to existing page called "B", pointing "B" when I searched "A". The Supermind (talk) 18:58, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi there! I suggest using How to make a redirect.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 19:45, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Image display trouble
How come the illustration "Roman Hall of Justice" at Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Roman_Empire is not displayed properly?--Hildeoc (talk) 19:09, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks OK to me. Could you please specify what is not correct and what you would like to be different?  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 19:46, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your interest. I've tried with several browsers, and for the embedment in the article, I only get a white field displayed instead of the image. Hope this helps. Best--Hildeoc (talk) 20:00, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It appears as a broken image for me as well. It shows normally on Commons, but its thumbnail there is also broken for me. Isabelle 🔔 20:01, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Same here; the "Persecution of the Christians" image in that article, from the same source, also isn't displaying. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 20:08, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, both images mentioned by Wikignome Wintergreen aren't showing up for me either. Does anyone know what would cause this? There haven't been any recent changes to the article here or to either of the images on Commons. --Zander251 (talk) 20:15, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * MediaWiki is apparently unable to scale File:Young Folks' History of Rome illus378.png. I don't know whether the problem is in MediaWiki or the uploaded image breaks some png rule. Maybe GoingBatty has selected 400px as thumbnail size at Special:Preferences. That is the only option above the upload size 334px. MediaWiki doesn't enlarge images and would display the original upload with that setting, like the file page. It works for me when I try 400px but not smaller sizes. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:21, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This looks like an instance of T285875 to me, where broken files cause scaling to fail. I've uploaded a fixed version that'll hopefully work, though if I'm reading that task correctly it take a bit before the servers try scaling the new version. Rummskartoffel 22:39, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * My preferences have thumbnail size of 220px. I'm viewing the page on my Windows 10 PC with the latest version of Google Chrome.  It also looks good to my on my iPhone in the Wikipedia App and the mobile view in Safari.  GoingBatty (talk) 00:20, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The first image is now displaying correctly (thanks Rummskartoffel!) but the second (here) still needs a fix and reupload. I'd do it, but I'm not sure what exactly the fix was. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 00:40, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I used the  tool included with libpng, as described in the phab task. A number of other images in c:Category:Young Folks' History of Rome are also affected. I'll go take care of #315 and maybe a few more. Rummskartoffel  11:14, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Accidentally submitted article for review
I'm trying to work in my sandbox but somehow I submitted it for review with just "Testing testing"

How do I pull it from review? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Data Storyteller (talk • contribs) 20:30, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I've reversed it for you. You can simply go into the page edit history to undo any edit. 331dot (talk) 20:34, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia app on Windows 11
When I installed Windows 11 home edition, it came with a bunch of pre-installed applications (whatsapp, adobe lightroom, etc). One of those is a Wikipedia app.

Is this a Wikipedia-written app or a Microsoft-written app?

How is using this app different from just going to the Wikipedia web page?

Is Wikipedia paying Microsoft to include this app? If so, how much?

21:04, 27 November 2021 (UTC)2600:1700:D0A0:21B0:2DBE:910C:7658:2BDA (talk)


 * There are quite a few "Wikipedia apps". See List of Wikipedia mobile applications. "Wikipedia" is not an organization and therefore does not pay anybody anything. The Wikipedia web sites are hosted and supported by the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF), which is a non-profit. I have not researched this, but I would be astonished if WMF paid anyone to put any "Wikipedia app" anywhere. -Arch dude (talk) 23:21, 27 November 2021 (UTC)


 * It is written by the Wikimedia Foundation.
 * See https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/wikipedia/9wzdncrfhwm4
 * Getting it on the Microsoft Store would have cost the Wikimedia Foundation a $99 one-time fee.
 * I have no idea how much Microsoft charges to add an app to Windows itself. Clearly Microsoft didn't add Disney's streaming service as an included app or a link to Kohl's on the Edge opening page for free.
 * The question is whether they decided to include the app from the Wikimedia Foundation on every copy of Windows for free because they like us, whether we paid full price, or somewhere in between. I see no reason why the Wikimedia Foundation wouldn't be willing to pay a reasonable price for that as part of their marketing budget.
 * Does anyone have a real answer rather than a guess? I can do my own guessing. Does the Wikimedia Foundation publish how much they spend on promotion? 76.216.220.191 (talk) 02:57, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This is the help desk for the English-language Wikipedia, where you can get answers about how to use or edit the English Wikipedia. It is not the reference desk, nor is it the customer support site or public information office for the Wikimedia foundation. I suggest you read our article on the Wikimedia Foundation, and if you need additional information, go the foundation's web site that is listed there. Since WMF is a US-based 501(c)(3) organization, you can also access their IRS Form 990, which is a matter of public record. The volunteers over at the Reference desk might be able to help you. -Arch dude (talk) 07:50, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Grub Hill Church, Virginia
First time ever trying to create a new redirect page, a couple of days ago, and seem to have wound up with just a page draft and not a normally accessible page. Is the "draft" status permanent, or is it waiting for an administrator (or at least a user with a regular account) to come along and kiss it so that it's no longer a frog?

I know, I know, I need to create an account; I do have some non-nefarious, if not completely valid, reasons for not doing so... --2603:6081:8004:DD5:6451:2AC4:EB73:1BE (talk) 23:26, 27 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I've moved it to main space. IP users can't create pages in main space, even redirects. I don't know if there's a formal mechanism for requesting a redirect, but you could always suggest it on the talk page of the target article. --ColinFine (talk) 23:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * @ColinFine If you follow the WP:AFC wizard, it leads to a point where the draft is created and may be submitted for review. That works well enough. There is a mechanism for requesting the creation of a redirect. Despite my being a long term AFC reviewer I have never found the door key!
 * Your moving it to main space was expedient and pragmatic Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 23:58, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Another option for the future would be using Articles for creation/Redirects and categories. Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 00:29, 28 November 2021 (UTC)