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= October 31 =

Correction to biography of Francis Harvey Green https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Harvey_Green
The current entry states that he was married to Gertrude Langdon, Bryn Mawr English instructor. The gravestone pictured lists his wife as Gertrude Heritage Green. This is correct, and she was in fact a demonstrator in chemistry at Bryn Mawr. The validating reference is https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/21556075/gertrude-green. How do I change this reference change this reference without disturbing the other two citations for the original reference? 00:56, 31 October 2021 (UTC)


 * User:Sbgman I would suggest asking this question on the article talk page. There are two conflicting sources and either or both may be (partially) right. TSventon (talk) 02:23, 31 October 2021 (UTC)


 * His entry in Prominent Families of New Jersey, Volume 1 states, "On September 12, 1911, Dr. Green married Gertrude (Langdon) Heritage of Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania, once instructor in chemistry at Bryn Mawr College." What that means exactly, I'm not sure. Maybe she was born a Langdon and married a Heritage first? Clarityfiend (talk) 03:03, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Nope. Her entry in Women's Who's who of America, Volume 1 says her parents were Albert and Helen Heritage, with no mention of any other marriages. It also says she was a "demonstrator in chemistry". Clarityfiend (talk) 03:08, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The Langdon source is a dedication, and it also says she was an English teacher, so I'd be inclined to disregard that. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:12, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Please note per Reliable sources/Perennial sources is not considered a WP:RS so if you can find a better source (as is doing in this case) that is preferable for article content. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 03:14, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * She actually co-authored four six chemistry papers with Elmer Peter Kohler, the first three as "Gertrude Heritage", the fourth as "Gertrude L. Heritage" and the other two as "G. L. Heritage", further discrediting the English teacher source. So maybe Langdon is her middle name??? Clarityfiend (talk) 03:22, 31 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I have updated the article. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:06, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Christopher Bullock
I have added. a file (photo of old newspaper) in the "Dismissal" section of this article - it is far too big. I added a caption underneath which I cannot see. Please assist if able. With thanks 114.76.40.3 (talk) 05:13, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Fixed by adding "thumb" to the File: link. CodeTalker (talk) 05:53, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Need help with ILL template
The article Sampo Lappelill uses the ILL template this way: Sampo Lappelill. This is supposed to link to sv:Sampo Lappelill, which is about the film, whereas the English article is about the original story. Yet the link renders as normal black text with no clickable link, as if Wikipedia thought it was a link back to the same page. How should the link be written? J I P &#124; Talk 09:00, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Assuming an English article about the film would be called Sampo Lappelill (film):  produces Sampo Lappelill (film). PrimeHunter (talk) 10:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

How can I create my page on Wikipedia
Hello Wikipedia team

I want to make an own Wikipedia page how can I create this please tell me how? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:3102:f35e:5cd4:b4fc:f315:62b3 (talk)
 * Hello. What do you mean by "own Wikipedia page"? If you mean a page about you, then the answer is DON'T: Wikipedia strongly discourages autobiography. If enough material has been published about you (not by you or your associates) then there could be an article about you, but it will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, will not be for your benefit except by chance, will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and should be based almost entirely on what those published sources I mentioned say about you, not on what you say or want to say.
 * If you mean a page about something else that you can create, then that is possible; but your question is a bit like "How can I build my own house?" to which the answer is "First learn the building trade". Writing a Wikipedia article is much much more difficult than it looks, and editors who try it before they have learnt how Wikipedia works usually have a frustrating and miserable time. You havce a much higher likelihood of success - and will probably add hugely more value to Wikipedia - by spending at least a few months improving some of our six million existing articles before you try it. When you're ready, have a look at your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 13:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

east elysium
Hello there

we wud like to make an article about our band on wikipedia. we are a band from Montenegro but our music is seena dn heard there and on Balkan area. we have released 1 album and now 2nd is about to be released...and we do expst on the medial space over a decade. what are the chances to enter the space of wikipedia :)

cheers Vesna East Elysium — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vesnaeelysium (talk • contribs)
 * Please read about conflict of interest. Your band must be shown to meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable band, through significant coverage in independent reliable sources that can be summarized. Ideally, this should be done by a completely independent editor who took note of your band in those sources. However, if you think you can forget everything you know about your band and only write based on what independent reliable sources say about your band, you may draft an article at Articles for Creation. 331dot (talk) 10:25, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Also note that your username might be in violation of Wikipedia's username policies. Each username must belong to a single individual person. A username representing your band is not allowed. J I P  &#124; Talk 11:06, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Area of Lake Bafa
List of lakes of Turkey says that its area is only 60 km² but Wikidata says that its area is 176.5 km². 217.117.125.83 (talk) 10:44, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Also there’s a difference for Lake Eber. 217.117.125.83 (talk) 10:48, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * And other lakes from the list… 217.117.125.83 (talk) 10:49, 31 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing this out. I investigated for Lake Bafa itself. What a mess. There is no reference in our list article and no area in our Lake Bafa article. The Wikidata item is (apparently) used for both the lake itself and for the nature preserve that includes it, and it gets its data from the French Wikipedia article, not directly from a reference. The French Wikipedia article is about both the preserve and the lake, and has a ref to a "birdlife" web site, and its archive, which lists the area of the preserve as 17650 ha (i.e., 176.5 km3 km2) and down in the text says the lake has a max area of 6708 ha (i.e., 67.08 km3 km2).  I don't even know how to start cleaning this up. The Wikidata item needs to be split, our list article need references, our lake article needs an infobox and may need to be split, and the French article may need some attention. Wikidata and both the Wikipedias are edited by volunteers who pick their own tasks. We will need to find one or more of then to undertake these tasks, and I assume we will find similar problems for the other lakes. Can you Help? -Arch dude (talk) 14:27, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Cubic kilometers? Using :
 * 17650 ha ←
 * 6708 ha ←
 * but for km3
 * 17650 ha ←
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 14:46, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Sorry I meant to type km2. Corrected above. -Arch dude (talk) 15:29, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Regarding editing a page titled "Ziddi Dil Maane Na"
Team, I wanted help regarding editing a page which is semi-protected. Since the page titled Ziddi Dil Maane Na is a semi-protected page, it requires to be registered to edit it. I am a registered user but I am still unable to edit the page. Please look into this. Link to the page attached below. link to the page= Ziddi Dil Maane Na — Preceding unsigned comment added by Natureisablessing (talk • contribs)


 * You need to be a confirmed or auto-confirmed user to edit that page – your account needs to be at least four days old and have made at least ten edits. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 11:43, 31 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Until you pass that point,, you can make an WP:edit request. --ColinFine (talk) 13:35, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

CLEARING CONTENTS FROM SEARCH WIKIPEDIA BOX
When I open the Main Page and click in the "Search Wikipedia" box I see a list of subjects which I would like to clear and have little experience with computers and all the latest tools/settings etc. to enable me to do this and to reduce what is now more clutter to these old ish eyes. Can you help me please?

WSORALEIGH — Preceding unsigned comment added by WSORALEIGH (talk • contribs)
 * That list is maintained by your browser, not Wikipedia, so the method of removing them them will vary according to the software you are using. On my PC, I can move my cursor to hover over each entry in the list and a little "trash can" icon appears, which allows me to remove the ones I no longer need. When adding comments on Talk Pages, please "sign" using four keyboard tildes ~ because although there is a bot that should add signatures (as it did above) it doesn't always work. Also, there is no need to SHOUT by using all-caps. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:58, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Guidelines on dealing with editors who do not speak English?
I saw on the news that Igor Kirillov had died. I went to his Wikipedia article to see what was written about him, and what I found was a travesty of an article that was simply nonsensical. Looking into the article history, I found that this was largely down to one user, who clearly does not speak English. Checking their contributions, I find plentiful examples of them adding text to articles that is not even comprehensible. For example, a few days ago they added the following to an article:


 * The story tells about the first Philippine Olympic Gold Medalist Hidilyn Diaz's sake to pursuing her goals to her dreams as a weightlifter in the history of Philippine sports, she was among the 5 siblings of a family living in Zamboanga in which are strike on poverty, and her passion was to join the said sport in order to make herself put of difficult living, since she was participating in international meets and earned better income, she tries her best to get the Olympic medal but untill in 2016 i Rio Games she got her bag full of silver. But if she really to go on and make her first golden dreams?

Clearly, this person has no real idea how to speak English. But I do not see a single message on their talk page even so much as hinting that their level of English is insufficient. As a general rule, what is done in such a case? ThePointlessBlock (talk) 13:26, 31 October 2021 (UTC)


 * ThePointlessBlock There is some guidance at Competence is required. Unsurprisingly it doesn't provide an easy answer to the problem. TSventon (talk) 00:48, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Ask them point-blank what their native language is, then point them to the Wikipedia for their native language. Lord knows most of them could use more help from native speakers. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 01:39, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I added a request that they not edit the English articles for the time being. More eyeballs should help. Thanks for pointing this out . TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  00:21, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Removal of file added by blocked User:Promote justice on multiple articles
Hello, wondering if someone could take a look at this image aforesaid user added to a lot of articles. Is there a way to remove them in one go? Just cannot imagine whey the image should be there in the first place. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 15:44, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Looking at the list of articles containing the image, are there any articles that should retain the photo? Maybe it should be added to Parliament of Pakistan?  GoingBatty (talk) 16:11, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , my suggestion would to remove the image from all the articles of the politicians, and yes, you are right, it might be an good image to replace this on the Parliament of Pakistan. Lotje (talk) 16:16, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * to Parliament of Pakistan, ✅ removing from politician articles. GoingBatty (talk) 16:52, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , y're a star thanks. Lotje (talk) 16:56, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Hull General Cemetery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_General_Cemetery

Road names are wrong. I cannot edit article. Its locked? It should read Spring Bank West & not Spring Bank. Cemetery is located on Spring Bank West. Google maps: 53°45'07.0"N 0°21'50.5"W & not on Spring Bank. The mass of tree's, fed on 10,000 resting souls, is all that is visible today. This used to be a magnificent cemetery like Highgate in London with very ornate Victorian constructions.
 * I added a title to your question. RudolfRed (talk) 19:12, 31 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. If you do not have permission to edit an article directly, you can always use4d the edit request mechanism to make a request on the article's talk page. Please provide a reliable source if possible. --ColinFine (talk) 19:29, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Having looked at the issue, the answer is No. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia for all time: we don't erase information simply because it is out of date. The sources Allison, and Sheahan, both say "Spring Bank" - no mention of "West" - and that is what the article should say. Having said this, I have edited the article to add "Now Spring Bank W.", with a citation to google maps. Ideal would be a source that expliocitly says that part of Spring Bank ws renamed to Spring Bank W, and gives a date; but I'm not disposed to go looking for that. --ColinFine (talk) 20:18, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Which articles are best for this fact?
Hi! I've found out a bit of interesting information on suger production in relation to slavery in the Caribbean and I am wondering which articles this information would be most appropriate for, and in which sections of those articles I should add the information to. Here is the fact:


 * In the process of whitening crystalizing sugar, the traditionally used charred animal bones were commonly reinforced with the bones of dead slaves.

So, which articles would this information be best suited for?

Thanks, Tyrone Madera (talk) 19:14, 31 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Tyrone Madera I see you have added the information to the History of sugar article. Does the book give any more information about what sources the book used and when and where this happened? TSventon (talk) 21:04, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , The book does give sources at the end of the chapter (Chapter 19), which includes documents such as Abd al-Rahman al-Saadi on the scholars of Timbuktu (ca. 1655); Letter of Nzinga Mbemba (Afonso I) of Kongo to the King of Portugal (1526); Documents concerning the slave ship Sally, Rhode Island (1765); The Interesting Narrative of the Life of Olaudah Equiano (1789); and Casta paintings, Mexico (Eighteenth century).
 * The book states that this happened on Caribbean sugar plantations between the early 1500s and 1800s AD. Tyrone Madera (talk) 21:31, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , I have reworded your sentence slightly. I was hoping the book would have footnotes as its title included the word sources, but obviously they are not compulsory outside Wikipedia. I tried to find confirmation of the fact in Google books but failed. TSventon (talk) 00:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thanks! Do you think that this sentence would also fit into other articles as well? I've been looking at articles on Atlantic slavery but I'm not sure which ones to add it to. Tyrone Madera (talk) 17:04, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * , I have looked at several articles and not found another home for it, but there might still be one. I would recommend only adding it to a couple of articles as readers of related articles don't need to read the same sentence several times. Additions need to improve the article, as well as being interesting in their own right. TSventon (talk) 22:25, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * , I have looked at several articles and not found another home for it, but there might still be one. I would recommend only adding it to a couple of articles as readers of related articles don't need to read the same sentence several times. Additions need to improve the article, as well as being interesting in their own right. TSventon (talk) 22:25, 1 November 2021 (UTC)