Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 September 14

= September 14 =

Captcha not working
I type in what it says and it just sticks loading — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:A1C0:6D40:794B:7FB4:86CB:904E (talk) 03:34, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

How to import a file to mr.wikipedia.org
How to import a file to mr.wikipedia.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by The new Mosche (talk • contribs) 13:42, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * This is the help desk for the English language wikipedia. If you have questions regarding the Marathi Wikipedia, you need to ask there.  - David Biddulph (talk) 12:51, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @The new Mosche welcome to Tea House, this place is usually for questions about English Wikipedia not Marathi Wikipedia. Which file are you talking about? If the file is listed on Main you can use it. If it's hosted only on English Wikipedia, it depends on the copyright policies of Marathi Wikipedia. ~ Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * this isn't the Teahouse, this is the Help Desk. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 14:26, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Username Issue
Greetings Respected Wikipedians, I am (anonymous) I created my account 7 months ago just to upload a picture but recently I am thinking to edit Wikipedia as a hobby so created a new account User:EƎ (i know its a cool username) but after looking in my saved password log I founded my old account so I logged back into this account. So I need your help can you please change this account username to “EƎ” if you are wondering for security purposes I can give you the password of that account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Captain4542 (talk • contribs) 14:57, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * First, don't give us your password, that's a bad idea. Second, I'm fairly sure there's a process where you can take over that username, however I"m not familiar with it (i've really only seen it once) so it would be best to wait for another user to give you the link to this process (if it's what should be done here). Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 14:24, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the link you're looking for is Changing username/Usurpations? --David Biddulph (talk) 14:26, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yep that's the one I was talking about. Thanks David! Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 14:27, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

== If I have someone translate a source between languages/registers, and I make one or more edits based on that translation, would that breach our original-research/shared-accounts policies or the Creative Commons attribution requirement? ==

A little background:

The external-links section of 1983 Anchorage runway collision has a set of three links to court decisions which could potentially serve as productive sources about the lawsuits engendered by the crash; however, these three decisions are written in some remarkably-impenetrable legalese, and I get completely lost a few paragraphs in. Now, I know (off-wiki) a lawyer who could probably translate these documents into a less-opaque register of English for me to use in editing the aforementioned article, but I can see three potential problems with this sort of arrangement:


 * Any such edits to the article could potentially be regarded as involving contributions by two separate people (the lawyer, translating the source documents into a different register; and me, editing the article based on this translation), which one could conceivably be seen as violating the prohibition on shared accounts (see WP:ROLE and WP:NOSHARE).
 * I would be working from an unpublished translation of the source material, which could conceivably be seen as violating WP:SYNTH.
 * As two people would be involved in the process of using the source documents as sources for any edits to the Wikipedia article (see the first bullet point), but only the person whose Wikipedia account actually saves the edit to the article would be credited in the page's edit history, one could potentially make a case that this would violate the Creative Commons attribution requirement.

(All of these concerns could also apply to off-wiki translations between languages, not just those between registers of a single language.)

Are my concerns valid? Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty ⚧ Averted crashes 16:49, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'm more concerned about the fact that court decisions are generally considered primary sources, and the fact that you find them written in "impenetrable legalese" indicates that you are having difficulty understanding them and thus should be relying on published secondary sources for their interpretations of them. (Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation.) ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 17:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ... a published reliable secondary source, that is, since apparently they have a lawyer at hand ready to be the secondary source. Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:20, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

What software does Wikimedia/Wikipedia use to create maps for nations?
Hello, For maps that are considered "professional", such as most maps on Wikipedia of modern countries and Empires, I have noticed that they appear to all be made with the same software (you can look up any country, such as Russia, France, or the United States to see what I'm talking about). If anybody knows- could they tell me what software is being used to create these maps? Thank you. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 19:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * TheodoresTomfooleries, WikiProject Maps/Conventions/Area maps suggests Photoshop, GIMP or Inkscape. TSventon (talk) 22:32, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 01:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Gauging the relevance & appropriateness to add much info
Hello help desk. While doing secondary research prestudy on agriculture/land use in the Central Valley region in California, I have put together many notes with references that I was thinking of adding to wikipedia (thereby giving back to such a worthy site I have learned so much from too). But I'm not sure what to add or not, and so who would have good/wise guidance for me on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kikiboddula (talk • contribs) 21:07, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The right place for discussion is the talk page of the relevant article. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:12, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

What is a 'non-trivial' mention in the context of a book?
Hi, I'd like to ask for the purposes of WP:GNG what is a "significant coverage" in a book. In the case of a newspaper I would consider an article significant coverage but I'm uncertain what it looks like in a book. A paragraph? A page? Thank-you in advance, ~ El D. (talk to me) 22:15, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * El D. I have seen a couple of paragraphs suggested as "significant coverage". However as the GNG does not give a definition of "significant coverage", any attempt at one is a personal opinion rather than policy. TSventon (talk) 22:57, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * "two paragraphs", but that's a rough guide, not a rule. A two-paragraph entry in the DNB or other major biographical dictionary probably suffices. A two-paragraph description of someone's sibling in a book-length biography probably does not. You must use editorial judgement. -Arch dude (talk) 23:56, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Good article nomination
I just picked up a GA review for the article Kereru, but I noticed that the previous GA nomination was done informally on the talk page (as opposed to creating a review page) and so my review page is falsely called "/GA1". Does anyone know how to fix this? Mover of molehills (talk) 22:27, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You could try asking at WT:GA, but I don't think it really matters - as far as I know this is just how it was done with older GA nominations. (My first ever GA, Neaira (hetaera) had exactly the same situation, and the second review is at the GA1 subpage.) Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 14:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you for letting me know. Mover of molehills (talk) 20:47, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Date range on cite web
Hi, is it possible to do some kind of date range? It is for this ref: on List of nobles and magnates of France in the 13th century. All the date properties are horsed.  scope_creep Talk  22:43, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi there! If you're just trying to cite the web page, then you could use 1248-1254.  Those years don't belong in the date field because the web page wasn't created in the 13th century.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk)

Saving a New Wikipedia Page without Publishing
Hello,

I have a general question. I want to be able to save my newly created Wikipedia page without publishing, so that I may make edits before sending it over for review. Is this possible? If so, how is it done?

If not, what do you suggest? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inaflashhhmarketingllc (talk • contribs)
 * "Publish changes" simply means "save changes", it does not mean "publish this to the encyclopedia ". You should use Articles for creation to create and submit a draft. Please see your userpage for important information about your username and other policies. 331dot (talk) 22:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * save your draft (using the miss-named "publish" button), but do not submit it. others can read it but nobody is likely to and certainly nobody will review it. When it's ready for review, submit it. However, first please read WP:USERNAME. You will need to abandon your current username and create a personal name instead: corporate names as other "group" names are not allowed. Also read WP:PAID. You will need to declare your relationship to the article's subject. but FIRST: read and understand WP:NCORP or more generally WP:N. Notability is teh only absolute requirement for an article. If you attempt to create an article about a non-notable subject, we will delete it and your effort will be wasted. Really. -Arch dude (talk) 00:05, 15 September 2021 (UTC)