Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 September 9

= September 9 =

How do I notify you that someone has passed so that her page can reflect this?
— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  23:14, 22 October 2021 (UTC) I just wanted to let someone know that Janet Doub Erickson passed away on September 3, 2021 so that the page on her reflects this.

Here is what her daughter and my friend Eva wrote about Janet on Facebook:

Eva Astrid Erickson is with Janet Doub Erickson in Wellfleet, Massachusetts. September 5 at 4:08 PM · Janet Doub Erickson June 29, 1924 to September 3, 2021 Mom drew, painted, carved, wove, etched, sewed, macraméd, knit, built furniture and fences, taught, wrote poetry and books, published many articles, made the most incredible pinatas, wine, jams and toys, traveled the world, and raised 5 children along the way. Mom was a Renaissance woman who lived life with a unique flare! She encouraged the creativity in those around her and her memory lives on in her children, grandchildren and those who knew her! Cheers, Mom

Sincerely,

Peter Lisker Matamoras, PA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.88.203 (talk)
 * I am sorry for your loss. To post information about her passing, it needs to be published in a reliable source. A death notice in a newspaper or obituary would be sufficient. 331dot (talk) 00:24, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I removed your phone number for your protection, it is not wise to post it publicly. 331dot (talk) 00:25, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry for your loss. I posted it on the talk page, where you can post any newspaper/obituary links when you get them. Talk:Janet Doub Erickson Shushugah (he/him • talk) 00:28, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Trying to edit article but changes not reflecting.
Hello, I am trying to edit the 13th BRICS summit article for a grammatical mistake, but my edits are not showing on the article even after I publish it. Please help. Thank you. Nsn2635 (talk) 05:32, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, I just a look at your edits, and your edits are all set, so don't worry. Just your removing and adding spaces between leaders participating, it will not show huge difference. Thank you.  Dhaneesh  💙  Ram  06:31, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Template
Hi, I was trying to write an automatic short description, but the #if: function isn't working quite right: Nationality = British [Null] British [Null] (should be British). (See User:Qwerfjkl/sandbox2 and 3)/ Thanks! &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  06:40, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * is a parser function, not a template. That means the first parameter comes right after the colon, not after a pipe. Remove the pipe in . PrimeHunter (talk) 11:23, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

the sentence of the last paragraph of china economy should be deleted.
This paragraph is talking about Chinese women work as prostitute in south Korean brothels. i think it is deliberately edited by some author to uglify China and Chinese women, because prostitutes or brothel workers probably exist in every countries in the world including the south Korean. additionally the reference is quoted from Korean newspaper in the year of 2011, which is 10 years ago. therefore, the sentence is not appropriate, incomplete and inaccurate, should be deleted.
 * There is no such sentence in Economy of China. Which article are you talking about? --ColinFine (talk) 10:22, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * They're talking about China. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 10:37, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello IP editor! I suggest you post your suggestion on the article's talk page: Talk:China.  Happy editing!    GoingBatty (talk) 12:41, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks you for identifying the article. I agree and have removed the sentences: two news reports about specific cases are not enough to justify a general claim in an article, especially when that claim may be contentious. --ColinFine (talk) 21:34, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Formatting tables side by side
How do you force tables to align side by side instead of down the page below each other? Cheers DiamondIIIXX (talk) 10:25, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Is Help:Table what you mean? 192.76.8.74 (talk) 10:31, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Not sure how to edit notelist
Would like to edit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_and_violence_at_the_Cecil_Hotel#Notes to add a "citation needed" to the assertion about the two serial killers staying there, can't seem to get in to the text of the notelist. Assistance appreciated. Greg Dahlen (talk) 13:28, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I can't see why you would want to add a "citation needed" tag, when that note is already supported by the citation of reference 1. If you did need to get to the text of the note, it appears at the place in the text where the note is defined;  you can get there by the uparrow/ caret ^ symbol at the start of the note where it appears in the notelist. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:39, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Which is the best free-use ?
Which is the best free-use ?
 * en:Clear Linux OS
 * en:File:Clear Linux OS Logo.png
 * from: https://docs.01.org/clearlinux/latest/_static/clearlinux.png


 * pt:Clear Linux
 * commons:File:Clearlinux.svg
 * from: https://docs.01.org/clearlinux/latest/_static/clearlinux.png
 * by ru:Участник:Mustang1337


 * uk:Clear Linux OS
 * uk:Файл:Clear_Linux_OS_Logo.png
 * from: https://docs.01.org/clearlinux/latest/_static/clearlinux.png


 * zh:Clear Linux OS
 * No Picture
 * .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 13:50, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I would use c:File:Clearlinux.svg as it's a high quality SVG — Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 14:12, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The SVG would probably be best, because it can be scaled to different sizes without loosing quality. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 14:27, 9 September 2021 (UTC)


 * free use on commons is always preferred over any non-free use. In fact, the existence of a free image on commons precludes the claim of "fair use" under our rules, so you must use the commons image if it is at all suitable. SVG is preferred over non-scalable formats if the images are approximately equivalent. HOWEVER: I question the copyright status of c:File:Clearlinux.svg. It claims "own work", but it certainly derives from (and violates the copyright of) another image somewhere, unless the uploader was the original creator of the Clear Linux logo. -Arch dude (talk) 15:03, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I nominated c:File:Clearlinux.svg for deletion as a copyvio. I think you re forced to use the fair-use png image (en:File:Clear Linux OS Logo.png) here at en.wikipedia. We cannot use SVG for a fair-use image because our own fair-use rules require the "smallest useable resolution", to avoid impinging on commercial use of a trademark. -Arch dude (talk) 15:20, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Clear Linux OS is free of charge and all free/libre software, so no commercial use? .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 16:27, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * That has no effect on the copyright status of the logo. If it does not have an acceptable copyright license, then it cannot be on Commons, period. It also has (almost) no effect on our fair-use rules at the English Wikipedia, which are at Non-free content. A non-free image may stored on en.wikipedia, but only of it meets all ten of our criteria independently. -Arch dude (talk) 17:54, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * here is an example of the logo of a free/opensource project that is copyrighted and requires attribution if you use it: File:Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg. Intel may choose to license the copyright of their logo for reuse, but that requires an explicit license to be published somewhere. -Arch dude (talk) 18:07, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * how about?:
 * en:Red Hat Enterprise Linux
 * en:File:Red Hat Enterprise Linux logo-en.svg .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 11:21, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * : commons:File:Clearlinux.svg ? Many Template:Linux distributions use  for logo, this shaded triangle mosaic seems simpler than ClearOS or Ubuntu logos. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 11:49, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

I'll reply to this in a bit, but I'd like to preface it by saying that is wrong by saying SVG logos aren't allowed as fair use on Wikipedia. — Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 15:06, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

First, please read WP:WHATABOUT and WP:LOGO, especially the "not original enough" section. Wikipedia is not here to test the limits of fair-use doctrine. We don't want WMF to spend money on high-priced lawyers. Note the rationales for your two examples are different: Redhat is copyrighted, while ClearOS and Ubuntu are "not original enough to copyright". In my opinion the Redhat logo should be PNG. Look at the copyright declaration in its file descriptioon, which states (in bold text) that we must use low resolution. As to copyrightable creativity: while this is a judgement call, simple can still be creative, and I doubt that anyone wouldclaim that the ClearLinux penguin is not creative. It is therefore copyrighted by default. -Arch dude (talk) 15:23, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Arch dude and @0mtwb9gd5wx longstanding consensus is that SVG files are superior to PNG files, as long as they are displayed at a small resolution it's fine. We even have a special template SVG logo, which shows we have at least 17,000 SVG logos. The logo is probably a copyvio thought, and I have uploaded it locally to enwiki under a non-free rationale, see File:Clear Linux logo.svg. I've also added this to the enwiki article. Might be worth noting in the DR. Cheers — Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 17:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It appears to be a longstanding lack of consensus, so I'm still wrong, but not completely wrong. See here as an example. If a consensus has been documented somewhere, please provide a link. I had no prior knowledge of this debate, only a personal common-sense interpretation of the meaning of "low resolution", and I am willing to be guided by any guideline or policy. If I were Intel, this would result in a DMCA takedown notice. -Arch dude (talk) 22:57, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * generally discussions from 2007 aren't consensus, but if you want to use them, there is this Template for Discussion page that resulted in "Keep", please read it's arguments. The important thing when using SVG logos is not using them at to high of a resolution in the article. As a rule of thumb for me 100-150px is generally good (or just the default). — Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 08:05, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

How do I best open a discussion involving several pages?
I would like to open a discussion on the systematics of whitesided-dolphins (genus Lagenorynchus), but rather than opening the discussion on all 6 species' pages + the genus-page, I wonder whether the discussions can be linked or there are other ways to do it more efficiently than handling 7 discussions at the same time. Suggestions appreciated. Right now the taxonomy of Lagenorhynchus has been changed as a reflection of new DNA-evidence, but this is disputed and the authority in the field (Society for Marine Mammalogy) has not decided on how the six species should be named, so in my opinion the old names should be used as long as there is not agreement on new names.--JakobT (talk) 17:16, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Certainly, you want to keep the discussion one place, and I would have thought that Talk:Lagenorhynchus was the place. But it's fine to put notes in other places (eg the species' talk pages) saying that there is a discussion going on, and linking to that discussion. The thing to be careful about is canvassing: invite people to join the discussion, don't invite them to support any particular view. --ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * having the discussion at Talk:Lagenorhynchus is probably the best idea. That page not having many watchers, I would also suggest leaving an invitation to comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mammals. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism complaint
This is why I will not donate.

Where is you credit source. Fact check. This article is an opinion.

Because a person who hates the country, county, elected officials and law enforcement, they make up a article on personal opinions and you make it a Wikipedia page. hmmm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denton_County_Sheriff%27s_Office_(Texas) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.55.59.180 (talk) 19:58, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is subject to frequent vandalism, and not all of it gets noticed right away. That's what happened to the article you linked.  The vandalism has now been corrected.  Thank you for bringing attention to it. Squeakachu (talk) 20:19, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * IP editor: Thank you for reporting the vandalism! Since you have an interest in this topic, maybe you could provide some more reliable sources for the valid information in the article.  You can post any suggestions or sources you have on the article's talk page: Talk:Denton County Sheriff's Office (Texas).  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 21:02, 9 September 2021 (UTC)