Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 April 18

= April 18 =

Conservative
I did not find a definition for the word "Conservative". I only found political banter. I wanted an adjective definition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1010:b16b:e1ee:7801:70e0:3ca7:24da (talk)
 * If you want a dictionary definition, you may wish to visit the sister project that is a dictionary, Wiktionary. 331dot (talk) 00:00, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Dr.S.N.Singh
[Note: Added a section heading] 73.127.147.187 (talk) 04:15, 18 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Ummmmm, what? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 04:14, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * This happens all the time - someone posts what is essentially an uncited biography here in hopes that Google or an editor will pick it up. Standard operating procedure's usually to just revert them off with an explanation in the edit summary. (I believe that the Help Desk, due to its nature, is also NOINDEXed and can't be found via Google.) —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 04:21, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jéské Couriano... yes, I have seen what you describe... This one just read very strangely.  But then, I should respect anyone with a grasp of another language.   I only know about one and one-tenth languages... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 09:50, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Why doesn't the page preview include the abbreviation expansion of the title?
As seen in the below examples, the page preview for Serial ATA and PCI Express skips the expansion for the abbreviation, as compared with the actual page.



Can we have the expansion included in the page previews? Or is this 'bug' limited to only certain pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pras92 (talk • contribs) 06:20, 18 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Can't confirm, both pages display correctly in the preview at my device. --CiaPan (talk) 06:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Confirm behaviour, using Chrome (100.0.4896.127) on Linux (Lubuntu). (Edit: Also using Firefox 99.0 on Lubuntu.) There doesn't seem to be any good reason for omitting these text fragments? -- Verbarson talkedits 11:08, 18 April 2022 (UTC)


 * The description confused me at first. The OP is referring to the Page Preview popups, which are on by default for unlogged-in readers and newer users; this pops up a smallish article preview window when hovering over an article link. The problem OP sees is that the text presented in the preview omits text that is in the article itself, which in the mentioned cases is a parenthetical phrase giving abbreviation expansions related to the articles' titles.
 * Exploring other articles, one can see that the preview text seems to always omit text in parentheses, at least from the first sentence. Random examples are: 2022 FIFA World Cup, Adyghe language, and Putin khuylo!.  For none of these is the parenthesized text an abbreviation expansion; for instance, the text for the first one is "(Arabic: كَأسُ اَلعَالَمِ 2022, romanized: Kaʾsu al-ʿālami 2022; Gulf Arabic: كَاسُ اَلعَالَمِ ٢٠٢٢, romanized: Kāsu al-ʿālami 2022)".  This is more typical of parenthesized text occurring in this context, and seems to be a big win to omit it so that more relevant text can be displayed in the popup.
 * I believe it is a general feature of the preview-making mechanism, and would likely be difficult to tailor things to make exceptions where the omitted text would only sometimes be omitted. The full article is always just a click away.  --R. S. Shaw (talk) 20:37, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't be right to compare pages like SATA and PCIe with pages which relies on romanization to define their Unicode titles. Of course, Page Preview for such pages shouldn't be included as it'd be irrelevant to majority users who most likely can't read the language in the first place. But for pages detailing common practices and general industry standards like the one in my examples, the inclusion of abbreviation expansion would actually serve the purpose of the Page Preview feature in itself; to provide a gist of the target page, despite being just a click away.
 * As for implementation, it's super simple. Set a filter to omit only those parenthesized text with Unicode characters, instead of the present form which omits it for all text. Pras92 (talk) 19:24, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

When headers of tables are made sticky (in preferences>gadgets) "wikitable" and "wikitable sortable" behave differently. How to resolve?
When scrolling with tables with just "wikitable" class, the table headers have some gap between the top of page and and the headers when scrolling down, but when class is "wikitable sortable", the table headers scroll down as expected with the headers at top of page touching the browser UI. Don't know why they are behaving differently. Can someone verify the same? Using vector(2022) theme on firefox desktop. An example that I will just copied from another page:

I am deleting these tables because they have so many refs, etc, that they are causing script timeouts on the help desk. If you wish to help the user's problem, please look at the history and find an earlier version of this page. -Arch dude (talk) 17:12, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Version of Help Desk that includes tables.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:00, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Sk.griffinix (talk) 12:28, 18 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Well, I do see a gap with one of them, but it is on the first table, which is "sortable", and not on the non-"sortable" table that follows. The gap seems to be only 1px high, and is transparent: as one scrolls one can see the text and background colors scroll by in the 1px gap.  I note also that in both tables there is a transparent 1px gap just below the 2-column-wide "Latest release" heading that acts the same manner with scrolling.  The latter, at least, suggests that a CSS border spec is set to transparent.  Why the upper gap only sometimes exists I have no idea. This was on Vector legacy (2010) via Chrome on Windows. -- R. S. Shaw (talk) 21:39, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

I should add that in case of firefox, the gaps in wikitable(non-sortable) are much larger, about the size of Wikipedia header which is at top of every page

Consistently grab .png files when the original image is a .svg?
How can I consistently grab .png files associated with original .svg images?

For example, I would like the .png file associated with the original .svg image:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama#/media/File:Alabama_in_United_States.svg

When I click through the previous link, I do find a url to a .png version:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Alabama_in_United_States.svg/800px-Alabama_in_United_States.svg.png

That's great. But the problem is that these url's are not consistent across US states. E.g., the corresponding .png for Alaska is the following:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Alaska_in_United_States_%28US50%29.svg/800px-Alaska_in_United_States_%28US50%29.svg.png

I understand this wouldn't take that much time to do manually since there are only 50 US states. But this is only a special case I. I intended to take my learnings from this special case and apply them more generally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:4A05:7401:FC1E:1515:AF18:8612 (talk) 13:47, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi IP user. In this case the file is held on Wikimedia Commons at commons:File:Alabama_in_United_States.svg. On the file's Commons page, you'll find the option just below the image, to choose a resolution as a .png version in whatever size you want to download. Click on the size you like then (in most browsers) right-click on the image that becomes visible and choose "save image as" to copy it locally to your PC. I don't think it is possible to automate the process for all 50 states, for the reason you mention but note that they are all in the same Commons category, namely commons:Category:SVG locator maps of states in the United States (location map scheme), which should help you find them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:33, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Explanation of edit after publication?
I just made what is likely to be a controversial edit, and I had every intention of explaining myself in an edit summary. Unfortunately, I guess I hit "Enter" by accident, and the edit was published with no summary. I tried going in to the edit page, and without making any change, I added the edit summary I wanted to add. But it didn't take. Any suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AzseicsoK (talk • contribs) 13:58, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * If you make no changes, your edits won't be saved. You can do a dummy edit. Do a minor change, fix a comma, remove an extra space, or something like that. Use the edit summary as "Dummy edit. Edit summary for previous edit: I did (something) due to (these reasons)". &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • C • L) 14:10, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Assistance sought with reverts in United States of America page
An editor, Alexbarbershop, made a series of edits today to the lede and parts of the United States of America page. I reverted the change to the lede sentence as unsourced and un-encyclopedic by copying and pasting in the original text. However, upon reviewing additional changes made by the editor, I've determined other reverts are in order. I'm not sure, then, how "simple" un-dos will fix the questionable material that's been added to the lede section and possibly other sections. I have also posted a topic on the article's Talk page and alerted the editor to my revert, asking him to discuss the matter first before reverting my "revert" or changing other material.

I suppose I could just use un-do to revert each of the edits in question, but I'm not sure in which order and don't want to risk creating a "mess". Any advice or other assistance on restoring the original text would be appreciated. Allreet (talk) 14:17, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, please fix the citation error above...the error message is currently displaying below my request. Thanks. Allreet (talk) 14:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Another editor, @Somebody500, has stepped in to help with the reverts. I'll provide an update on "our" progress, so for now desk help may not be needed. Allreet (talk) 14:35, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * But I think needs to get clear about what is vandalism and what isn't. The edits look to me to be well-intentioned, and if so, they are by definition not vandalism. (I'm not disagreeing with  reverting them, but jumping on a well-intentioned editor by accusing them of vandalism is not helpful). ColinFine (talk) 15:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Uploading own images
Hello,

I am attempting to upload my own images to the wikipedia page that I am editing, but it seems I am not allowed because wikipedia does not think that these images are my own. They are my own self created syntax trees, and I am wondering how I will be able to upload these?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Sign_Language_grammar#Interrogative_clauses

^ this is the exact portion that I am editing and I am hoping to upload 2 photos to this page asap! Gracehobby (talk) 15:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC)


 * , you can't upload images to a Wikipedia article. It's not that there's a rule against it, it just isn't possible. What you can do is upload them to Wikimedia Commons, or to English-language Wikipedia, and then use them in the article. If the images are your own work, you should prefer to upload them to Wikimedia Commons, stating that they are your own work. Maproom (talk) 18:52, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

IABot
I was trying to use the IABot to "Queue bot to run on multiple pages" for the first time. I noticed that it doesn't appear to provide "Add archives to all non-dead references (Optional)" as an option when running the bot on multiple pages. Does it do this automatically? Is there a way to enable it? Or is it just not an option? I was also curious if it was possible to see how many jobs are currently queued and maybe an estimate as to when my job will run. The job ID was 9900. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:43, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

User Box
Is there some version of a Wikipedia User Box that says something along the lines of: "This user has been editing Wikipedia since January 1, 2000" ... or some such? I found this one --> Template:User Wikipedian for ... which yields this -->

... but that's not exactly what I am looking for. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:01, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I think this one is what you want: User:Tcrow777/templates/wiki_user_since RudolfRed (talk) 18:09, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Editing
Hello,

How do I add a photo to my Wikipedia page?

Thanks,

Terry — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bviterry (talk • contribs) 18:35, 18 April 2022 (UTC)


 * You appear to have succeeded, though from the way you worded your question you should read WP:OWN. Shantavira|feed me 19:13, 18 April 2022 (UTC)


 * See Help:Adding image. This is aimed at adding an image to Wikimedia Commons if it is freely licensed. If it is non-free then things start to get more complicated as the image must meet fair use guidelines. Also wondering if you are linked to Terry Ellis (record producer), which might led to a conflict of interest situation.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 19:17, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

People who have a deceased son
If someone has a deceased son, do they count in the sentence "X has N sons" or not in the personal life section of a living person's article? Dr Salvus 22:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You could put it in the past tense? "Have a child" can mean "To bear, produce (a child, offspring); to give birth to" so that wouldn't be inaccurate to put in the past tense even in reference to living children. I'm seeing They had three children: Joseph R. "Beau" Biden III (1969–2015), Robert Hunter Biden (born 1970), and Naomi Christina "Amy" Biden (1971–1972) in Joe Biden, for instance. Umimmak (talk) 22:56, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Umimmak What do I do at Cristiano Ronaldo? Today, his twins have been born but one of them died during delivery. Do I write: [name of the son] (2022–2022)? Dr Salvus 23:06, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I would say he “has had six children”. It’s mentioned later in the article that the sixth child died during delivery. Umimmak (talk)
 * "Has had" sounds very odd. A child is a child. "Has six children, one of whom died at birth"? Clarityfiend (talk) 05:17, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, this question is more appropriate for the Language refdesk. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:21, 19 April 2022 (UTC)