Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 August 12

= August 12 =

Does anyone recognize this language?
I found it on Wikisource as an 'unknown language'

"Ramn ku ǵlapn" ("The sheep and the goat")
 * Ramn se biǵtu.
 * Ǵap muguln imẃ sats.
 * U baǵa um, ǵlapn imẃ utu.
 * Ǵlapn beǵe um ǵa glu u.
 * Ku mumẃ um o geǵe ut hal ku uǵ.

Limburgish translation here. — kwami (talk) 03:52, 12 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Kwamikagami, the help desk is for questions about Wikipedia, there is a reference desk for more general queries, see Reference desk/Language. TSventon (talk) 08:04, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry! I wasn't paying attention where I was. — kwami (talk) 08:06, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Question about AfC process
Hello,

I'm working on a draft article that was created with the AfC (articles for creation) tool. I'm not looking to move my draft into article namespace just yet, but I was wondering if when the time comes I am obliged to use the AfC submission process, or if, as an autoconfirmed user, I should move it myself manually.

Thanks in advance! :-) LocalWonk (talk) 08:49, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . WP:AFC is optional, but it can be helpful for newer editors who don't have an established track record for creating viable Wikipedia articles. Drafts approved via AfC seem to have a better chance of avoiding being quickly nominated for deletion since AfC reviewers tend to be experienced editors who understand WP:N and who don't approve things that are going to end up being quickly deleted. Of course, even going through AfC doesn't guarantee that an article will never end up being deleted, but there does seem to be less of a risk. Assuming the draft you're asking about is Draft:Zaynab Mohamed, it's unlikely that moving it to the article namespace yourself will lead to it being tagged for speedy deletion per WP:A7 or something like that, but it could end up being nominated for deletion for WP:NPOL and WP:TOOSOON reasons if you tried to move it at this time. If you're going to forgo the review process of AfC, you might want to seek assistance at a possibly relevant WikiProject to get feedback that way. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:15, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the advice and information :-) LocalWonk (talk) 09:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Article
Can you create a article for me Aremu segun Ayomide (talk) 09:27, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You mean, about you, Aremu segun Ayomide? If so, no. Wait until you are notable: people will then be spontaneously creating or augmenting an article about you. Though you may not like it. -- Hoary (talk) 10:18, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Name of God
When I google "What does Hashem mean in Arabic," I get a listing from  Wikipedia.It tells me it means the name of God. When I look at the Wikipedia page it tells me this is the name of God in Hebrew.which it is.But then it tells me this is the name of God in Arabic or Islam. Their is something wrong here. 213.205.197.128 (talk) 10:38, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are saying the Google results are in error, we have no control over that. You will need to contact Google. 331dot (talk) 10:41, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Please do not post the same question both here and at the Teahouse - thank you - Arjayay (talk) 10:52, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * IP editor: If you genuinely feel there is an error in an article here on Wikipedia, the place to raise your concerns and suggest alternative wording (supported with citations to high quality sources) is on that article's own talk page. Obviously if it's an error in Google's search results, we can't do a thing about that. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:13, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, Hashem is not the name of God in Judaism. More correctly, it is a euphemism or substitute for God's various names. Highly observant Jews only use the actual names during formal worship. Hashem literally means "the name" and is used as a substitute in more casual conversation. See Names of God in Judaism for more information. Cullen328 (talk) 16:38, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

How do I find instances of a source being used
I have found a few instances of poor content in Wikipedia due to a source that is a recent reprint of a book written in 1926. It consequently is not up to date - but this is not immediately apparent, as it has been retitled. It is probably only rarely used, but if I could track down any instances so far undiscovered, I could flag them up with a template or find a better source - but I don't know how to search for a particular reference being used.

The book in question is A Short History of the Sailing Ship by Anderson, Romola; Anderson, R. C. publ. Dover Publications, 2003. ISBN 978-0486429885. It was published in 1926 under the title The Sailing-Ship: Six Thousand Years of History, originally published by Robert M. McBride & Company, New York. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 11:11, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Search results:
 * A Short History of the Sailing Ship
 * The Sailing-Ship: Six Thousand Years of History
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:45, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi I just used this search for "Short History of the Sailing Ship" to get four hits. You can do fancier stuff using search=insource to search in source rather than the text which appears after rendering by the Wiki software. See H:INSOURCE and also the rest of that Help page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:19, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * DOH! Sorry,, I thought I was helping you but now realise you had already provided the answer for the OP , which I hope he has seen. My only excuse for my incompetence is that it is > 32C here today and my brain fails in the heat. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:00, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikimania
Hi I am get a trouble on festival Wikimania, I can watch online chat because I am working iPad, what am I do?ئارۆ سالار محمود (talk) 12:16, 12 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I have no idea what your problrm is, or what kind of help you need. If it is a technical issue, then WP:VPT is probably a better place to ask, as the people who answer questions here are generally Wikipedia editors and don't have much knowledge of the technical aspects of it. ColinFine (talk) 16:52, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @ئارۆ سالار محمود Wikimania wiki would be the appropriate place to ask about these issues. PRAXIDICAE🌈 17:04, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

timestamps
Is there a way for me to see all timestamps in some sort of synchronized way? I am constantly getting confused about what is on the post, what is on the diff, what is at article history, what is at the contributions history. Maybe etc., not sure where all they show up in the local time of the poster vs. UTC. Valereee (talk) 17:29, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Everything at Wikipedia is in UTC; page histories, diffs, and talk page sigs are all posted by default in UTC. If you don't know your local relationship with UTC, may I recommend you go to your "Preferences" tab select the "Gadgets" section, and scroll down to "Appearance", there is an option that will display a running UTC clock in your top menu bar, next to the "Logout" link.  However, all times in contribs, diffs, history, and sigs are still always in UTC. -- Jayron 32 18:17, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jayron32 - I think you are incorrect in saying "all times in contribs, diffs, history, and sigs are still always in UTC." In my prefs under "appearance" there is a section called "Time offset" and a place to set your local time.  With local time set, sigs are always in UTC, but contribs, history, and diffs show up in my local time. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 18:36, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I should have said "by default". If one did set that in the past and forgot about it, I can see how that might be confusing.  If that's the issue, just go and set your timezone to UTC.  That should fix it.  -- Jayron 32 18:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I do have the running UTC clock enabled. It's just that when I'm comparing when something happened (usually when I'm trying to see if someone has edited after they received some notification without responding to that notification), I'm always unsure whether I'm comparing the times correctly. So if I set my own timezone to UTC this will remove the confusion in histories? Sorry if I'm being dense. Valereee (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, setting your timezone to UTC should fix it. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 23:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Valereee (talk) 00:12, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * And it's great, because now you can have a beer with breakfast, and not feel guilty anymore. Mathglot (talk) 01:21, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Had a bloody today with breakfast. You do you. Valereee (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Math template: Formulas are not visible on iPad in Wikipedia app, in Dark Mode
I am using the Wikipedia app on iPad; preference set to "Dark Mode" (white text on black background). When viewing articles that contain formulas using this template:  the forumlas are NOT VISIBLE. They are there, but the text is black (invisible on black background).

An example page with the problem is: Correlation function (quantum field theory). But I have found over 100 pages that show the problem. They all use .

If the math template is simply  (without display=block) everything is great in Dark Mode: text is white, as it should be.

There must be a bug in the Math template, something related to Web page formatting? CCS Style sheets? I tried reporting this issue on the Math template page, but there is no reply. Can you please escalate this? Maybe to the Wikipedia template experts?

I'm fairly confident that the bug is NOT in the Wikipedia app. Thanks. Noleander (talk) 17:32, 12 August 2022 (UTC)


 * @Noleander Welcome to the help desk! You received a reply on 8 August at Template talk:Math. It's apparently a known bug . In the future, if you don't receive a reply after a few days, you can ping WP:VPT for technical questions, otherwise here was the right place. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:19, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Shushugah - Thanks. Noleander (talk) 21:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)