Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 December 17

= December 17 =

Is there a way to make a page for my business? like Apple does or any other business?
I would be willing to pay for this service. Maybe its my marketing degree talking for me, but it seems to me if you want to raise capital, and only 2% of the people are willing to give money, perhaps a different method maybe needed. Why not offer personal pages? I mean, it has to be a legit business... but at the end of the day, I think your donation count would increase substantially. I would like to be one of those people. why get 2 dollars when you can make $20? 24.186.35.154 (talk) 02:26, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Experienced volunteer editors are almost universally opposed to any scheme like you are describing, and there would be mass retirements if it was forced through. We do not want paid advertisements masquerading as encyclopedia articles. The fundraising is handled by the Wikimedia Foundation and they have plenty of money. Please see Fundraising statistics. As for an article about your company, the guideline is at Notability (organizations and companies). Cullen328 (talk) 02:38, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Apple does not have a "page" here for their business. There is an encyclopedia article here about Apple, and they don't own it or control it.  And while I haven't actually read it, I'd be very surprised if there were not a few things on that page that Apple would prefer not to have on their page.  But if it's relevant and properly cited to reliable sources, then in that article they will stay. Uporządnicki (talk) 03:30, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * (e/c) this is one thing that sets Wikipedia apart from a lot of other web sites.  So much of the web is about marketing, but Wikipedia aims to provide independent, un-biased information.  We don't always succeed of course, but that is the aim.  What people (or companies) write about themselves is notoriously unreliable so it is deprecated here; we aim to base our articles on summarizing what independent, relaiable sources have to say about the topic.--Gronk Oz (talk) 03:38, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Aha, and how much would your business be willing to pay to have an article like Criticism of Apple, Criticism of Walmart, Criticism of Google, etc? —  Wasell ( T ) 🌻🇺🇦 09:33, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Criticism of Netflix and Criticism of Microsoft and Criticism of the BBC and Criticism of Facebook and even Criticism of Wikipedia. We can dish it out and we can take it too. Cullen328 (talk) 09:48, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

sorry
i sadly cant donate, im 10 years old sorry 100.19.78.9 (talk) 03:25, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it. Just read this free encyclopedia all you want. Cullen328 (talk) 03:36, 17 December 2022 (UTC)


 * If you are ten years old, you are one of the people we are writing this encyclopedia for and we thank you very much for using it. We have plenty of money, so do not worry about it. If you would like to help us instead of donating, then please look for simple ways to make the articles better, like checking grammar and spelling. If you see writing that is difficult to understand, please make a note of that on the article's talk page: we are supposed to be trying to write at the high-school level, so an advanced ten-year-old should be able to understand most of our articles. Please read Guidance for younger editors. If appropriate, ask a parent or adult friend to read Advice for parents. -Arch dude (talk) 03:58, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Intermittently logged out recently?
Been randomly logged out from Wikipedia a couple times while actively editing recently, has anyone else noticed this? Just a moment ago it flashed an IP ban message at me too, but I was able to get back in and continue what I was editing. - Indefensible (talk) 05:48, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Indefensible: You might want to check your browser's cookie settings. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 08:52, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Anything in particular to check? I think it happened when switching to other language wikis... - Indefensible (talk) 17:02, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Editing a musician infobox
Hello, my name is Paulette, and I'm new here, and trying to create a musician page, using the musician infobox, and I was able to successfully add all of the information. But, I'm not able to add wikilinks (I think that's what it's called, when city and states turn blue, because they're recognized by Wikipedia) inside the infobox, and wanted to see if you would please help me? Paulettepassionwilliams (talk) 08:32, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It's preferred to use the term "article" instead of "page"; there is a subtle but important distinction there. Links to other Wikipedia articles are done by placing the title of the target article in double brackets, like this: Joe Biden comes out as Joe Biden. You can find more information about linking at WP:LINK. 331dot (talk) 09:01, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Omg you're a life saver THANK YOU so so much Paulettepassionwilliams (talk) 09:08, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

For creating account who caught mistakenly in sockpuppet
I created an account months ago and started editing. But after I forgot it's password. Then I created another account. But now all my account got blocked saying sockpuppet. I want edit in Wikipedia. What should I do? Can anybody help me? 103.161.55.97 (talk) 08:33, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You must request unblock under your account. Instructions should have been provided on your user talk page, but if not, see WP:GAB. By editing here, you are technically evading your block. 331dot (talk) 08:34, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I requested unblock. But they are not unblocking. 103.161.55.97 (talk) 08:53, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You should be discussing this on your account user talk page. If you have followed the instructions and made a request properly, it will eventually be reviewed. 331dot (talk) 08:55, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I discussed. 103.161.55.97 (talk) 08:57, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, you must handle this on your user talk page. I'll now be blocking your IP as you are evading a block. 331dot (talk) 08:59, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Page not published on Wikipedia
hi i am trying published my village information but i am faceing some problem. Prakash5487 (talk) 09:01, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You have edited your user page, which is not article space or space to draft an article, but a place for you to tell about yourself as a Wikipedia editor. New accounts cannot directly create articles, and must use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review. You will need to do more than what you have so far- an article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about the topic, showing how it is notable. Writing a new article is the most challenging task to attempt on Wikipedia, and it's good to first gain experience and knowledge by editing existing articles, as well as using the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 09:04, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Prakash5487 The good news is that according to WP:GEOLAND, your village is "notable" in the specific sense that Wikipedia uses that word and you have done a good job of formatting the infobox. All you need to do now, as already advised, is to click on the WP:AFC link and follow the instructions, copying out the material on your user page as the basis for the article. I'm sure you'll want to say a bit more about the village than you already have done but please be sure you provide reliable sources for the information in citations. Good luck! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:00, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Could you stop asking for money?
Could you stop asking for money please? Thank you. 66.128.251.252 (talk) 10:19, 17 December 2022 (UTC)


 * We at the English Wikipedia are not asking for money. If you want to stop seeing begging notices from the Wikimedia Foundation (over which we have no control), you can register an account & set your preferences accordingly. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:23, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account and uncheck . The Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past. None of the Wikipedia volunteer editors here who add and improve content in articles receive any financial benefit. We all simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use. If you cannot afford it, no one wants you to donate. Wikipedia is not at risk of shutting down, and the Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts the Wikipedia platform and is asking for these donations, is richer than ever. We are led to believe that users who allow cookies are less likely to see these banners on repeat visits (further information is available here), and you are welcome to communicate directly with the donor-relations team by emailing  .  Thank you! — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:13, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Walking in the Air
We want Peter Auth to get more credit.

Further a really good cover is Cliff Richards.

Let's forget Aled Jones who got jammy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.124.251.133 (talk) 12:04, 17 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm guessing that this is about Walking in the Air? If you want to suggest improvements to the article, please do so at Talk:Walking in the Air. PLease note that anything you want to add must be backed up by a reliable source. If you think that something is given too much or too little prominence in the article, you'll need to convince other editors by arguing the case: your opinion (like mine, and anybody else's on the internet) is of no relevance to Wikipedia unless you achieve a consensus of editors to support it. ColinFine (talk) 13:45, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, who are "We"? Eagleash (talk) 13:54, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Whoever they are, they are evidently incapable of noticing their own typo when referring to Peter Auty. He's given full credit for the song in both its article and his own, so it's not evident what more Wikipedia could do in this respect. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.245.235 (talk) 19:00, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

frequent self-promo on wikipedia page
On the Hack Club page, I keep seeing mentions of a project (starts with Aca-, end in -Edge) that keeps inserting itself as an official program of Hack Club (was added after being removed at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hack_Club&oldid=1126877420). This is not the case, as Hack Club merely serves as their fiscal sponsor. It seems as if said project is trying to gain credibility by being listed on Wikipedia.

All mentions of the project were added by the same IP address, Special:Contributions/38.71.13.64. Where should I redirect requests to block that IP from editing this page? Thanks

Enkiel8029 (talk) 15:01, 17 December 2022 (UTC)


 * there is no recent disruption from that IP. However, should they make another similar edit, please let me know at my talk page and a WP:PBLOCK will be forthcoming. Mjroots (talk) 19:00, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

My article was declined
I believe my article Draft:ESPNcricinfo Awards is ready to get published. but, it was declined for some reasons. Please help me or If possible provide those required information. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Perfectodefecto (talk • contribs) 15:53, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Your article was declined because there are no sources that establish notability of the award itself. All of your sources seem to discuss the awardees, not the award. See WP:CSMN and WP:AMOUNT. There is nothing we can do to help you salvage this article until you can find those sources. -Arch dude (talk) 19:34, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Perfectodefecto This was also asked at the Teahouse.  Please ask in only one place. The Teahouse post has a more detailed answer (which pretty much echoes what Arch dude says).  Thanks. David10244 (talk) 06:10, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

London Beer flood
I've been trying to update the article London Beer flood where the units used have changed over time. I wrote to the author of a book that is cited in the original article, there was an error in the weight of the beer in the original text. I found an article from the author https://zythophile.co.uk/2010/10/17/so-what-really-happened-on-october-17-1814/. Due to some unanswered question on what Gallon (Ale or Imperial) he was using I wrote to the author of the book. Do I need his permission to cite the email? Avi8tor (talk) 15:56, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * An email is not a reliable source. You cannot cite an email as a source, regardless of whether you have permission from the author of the email. Sources must be published, so that anyone can verify the contents. See WP:PUBLISHED, which as examples of published sources, says but not email messages or other forms of personal communication sent only to you or a small number of people. CodeTalker (talk) 19:22, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You cannot cite the e-mail at all, with or without the author's permission, because it is not a published source (see WP:RS). You have engaged in "original research" (WP:OR) which is laudable but is not suitable for Wikipedia. If you wish to pursue this you can ask the author to send a letter to the editor of a newspaper or ask the author place an update of some sort on the book's publisher's web site or on the author's own web site or even on the web site of the article you found. I realize that this can be extremely frustrating: you know for sure that something needs to be fixed, but you cannot fix it because of our fundamental policies. However, those policies are what make Wikipedia a useful resource. -Arch dude (talk) 19:24, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input. I'll see what I can do. Avi8tor (talk) 12:32, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

why is this being "reverted"
I submitted three changed to pages all backed up with facts and articles. I wrote that this person now has two grandchildren and added two articles.. like so..

there were two other articles along with this one.. WHY are they being rejected???

can someone help please. you can't even talk to the person who "decided" they were not good enough. Childrenandart (talk) 20:37, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You may talk to the other editors either via the article talk page, Talk:Paul Kagame, or via their own personal user talk pages. Every user has one, including you. If you don't know who made the reversion, it is in the article edit history.  Your addition was reverted because it read like a press release and not a neutrally written encyclopedia article.  The editor was also concerned that too many generations were being discussed.  I would suggest that you bring this up on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 20:47, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The original edit summary said . Another editor reverted you when you tried to add it back. I agree with those two editors, and your edit was not written neutrally. So, three editors disagree, and you need to gain consensus at Talk: Paul Kagame before adding that content back to the article. See WP:BRD for some good advice. Cullen328 (talk) 20:48, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * im curious.. why not extend his family? You hae listed grandchildren for so many other people in Wikipedia?  Why not for a President? Childrenandart (talk) 20:51, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I might turn the question around- how many generations should be mentioned? I can't speak to every other article on Wikipedia, but it is up to you to build a case to support your changes on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 21:07, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ok we can move on.. ill add other things about Rwanda that are interesting. Thanks for the info.. also just want to make sure I am adding the articles correctly? .   is there a better way that you prefer? Childrenandart (talk) 21:22, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You ask if there is a better way to cite websites than direct external links as references. There certainly is: we use cite web, which for the case you used gives this. Note that there are many other possible parameters that should be used if appropriate, especially |last and |first to indicated the author of the item. Thanks for wanting to do thing citations correctly. Note that there is a citation expander gadget which can automatically do some of the conversion for you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:46, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

starting a new page
Hello all, Question about starting a new page. Can you use the same reference or article a few times in the same page? or just one use and that's all? also, some of my references come from actual hard copy books.. how does a person submit this?

Thanks.. new to all of this so appreciate the help Childrenandart (talk) 22:19, 17 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Childrenandart. It is common to cite the same source multiple times in an article: see WP:NAMEDREF for how to do it.
 * As to your second question: definitely. The requirement is that the source be reliably published, not that it be online. Indeed, for many sources, even if they are online, a weblink is a convenience, not an essential part of the citation. The important information is author, title, publisher, page number, date. See WP:REFB. ColinFine (talk) 22:49, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * thank you ! Childrenandart (talk) 01:08, 18 December 2022 (UTC)