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Misgendering Greta Thunberg
On Greta Thunberg's wikipedia page, she/her pronouns are used to describe them the entirety of the page. However, they use they/them pronouns, and there are many articles online stating such. It's a protected page, so I'm pretty sure I'm unable to edit it, as it didn't give me an edit option? If someone would be able to fix their pronouns on their Wikipedia page or somehow give me access to do it, that would be respectful to them and their gender.

Deallabastian (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * this has been discussed previously, however if you are able to provide a reliable source which state's Greta's preferred pronouns you would be best suited to start a new discussion of the topic on the article's talk page.  Grey joy talk 04:28, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Zero evidence from reliable sources has been presented so far. Social media chit-chat and speculation is of no value on this encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 08:48, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * No reliable sources have published this information, please find any reliable source(s) to back-up your question. Thanks! StarryNightSky11 ☎ 23:59, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Reattribution of IP to account
Hi,

I recently created an account and have edits under an IP address. Is it possible to reattribute them to my new account name? The other page is not being updated since 2005, so I'm not sure where else to ask. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks. CISEditor (talk) 04:56, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The attribution of the earlier edits can't be changed, but you can put a note on your user page to say which IP address you previously used. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:28, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Where to start a discussion on whether an editor's edits can be reverted on sight?
I have been involved with an topic- and permanently-banned editor whose litany of unprovoked engvar and engvar-like changes (without consensus, no less) makes it difficult and time-wasting to seek consensus for every little area that they changed. If I were to seek consensus every time, it would probably take tens of RMs and a few RfCs, not to mention hundreds of edits, to revert every engvar change that they made.

Is there a way to start a discussion to the effect of "Can edits of this editor which are solely engvar- or engvar-like changes be reverted on sight"? This is much more effective, and although it would certainly waste time, it would be way less time than the scores of discussions... Or should I just be bold like the pertinent editor? NotReallySoroka (talk) 05:01, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * You could probably guess whom the editor is, but I still don't want to be the first to name names. NotReallySoroka (talk) 05:03, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * , if you know for certain, and could prove on request, that the edits are made by a banned user, reversion of their edits is endorsed by WP:BANREVERT and exempt from the three-revert rule. Edit warring to revert style changes is probably unwise, and reporting the user is likely to be about as fast and less disruptive. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 05:55, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Said t-banned and permanently blocked (sorry, my mistake) user did not really evade their sanction. Instead, they made the style changes when they were still free. NotReallySoroka (talk) 08:32, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry I misunderstood! I'm not sure what the best venue for such a discussion would be, but if the editor focused on a particular topic area, a WikiProject talk page might get the most input from interested editors. Good luck! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:05, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! NotReallySoroka (talk) 08:31, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

People born in Goa prior to statehood in 1987
I had some random thoughts about the possible birthplace issues with people born before 1987. If we look at the history of the Indian state, Goa was an union territory before attaining statehood in 1987. I had some questions regarding this;

&maltese; Rejoy2003 &maltese;    (contact)   07:40, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Are people born between 1961 & 1987 who are notable and have Wikipedia articles birth places change to Goa, Daman and Diu instead of simply Goa? Since Goa was clubbed together with Daman and Diu to form an union territory.
 * Should articles of subjects born and died prior to 1947 in Portuguese India, consider Indian or Luso-Indian? Or should we simply avoid it? Since India at that time was under the British rule.


 * I found no indication in the MOS. I would say to avoid nationality entirely, following the examples of our articles Muhammad Ali Jinnah or Dayanand Bandodkar ("founder of Pakistan"/"Chief Minister of Goa" instead of "was a Pakistani/Gaon politician"). Of course, that may not always be possible, but a specific example might help to give a better answer. Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 13:04, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Same title of Draft and Redirect
How can we move a Draft article to mainspace if there's the same title but it is a Redirect page? 98Tigerius (talk) 07:54, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @98Tigerius Assuming this is about Draft:Boys Planet you should submit it for review in the usual way. If accepted, the reviewer will sort out any needed moves and redirects. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:43, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information! 98Tigerius (talk) 13:19, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Can't get my donation to process.
The 3 digit number for the credit card does not work. I have tried on other days as well as this morning. 2600:380:A60D:1940:F21F:82F9:D8AC:B773 (talk) 10:20, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * We have nothing to do with the donation process; please email donate (at) wikimedia dot org with any donation inquiries. 331dot (talk) 10:52, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

AN ARTICLE ABOUT MYSELF
How can I edit an article about myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaajBoy (talk • contribs) 12:06, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @MaajBoy If you are the subject of an existing article, please read this linked page for full details. If you mean "how can I create an article about myself" the please read WP:AUTO for all the reasons that might not be a good idea. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:38, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Writing an article about yourself is strongly discouraged as it creates a Conflict of interest other Wikipedia policies advise against it. StarryNightSky11 ☎ 00:26, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Question about death places
What should we list on death places, neighborhood or city? I'm asking this because users keep listing Pelé's place of death as Morumbi, a neighborhood, when in reality per Brazilian press standards, deaths are listed by city and state, so his death place should be listed as São Paulo, São Paulo, Brazil, more accurately:.

Neighborhoods in Brazil hold no administrative or legal power over its areas or inhabitants, in reality they don't actually exist, and are mere popular conventions to deliver mails, with lines between neighborhoods being blurred sometimes. Bastewasket (talk) 12:25, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * MOS:BIRTHPLACE is silent on the subject, it only says: Birth and death places, if known, should be mentioned in the body of the article, and can appear in the lead if relevant to notability, but not in the opening brackets alongside the birth and death dates. I would say it is a matter for local consensus. Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 12:50, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Available Information
I have been using Wikipedia for several years, and I have donated. I use the service primarily to locate info on TV programs, specifically a list of episodes. I have noticed recently that the info I'm looking for is less and less available. More and more often my search for a list of tv program episodes yields no info. Please re-emphasize and update this info more often. I cannot continue to donate if you do not provide the info I need/want. 2600:1702:38E0:8490:C44B:12B0:3B68:A848 (talk) 12:54, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * IP editor. This is a volunteer project and those who contribute receive nothing from your donations. Why not save your cash and instead help by adding useful content: including episode details if that is what most interests you? Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:00, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * IP editor. It is no use coming onto this forum and talking about what "Wikipedia" needs to prioritize.  Wikipedia is written by thousands of volunteers who individually undertake projects that they choose to undertake.  The articles you're reading, and wish Wikipedia would improve, likely have Talk pages.  Those Talk pages will often say that the article is of interest to this or that Project in Wikipedia.  If you go to one of those projects and say that you think this or that page should be changed in this or that way, you MIGHT get results.  But there's still no guarantee; if nobody reading your suggestion chooses to take it on, nothing will happen. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:11, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Categories not appearing
Check out the very bottom of Array slicing. Now try editing it. Many of the categories, which do exist, simply do not show up in the article. Anyone know why? 108.168.93.43 (talk) 16:38, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * A number of the categories are hidden categories. You won't see them unless you enable "Show hidden categories" at Special:Preferences. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:52, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Unregistered users can see them by clicking "Page information" in the left pane of the desktop site. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:10, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Ok... but why. What is the purpose of hiding some of these cats and not others when they are essentially identical? 108.168.93.43 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 23:42, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * A discussion started many years ago at Category talk:Articles with example code. You may wish to reopen that discussion. - David Biddulph (talk) 00:05, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It makes sense to me that the general reader does not need to see a long list of maintenance categories, and might just find them confusing. They are more relevant and helpful to editors, and I suggest all serious editors turn them on. Shantavira|feed me 09:49, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The example here is about very similar hidden and unhidden categories, e.g. Category:Articles with example Perl code and Category:Articles with example Fortran code. I agree it doesn't make sense. The subcategories of Category:Articles with example code should not be a random mix of 21 hidden and 10 unhidden. Either hide all or none. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:19, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Newspaper clippings images as references
I am trying to write an article about a notable Australian fashion designer, but most of the references mentioning her name are newspaper clippings in the form of images. And the problem is that these are no longer in any online archives as most of them were been published before 2009. What's the solution? How can I use these images to prove an entry for the fashion label is needed and how to reference to these images? Hamidvs (talk) 21:17, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[ reply]
 * Hello, . There is no requirement that reliable sources be available online, and the image you describe would likely be copyright violations if posted online. Make sure that any references to newspaper articles include the article title, the author(s) (if known), the name of the newspaper, the publication date, the page number and the city (if not part of the newspaper name. Cullen328 (talk) 22:29, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Hamidvs, per WP:OFFLINE, there is no absolute requirement that a citation must have a weblink, though it's a practical thing to have when available. You can cite books, old newspapers etc that are not online if they are WP:RS. Use something like Template:Cite news, and fill it with the info you have: publisher ("work"), title of article, author, date of publication are the important ones. Page number if you have it. Check Skeeter Reece for some examples in the ref-section. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:46, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

2022 Southwest Airlines flight delays
Are the simultaneous merge and move discussions for 2022 Southwest Airlines flight delays not a violation of WP:MULTI? --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:42, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

It won’t let me edit
I tried to edit my draft but it won’t let me I put in the correct captcha but it just keeps giving me a new captcha help how am I supposed to edit my draft — Preceding unsigned comment added by 我的兄弟姐妹太多了他們都很煩人 (talk • contribs) 21:49, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You edited your draft two minutes before making this post. It is a long way from being an article, as you have no independent reliable sources to support its content. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 21:59, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Archiving talk page by moving it
I wasn't sure where to ask, and I couldn't find any information about this when searching. Today I happened upon two cases of users moving their own user talk pages as a manner to archive them (eg: moving User talk:Isabelle Belato to User talk:Isabelle Belato/Archive X). While I'm sure this is very practical, it also moves the page's history, making it much harder to search through it as the history begins to get split among several archives. I was wondering if this is an acceptable procedure or if it's discouraged. Isabelle Belato 🏳‍🌈 22:49, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * See Help:Archiving a talk page/Other procedures. It's described there as generally no longer used, but is as far as I am aware still acceptable. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:57, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Champions Chess Tour: Should this be a disambiguation page, set index article, or article (stub)?
Hello. A week ago I created Champions Chess Tour, largely just as a way to point people to the two associated articles (Champions Chess Tour 2021 or Champions Chess Tour 2022) if they search/link to it. I more or less copied the format of Nord Stream, and so added the set index article tag, though I'm not sure if this was correct ( later added a notability tag to the page). Is it fine as it was? Should I remove the one line of sourced text and call it a DAB page? Should it have a stub tag instead of a set index tag and be formatted as an actual article? Thanks. Endwise (talk) 23:36, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * As it's a small article with not much information yet, it could be considered as a stub until more content is added at a subsequent time. StarryNightSky11 ☎ 00:30, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That's not the question I asked. Endwise (talk) 00:39, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Two editions of the same event is not a set index or disambiguation. If it's short then it's a stub. If you are willing to spend a little more time then you can copy some lines and references from each article, maybe making a brief section for each season with a main link. PrimeHunter (talk) 06:47, 31 December 2022 (UTC)