Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 February 16

= February 16 =

What fonts are supported on Wikipedia?
So, I was curios which fonts were supported on Wikipedia? jawico (Talk.) 01:43, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * . You probably want to read WP:Fonts. Note that there are additional constraints on fonts that work in .svg graphics files etc but the system will swap some unsupported fonts (e.g. Arial) for ones that are supported. See commons:Help:SVG Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you're looking for MOS:FONTFAMILY. WP:Fonts just takes you to MOS:TEXT. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:11, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually,, MOS:FONTFAMILY just takes you to a specific section within WP:Fonts/MOS:TEXT but irrelevant as Jawico666 has now been blocked as a WP:SOCK. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:30, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah ok. I thought when you were telling them to read WP:Fonts you were intending to take them to a page that explains what fonts are supported on Wikipedia. But I agree it's irrelevant now that they've been blocked as a sock. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:35, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Rasheed Hasrat
Born on 16 June 1962 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdul Baqi1960 (talk • contribs) 01:53, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Articles have been deleted four times. You can see the deletion log at Rasheed Hasrat.  --David Biddulph (talk) 01:59, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Most of the deletions were for basically being a blank article. It looks like people who have tried before have tried to create it a little at a time instead of having a suitable article when they first hit publish.  I suggest that if  wants to try again that they do so in draft space and use articles for creation. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 14:22, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Editing Help for New User
Hello,

I am very new to editing in Wikipedia. I have an account and I wanted to add a name to a high school under it's Notable Alumni. I was able to add the name, but I can't enter it alphabetically with the other names listed. I also have a source to cite, but I'm having difficulty with that as well. It would be great if I could have assistance.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Retepleo (talk • contribs) 07:38, 16 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Retepleo, you added a name to "Fairfax High School (Los Angeles)", but you didn't supply a reference for doing so; since the list is prefaced by an invitation to remove names that aren't referenced, I removed it. What you added was "Marilyn Wilson-Rutherford (nee Rovell), singer, The Honey's (transferred to Hollywood Professional High School in 1963)". I (or somebody else) will be happy to readd it if you provide a reference; you're welcome to provide it here. -- Hoary (talk) 08:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Readded and copied reference from the Marilyn Wilson-Rutherford article (after reading the page in Google Books). GoingBatty (talk) 14:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Moving a table
Hi all. What it is, if you go to The Tower (2021 TV series), and open /Episodes in source mode, there's the usual table of episodes that you'd expect; but viewing the article shows an empty section with the table right below the references? Looks bizarre to say the least! Any help would be appreciated. SN54129 08:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The table source has more { than }, which must be wrong. The table is displayed, apparently correctly, when I do "Show Preview", but is still invisible when I do "Publish changes" – this makes debugging difficult. Maproom (talk) 08:49, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You were dead right—thanks for your help!   SN54129  09:07, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

page freezes when adding references - I can read but no longer edit wikipedia
Can anyone help? After a year or so of activity creating/editing wikipedia pages, I now find page freezing has become terminal - triggered when I try to add a citation. This happens whether I am logged in or not, on both of two laptops, and on different browsers, consistently now for two weeks. The windows task manager show multiple versions of the browser open - depending how often I have tried clicking on the unresponsive page. Otherwise my broadband/internet function at home is fine. Any suggestions? Thanks Philip Sugarman (talk) 15:12, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Are you using the source editor or VisualEditor? What are the exact steps you're using to add a citation?  On which articles is this happening?  GoingBatty (talk) 15:59, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying. I have tried different wikipedia pages, all present the same problem. I always use the VisualEditor. What I do is place the cursor after the punctuation, click on the cite button, and then click on the [..] area, which normally opens a referencing menu - but it freezes at this point.Philip Sugarman (talk) 16:03, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * When I'm using the VisualEditor and place the cursor after the punctuation, and click on the Cite button, I see a "Add a citation" box open up, which points to the [...] area like this screenshot. If that's not what you see, I suggest you go to VisualEditor and click "Report a problem with VisualEditor."  In the meantime, you can use the source editor to add citations - see WP:EASYREFBEGIN.  Hope this helps!  GoingBatty (talk) 16:34, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have tried to report the bug through registering with something called Phabricator, which insisted I add a _ into my log in name, anyway I filled out the form to the best of my ability, its all a bit technical. I also managed to add a reference using the source editor. The "reuse" element was greyed out which meant I had to cut and paste some code and hop[e for the best, and the effect was to repeat the reference. Thanks for your help.Philip Sugarman (talk) 18:21, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Apparently in order to get the reuse element to pop up you have to highilght the reference, and even then it doesn't work all that well. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:28, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * What happens when you try editing the source instead? -- Hoary (talk) 22:35, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Kinzua Bridge State Park has a different address and phone number
Kinzua Bridge State Park has a different address and phone number: 296 Viaduct Road, Mount Jewett, PA 16740. Phone Number: 814-778-5467. I can't see how to change that. Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.20.65.4 (talk) 20:29, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't see address or phone in Kinzua_Bridge_State_Park. If you saw this in Google, its probably the Knowledge Graph problem.  RudolfRed (talk) 21:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

An unconstructive editor?
Hello, I am a part time editor on Wikipedia and came across an editor today (after he reverted my constructive edit). The editor Victor Trevor, has and is reverting many edits and when going to his talk age and reading it, it appears he likes to revert constructive edits. His talk page is filled with excuses and apologies for countless (? vandalistic) reverts. Wondering to myself, how many editors like Victor would it take to cause Wikipedia to become a complete mess. Please visit his talk page and editing history for yourself and maybe some counseling or a ban can help Victor bvecome a constructive editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:7610:41E0:B0F4:2EE1:B03D:AB8B (talk) 20:41, 16 February 2022 (UTC)


 * So you can explain to the IP editor your reasoning ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:48, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Sir, Victor has already explained to me it was an accident. He has explained to many editors he has made mistakes. It would seem to continuous to the point of being destructive. I am not against making a mistake at all. I merely posted here in order that someone with more experience and privileges can review and decide what actionn may be beneficial to all those involved.2600:1700:7610:41E0:B0F4:2EE1:B03D:AB8B (talk) 20:55, 16 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Would you mind linking me to the page Victor said this to you? Your talk page at your current IP address is currently non-existent. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 21:12, 16 February 2022 (UTC) NEvermind. For those wondering, check Victor's talk page. ― Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 21:14, 16 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the ping, Blaze Wolf. I haven't over edit in here, and am not even sure about completed my first month of fighting against vandalism. I think that at the some points my experience was limited, and today (unfortunately) I made a lot of mistakes. These mistakes resulted the part of my experience. I would prefer not to comment on that a few accepted mistakes were warning several times (not included here), although there were hundreds of appropriate undid. -- Victor Trevor  ( talk ) 21:38, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your anti-vandalism efforts, but please be extra careful, since English isn't your first language. See Competence is required. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:58, 16 February 2022 (UTC)


 * , what I read above and on your talk page suggests to me that it would be a good idea for you to take a break of at least one month from attempting to fight what seems to you to be vandalism. There are many other things you could be doing constructively. I infer that you can read Turkish. So, as an example: the first Turkish place-name that came to my mind (after İstanbul and Ankara, of course) was Erzurum, whose article is only patchily referenced. Paragraphs of it aren't referenced at all (and may of course be factually mistaken). Could you improve this article? Of course, Erzurum is only a rather arbitrary example: there are plenty of other Turkey-related articles that would benefit from well-referenced, careful additions. -- Hoary (talk) 23:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Hoary -- Victor Trevor might very well help those articles about Turkish places or other Turkish subjects, but note that he says on his user page that he is here because he was blocked from the Turkish Wikipedia. (Edited to add:)  I hope he becomes a constructive editor. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Need help for a table
Hello. At Biblical canon, some cells have a dark green background in the "Catholic epistles (General epistles)" "and Apocalypse" sections. I would need for those dark green backgrounds to be in the same light green as the other "Yes" cells are. I have tried to do that myself, but so far I have not been succesful. Could someone do it foe me? Thanks in advance. Veverve (talk) 22:46, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 22:50, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

How do I bold a part of a word that ends in an apostrophe without putting a space between the apostrophe and the rest of the word?
This is a very specific question, but I noticed an error message in the French grammar article saying that some of the text (it was in French, so it used the lang template) had malformed markup, so I tried to fix it. Before I edited it, it looked something like this: Nous n'avons pas vu personne. The intended result was to bold n' and personne, showing how negation works in French, but it caused an error. So, I changed it to: Nous n' avons pas vu personne. However, this caused there to be a space in between n' and avons, which shouldn't be there. Does anyone know how to fix this? 96.227.138.190 (talk) 22:56, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. Instead of using the straight keyboard apostrophe ( ' ), use the curved one that Wikipedia's toolbar lets you select. ( ′ ) Look for it to the left just above the edit summary on a desktop. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  23:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Umm, that character is not a proper apostrophe; it is U+2032 PRIME used in, for example, latitude and longitude, etc. It is certainly not the correct character to be using for the example:
 * → Nous n'avons pas vu personne.
 * Instead, use :
 * → Nous n`avons pas vu personne.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 23:48, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You can also try nowiki tags for the apostrophe you want actually in the text. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  03:22, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! 96.227.138.190 (talk) 23:08, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Looking at some documentation, the backtick template ` might be recommended here. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:16, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * What documentation suggests U+0060 GRAVE ACCENT?
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 23:53, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * @Trappist the monk: Its own documentation, where it adds an apostrophe that doesn't include a leading space. Confer: This template is intended for use with non-italic text, whereas  is intended for use with italic text. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:06, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. Modified my post.  I can't say that use of the grave accent for a template name that renders something other than a grave accent makes for a good user interface design...
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 00:21, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Simple HTML:
 * <pre style="margin:3px;padding:3px;">Nous n'avons pas vu personne
 * gives: Nous n'avons pas vu personne. - Erik Baas (talk) 00:46, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Good catch - I would never have noticed the difference. This is one of the rare cases where developers made it more complicated - the camel by committee so to speak. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  00:56, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * For the record,  is valid markup and renders correctly as Nous n'avons pas vu personne. The problem occurred because the code was in   lang (via Module:Lang) explicitly searches for four or at least six consecutive apostrophes and writes an error message. There are many ways to avoid it by avoiding four consecutive apostrophes. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Just taking a step back, I don't see justification in MOS:BOLD for use of bold text in this context. Am I missing something? CodeTalker (talk) 04:06, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * This bolding technique is often used in articles that describe the various aspects of a language. MOS:FOREIGN requires non-English Latn-script text to render in an italic font.  MOS:WORDSASWORDS requires italic font for the words being discussed.  MOS:BOLD says that emphasis should be applied with the <em ></em> tags but content of those tags is rendered in italic font (  → emphasized text ) so  the reader cannot distinguish emphasized text from italicized text.  Therefore, editors have turned to bolding to provide the necessary emphasis within italicized text.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 14:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 14:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)