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= February 24 =

Can someone help me find a public-domain image?
Please pardon me if this isn't the best place to post this (and I welcome advice on that, so re-direct me if need be). I want to find a public domain image for the philosopher Gerald Heard, such as this image (for which I do not know the availability): https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8T-EVGNi99o/Vc3iLsCMDwI/AAAAAAAAGms/1hIRFUzyzXk/s1600/HEARD16.jpg

I want to find an available image that can replace the image now used in the Wikipedia article about Heard. Can someone help me in this quest? Thanks for any assistance.Joel Russ (talk) 16:16, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Since Heard is deceased, you also have the option of uploading a low-resolution non-free image to Wikipedia (not Wikimedia Commons) in keeping with Wikimedia policy as long as you include a fair use rationale (for which there are templates). I have been doing this to add images of deceased librarians. I made a blog post a while ago about how to do this, loosely, you may find it helpful. I did a quick search for public domain images and was unable to find any. Jessamyn (talk) 20:32, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Jessamyn. I'll follow that up.  Sounds like it may be just the ticket.Joel Russ (talk) 05:47, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, thanks Jessamyn. I've given it a try: Gerald Heard. For now, the photo image is showing up there (I'm not sure why the image isn't centered in the info box). Being completely new at this, I'd welcome your critique of the outcome.Joel Russ (talk) 15:46, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh hey that is great! I think the issue is that you are using the embed text as if you were putting the image inside a box within an article. Inside of an infobox, you don't need the extra stuff. So if you look at the code, where you have Henry_FitzGerald_Heard,_a.k.a._Gerald_Heard.png you actually only need Henry_FitzGerald_Heard,_a.k.a._Gerald_Heard.png and then you can include his name next to where it says 'caption' (but you don't really need it since it's right above). And if you include a short description next to where it says 'alt' it will help blind users know what it's a picture of. Can be something simple like 'black and white head shot of a middle-aged white man with a beard in a checked shirt facing left.' Hope this is helpful. Jessamyn (my talk page) 01:50, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Tags when using gadget
Why sometimes there is a tag when using gadgets like AutoWikiBrowser, HotCat, Huggle, RedWarn (renamed to Ultraviolet), and Twinkle? For example, when you use Twinkle, in the edit history, there is a tag that someone use twinkle when editing that article. Vitaium (talk) 00:06, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi there! I don't understand your question.  Could you please give a specific example?  GoingBatty (talk) 02:39, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It's about Special:Tags, e.g "Tag: Huggle" at .  Tags says: "Edit tags can be used to detect potentially harmful edits or software bugs." By the way, AutoWikiBrowser, Huggle and RedWarn aren't gadgets. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:28, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Notes and queries
How do I flag content with a note or query? In this case the existing content is directly self-contradictory, and I don't know which part (if either) may be true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2407:7000:9561:9700:608C:89F2:97AE:BD4E (talk) 00:58, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You can use . See Template:Clarify for more information. Could also leave a note at the article talk page as well, to say what it is that is not clear. Eagleash (talk) 02:37, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There's also Self-contradictory - see the template documentation for information about the parameters. Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 02:41, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

"upstream connect error or disconnect/reset before headers. reset reason: overflow"
I am getting this error every so often. Waiting a minute or two and trying again fixes it. I am curious about what the error means and whether a more user-friendly error message would be preferable. 03:10, 24 February 2022 (UTC)2600:1700:D0A0:21B0:D0CE:5870:28A1:F012 (talk)
 * The devs know about it and are working on fixing it. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 03:15, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Link to phabricator (the ticketing system). Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 13:16, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

What actually happens when a paid editor does not disclose their paid editing?
I'm not saying that I'm paid to edit (I'm not), but what if a paid editor does not disclose that they are being paid for editing even after multiple requests? I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 04:54, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * If you can prove they're being paid to edit, email an administrator you trust with the information for a block. Oftentimes the behaviour of such editors is disruptive enough that whether they're being paid or not ends up being academic. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 05:13, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I.hate.spam.mail.here if I have good reason to think that someone is an undeclared paid editor, I will block indefinitely, sometimes without warning if it's clear-cut eg we at Bloggs Widgets Ltd are the world's best widget makers. It's often pretty obvious anyway, a lengthy promo for a company or product as the first significant edit from an account is unlikely to be a good faith attempt Jimfbleak - talk to me?  15:00, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Do all Wikipedia administrators have conflict of interests with this page?
Per WP:COI, conflict-of-interest editing is discouraged. Isn't an administrator editing an article about Wikipedia administrators COI editing? I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 05:10, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You may be right, . I am an administrator but I do not recall ever editing that particular page. But editors with a COI are allowed to revert things like vandalism, personal attacks and harassment, copyright violations, legal threats and the like. So, in order to establish that there is a problem here, you would need to establish that the specific edits in question are unjustified by policies and guidelines. Cullen328 (talk) 05:39, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I never thought about this, but wouldn't every single Wikipedia editor has a WP:COI on Wikipedia community article or even Wikipedia? Neocorelight (Talk) 05:52, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I was thinking about that a couple days ago. It's an interesting question – I believe one of the COI guidelines state that volunteers for things count as people with COIs. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  05:59, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Conflict of interest says: "Any external relationship can trigger a conflict of interest." Being a Wikipedia administrator is not an external relationship in Wikipedia. I'm an administrator so I may be biased but I don't see an issue with administrators making edits about administrators, or Wikipedia editors in general making edits about Wikipedia. Who would edit English Wikipedia if not English Wikipedia editors? PrimeHunter (talk) 06:05, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed, in this case, you'd want to have a look at the rule of necessity 10:53, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * As a not-administrator, I believe they don't exactly have a conflict of interest. Admins are regular content creators (with added privileges) on WP just like someone might be a content creator on Blogger or WordPress (with added privileges, if they pay for it!!). And them editing the corresponding Wikipedia articles wouldn't be seen as a COI. However, an employee or business partner of the said companies editing their article would be a COI. Drawing parallels, I believe Admins don't have a COI but WMF employees do. ---CX Zoom(he/him) (let's talk&#124;contribs) 17:14, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Watchlist filters
Hi there. I edit DE since a over a decade now but I have an issue with the watch list filters in EN. Whenever I access the watchlist there is a filter "Current version" (I have the German UI, so I hope that's what it says in English). It prevents me from seeing all changes and shows only the last change on an article. I have created a default filter and saved it without "Current version" set but if I access the watchlist using a bookmark in my browser the watchlist will not use the default filter and I always end up with "Current version" activated. How can I get rid of "Current version" once and for all? :-) CarlFromVienna (talk) 06:54, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Enable "Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent" at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:01, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Got it, thanks! CarlFromVienna (talk) 07:13, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Bakari Henderson
Hello,

Would you be able to assist with creating a Wikipedia page for Bakari Henderson and the ongoing Greece trial or be able to point me in the right direction?

Sincerely, Laura — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leigh Land (talk • contribs) 17:41, 24 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I see there's plenty of news now about the retrial of his killers
 * https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/23/world/europe/bakari-henderson-killing-greece-retrial.html
 * https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bakari-henderson-killing-retrial-greece-no-murder-charge-video-deadly-beating/
 * https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1178182/retrial-over-the-death-of-bakari-henderson-rescheduled-for-march-11/
 * https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17618209/bakari-henderson-amrican-tourist-murder-greece-selfie/
 * but no evidence that that Mr. Henderson himself was notable enough to warrant an article. However the killing may be considered notable, I can't judge. Maproom (talk) 18:49, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Killing of Bakari Henderson, it seems to me, is clearly notable enough for an article. Since whether the killing was murder is one of the main issues under dispute, we would want to avoid its use in the article title. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  19:41, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

section edit links
How do we get section edit links like I suspect is on the line above this? My sandbox doesn't have them! Gah4 (talk) 22:04, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * , your creation User:Gah4/sandbox5 has them. Is there something about them that remains a mystery? -- Hoary (talk) 01:57, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Gah4/sandbox transcludes User:Gah4/sandbox/table where you addded in . This removes section edit links when the page is trancluded. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:14, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I thought it must be something strange like that. I moved some things over to sandbox5, and those recovered their links. With binary search, I might have eventually found it. It was some years ago that I wrote that one, or maybe copied it from somewhere, and I don't know why I would have wanted that. Before I wrote this, I did find some of those __xxx__ flags, in the help pages, but not that one. Thanks, thanks, thanks! Gah4 (talk) 02:21, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It is very strange. Editing the page doesn't show that line. I had to undo from the changes page. I completely forgot doing that, but I suspect when I did, I thought it would only apply for that section. What seems to happen is that the table gets its own section, in addition to the section including it. That is, not only for the section, but for the table itself. I suspect I was trying to prevent that one, not realizing it would cover the whole page. The tables go into another page, and I think are not now included, but I thought about doing it. I was also looking how other included tables work. I might work on these tables again, which are generate with AWK programs from IAEA tables. Gah4 (talk) 02:48, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I guess you tried to click the section edit link at User:Gah4/sandbox/table. The code was in the lead section (which has no rendered content) so you had to click the edit tab. If a transcluded page has section headings then they are included but the section edit link goes to the transcluded page with the section code. Maybe you wanted to avoid that. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:02, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, I thought I went to User:Gah4/sandbox/table and clicked edit, but it does seem like, somehow, it was doing a section edit when I thought it wasn't. OK, next thing. Why is it that you can't make a link to User:Gah4/sandbox. It seems you can make a link to subpages, or other numbered sandbox, but not that one. Gah4 (talk) 07:32, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, I get it now. I tried it out in my sandbox (that is what it is for!) but it wouldn't make a link. So it is just that pages can't make a link to themself, which makes sense, but surprised me. Gah4 (talk) 07:34, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It's the Help:Self link feature. You can make a section link to the page itself. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:40, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It surprised me, as I was testing links to my sandbox, in my sandbox, just the place we are supposed to test things. So when it didn't work, my first thought was that it disallowed links to a sandbox. (Made some sense.) Gah4 (talk) 06:43, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, I thought I went to User:Gah4/sandbox/table and clicked edit, but it does seem like, somehow, it was doing a section edit when I thought it wasn't. OK, next thing. Why is it that you can't make a link to User:Gah4/sandbox. It seems you can make a link to subpages, or other numbered sandbox, but not that one. Gah4 (talk) 07:32, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, I get it now. I tried it out in my sandbox (that is what it is for!) but it wouldn't make a link. So it is just that pages can't make a link to themself, which makes sense, but surprised me. Gah4 (talk) 07:34, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It's the Help:Self link feature. You can make a section link to the page itself. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:40, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It surprised me, as I was testing links to my sandbox, in my sandbox, just the place we are supposed to test things. So when it didn't work, my first thought was that it disallowed links to a sandbox. (Made some sense.) Gah4 (talk) 06:43, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It surprised me, as I was testing links to my sandbox, in my sandbox, just the place we are supposed to test things. So when it didn't work, my first thought was that it disallowed links to a sandbox. (Made some sense.) Gah4 (talk) 06:43, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It surprised me, as I was testing links to my sandbox, in my sandbox, just the place we are supposed to test things. So when it didn't work, my first thought was that it disallowed links to a sandbox. (Made some sense.) Gah4 (talk) 06:43, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

New annoying notifications
How do I turn these silly messages off (e.g. "Your edit was saved.")? Clarityfiend (talk) 23:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)


 * @Clarityfiend: You may find the discussion here helpful -- TNT (talk • she/her) 23:46, 24 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks. ("Your edit was thanked.") Clarityfiend (talk) 01:27, 28 February 2022 (UTC)