Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 February 27

= February 27 =

Name of Financial Times article
If there's a better place to ask this, please let me know. Basically, I'm trying to clear some of the "generic title" cs1 errors. I need someone who has a Financial Times subscription to literally just confirm the name of this article: I'm pretty sure it's called "Lawsuit tracker: Donald Trump's legal battle runs into repeated dead ends", but it technically could just be the article named on the subscribe page that it redirects me to. Thanks for any help! --Xurizuri (talk) 06:18, 27 February 2022 (UTC) (please ping me if you respond)


 * @Xurizuri If you don't get a good reply here, try WP:RX. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:10, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Merge?
Should BVW and BWV (disambiguation) be merged? Both are disambig pages. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 06:33, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Bubba73, LBW is also a disambig page. Why not merge all three? Because none of the three "LBW", "BVW" and "BWV" is the same as either of the others, that's why not. -- Hoary (talk) 07:31, 27 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Whoops, I didn't notice that the last two letters were swapped. Why does one have "(disambiguation)" and the other doesn't?  Should it be added to the one that doesn't have it? (I don't know the policy.) Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 08:23, 27 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Bubba73, editors have supposed that when people look for "BWV", they're highly likely to have Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis in mind (though they may not remember the latter name). Thus BWV redirects there, and an additional page is created for disambiguation. (Such an arrangement isn't limited to abbreviations. Obama redirects to Barack Obama, and there's an additional page Obama (disambiguation) -- note the "hatnote" advertising it atop the article about the Prez.) But there's nothing similarly popular/preferred for "BVW", and therefore BVW is itself a disambiguation page. -- Hoary (talk) 12:08, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, in fact, I was looking for the Bach abbreviation (and transposed the last two letters). Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 17:38, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Two different UTCs for creation
What I see in Michigan on my 3 PCs as the first edit of Samuel Loudon is - Revision as of 04:22, 24 February 2022 (edit) Gwillhickers (talk | contribs) (Create Article: Samuel Loudon (printer))

What the creator of the article sees on his PC in California (3 hours earlier) as the first edit of Samuel Loudon is - Revision as of 04:22, 23 February 2022 (edit) Gwillhickers (talk | contribs) (Create Article: Samuel Loudon (printer))

This then presents the problem of where to place the article listing in Template talk:Did you know, as it is suppose to be listed in the section of "Articles created/expanded on date". What date should the article be listed under, the 23rd or 24th? Why would different PCs on opposite ends of the United States show different dates of creation? --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:59, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Times in logs are UTC by default but the time zone can be set at Special:Preferences. 04:22, 24 February 2022 is the UTC time. Are you sure it says 04:22 for him? If he has set California time (America/Los Angeles) at Special:Preferences then it should say 20:22, 23 February 2022. There is no time zone where it should say 04:22, 23 February 2022. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:19, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Bingo. From a screenshot he emailed me IT DOES IN FACT say 20:22, 23 February 2022. So then he created the article on February 23rd = right? --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:58, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * No. 2022-02-24T04:22 UTC (Wikipedia time).   Gwillhickers time is PST which is UTC-08 so: 2022-02-24T04:22 UTC - 08:00 = 2022-02-23-20:22 PST which is Gwillhickers time.
 * Creation/edit/other dates at en.wiki must all be referenced to the same timezone else confusion. For the avoidance of confusion, en.wiki uses UTC as the time/date arbiter.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 15:34, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * So are you saying February 24th is the date of creation. IF that is the case then the article listing in Template talk:Did you know should be under the February 24 section as it is suppose to be listed in the section that the article was created. It is now listed at Template_talk:Did_you_know. So, should it be listed instead at Template_talk:Did_you_know? --Doug Coldwell (talk) 16:36, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It is not for me to say because I have never had anything to do with dyk. Shouldn't your question be directed to the editors who run WP:DYK?  Isn't it for them to decide which date (the en.wiki reference date or the user-configured date) is the date that determines where in the queue a dyk candidate belongs?  Perhaps the rules at WP:DYK should be clarified.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 16:54, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You were most helpful. Now I see how the difference came about = because of Preference setting. I'll take it from here. Thanks again.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 17:31, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You were most helpful. Now I see how the difference came about = because of Preference setting. I'll take it from here. Thanks again.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 17:31, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Urdu Language add request
Dear Concern, I would like to request you kindly add Urdu language in WIKIPEDIA then we can easily understand about the information. Thank You

Regards Muhammad Hassan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.110.81.141 (talk) 13:21, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There has been an Urdu-language Wikipedia since January of 2004. You will find it here. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  13:34, 27 February 2022 (UTC)


 * But, Muhammad, this doesn't mean that every article in English Wikipedia is also available in Urdu Wikipedia: far from it. Each edition of Wikipedia is a separate project, with its own rules and policies, and its own cohort of volunteer editors The articles which exist in Urdu Wikipedia are those which some editor there has chosen to create: they may be based on translations of English articles, or they may not. --ColinFine (talk) 18:13, 27 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Both the English Wikipedia and the Urdu Wikipedia are volunteer projects, with all content created by volunteer editors. You can help! Since you can read English and presumably are fluent in Urdu, you can pick a few articles from the English Wikipedia and translate them to create articles in the Urdu Wikipedia: see Translate us. Go to the Urdu Wikipedia help desk to ask them about their procedures for this. -Arch dude (talk) 18:27, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

photos and how to know if he's authorised
Yesterday, I asked a photographer to be authorised to use a photo that belongs to him. If he authorises me to do so, will I be allowed to use in all Wikimedia projects and how will I be able to know if he's authorised me or not as the reply email will be sent at permissions-en@wikimedia.org? Dr Salvus 13:32, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The waiver, if given, will be for anybody and everybody to use that photograph, subject to certain specifics of the license they grant. It will not only be for all Wikimedia projects, but for private projects, commercial exploitation, etc. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  13:36, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * @Orangemike thanks but you haven't replied to the other question yet Dr Salvus 14:10, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * , you ask for the photogapher to be authorised. He is the only one who can do the authorising. He can most easily do it by creating a an account on Wikimedia Commons and uploading the photo there, declaring it as his own work and providing a suitable license. If he does, you will then be able to use it in all Wikimedia projects. Maproom (talk) 15:28, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * what I've asked is: If the authorisation will be given and he writes the autorisation at permissions-en@wikimedia.org, how can I know he's given the permission? Dr Salvus 15:35, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You could ask him (and ask him what filename he uploaded it to). If you don't want to do that, you can search Wikimedia Commons for the filename he might have used. Maproom (talk) 15:39, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Why isn't the assasination of Alberta Williams King listed in the daily historic events of June 1974?
I am aghast to read through the tumultuous record of June 1974 and find this omission? I am not a contributor to Wiki but am reaching out to someone better qualified than myself to amend this record. It is important for posterity to document the record of these acts of social illness and evil. Lest we forget. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:9000:810B:857F:C127:66E2:2A84:9ABB (talk) 15:17, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * .  Maproom (talk) 15:31, 27 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming you mean the WP-article June 1974. The answer is very likely "None of the c. 20 people who edited that article thought about it, quite possibly because they knew nothing about her." WP, like history, is made by the people who show up. The best solution: WP:Be bold. WP:TUTORIAL can be of help to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:53, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * For the record, her death is mentioned in June 30, 1974, and 1974 in the United States. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:29, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I have implemented the change myself. It's pretty easy to add things like this if the article you're looking at has the information in it already – write a sentence saying "xxx happened to xxx" and copy over a source supporting the content from the associated article you're looking at for reference (in this case, Alberta Williams King). Just check the source quickly to see if it backs up the information you're attempting to add, and then add it. Good luck! Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  00:40, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Infobox backlog sorting
I'm looking through the backlog on Category:Wikipedia infobox backlog, and it seems that a lot of the articles labeled as needing infoboxes already have them. Is there an automated way to check if an article has an infobox and to remove it from the category if it does? Or do users have to check them all one at a time and remove the tags on the talk pages individually? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:01, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It's all done via WikiProject tags. It's not automated, but you can use the rater script to remove it. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:07, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * If someone wanted to write a Quarry query that contains a list of talk pages in Category:Wikipedia infobox backlog whose articles have an infobox, I'd then submit a bot request to run through that list and remove the infobox needed parameter.
 * Another issue is talk pages that state the articles need infoboxes/photos, but the articles are now redirects, so the WikiProjects need to be changed (e.g. to Talk:Ismail Adouab.  GoingBatty (talk) 23:51, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Cannot login to Wikipedia Mobile app and other language wikipedia account
My wikipedia account is made through id.wikipedia.org. I have problems logging in directly to en.wikipedia.org, I have to login through id.wikipedia.org first, then access en.wikipedia.org. Now I have installed wikipedia Android app, and I cannot login with my account, I'm not sure whether there is switch to id.wikipedia in the mobile app. Is there anything I should do to merge my account or to be able to login? Thanks --FeliciaKrismanta (talk) 18:40, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi there! See mw:Wikimedia Apps/Android FAQ and m:Help:Unified login.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 23:57, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia page for own band projects
Hi there!

A friend of mine would like to create his own pages on Wikipedia for his band projects https://j-sax.ca and https://live-sax.ch. Is he authorized to do so?

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards

Tom — Preceding unsigned comment added by TomRobShe (talk • contribs) 18:47, 27 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello @TomRobShe, thanks for asking. It is very (very) likely that such an attempt will not be successful but a waste of time, his and other's. Please take the time to read these links: WP:BAND, WP:COI and WP:AUTO. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:22, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Business Magnet vs Business Magnate
Please concur and assist. "Business magnate" is incorrect business terminology. It should be termed "business magnet". It is understandable mistake though. But, a "magnate" is of royal office not even in a "business enviroment". Therefore, any references to a "business magnate" would technically be considered an oxymoron. However, when, refering to a "business magnet", it generally infers an attractive quality of someone in business. Similar to a "magnetic attraction". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karen Yvonne Harrington (talk • contribs) 20:33, 27 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi Karen. I can find no usage of the term "business magnet". The correct term, as is used in our article, is business magnate. —C.Fred (talk) 20:36, 27 February 2022 (UTC)


 * See any online dictionary:, , ... AndyTheGrump (talk)


 * Even a google search will clarify things. business magnet will get you things that stick to refrigerators; business magnate will get you captains of industry. Magnet and magnate are homophones. I suggest reading up on them.— rsjaffe 🗣️ 21:16, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * And a business magnate is not about attraction. Magnate is a much more appropriate word than magnet, but that's not why we use it. The important thing for Wikipedia is what reliable sources say, and they say business magnate. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:42, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Possibly this comment relates to Elon Musk, who demanded that the Wikipedia article on him call him a "business magnet" (not "business magnate") a while ago. See Talk:Elon Musk/FAQ. — Bilorv ( talk ) 21:33, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, Elon can call himself whatever he wants. In reality: magnet 🧲 magnate 😁💰 — rsjaffe 🗣️ 21:53, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There are babe magnets, so it's not that farfetched, but Musk was only joking. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:44, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Lock / Delete MY account
Hello! Please close/delete/ lock my account and associated information ). Thanks!
 * Accounts cannot be deleted. Just stop using your account.  RudolfRed (talk) 22:08, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Not that this helps anyone but I'm always puzzled by the accounts whose only edit is to request deletion. Eggishorn  (talk) (contrib) 22:32, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You can probably request for it to be blocked, which will lock the account; however, the account name will still exist, and if you change your mind, you can request an unblock. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  00:44, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Page Status
I created a new page months ago and it has not been approved or rejected. Is there a way to know how much longer until it is reviewed or how to expedite the process?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by John4243 (talk • contribs) 22:02, 27 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, John4243. You created Draft:Edwin J. Hess, but you have never submitted it for review, so it is likely that nobody has looked at it. Please past {{subst:submit}} (including the double curly brackets) at the top, and that will submit it for review. Even then, there is no way to tell how long it will take, as it is not a queue: reviewers pick up drafts as they choose. But it looks to be well-structured, and the references presented properly, so my guess is that a reviewer will look at it fairly soon. (I express no opinion as to whether it is likely to be accepted or not: I haven't looked at the references or (much) at the text. ColinFine (talk) 23:50, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Correction: you have previously submitted the draft and it was declined. You removed the decline notice (despite the message "Please do not remove reviewer comments or this notice until the submission is accepted.") and thereby removed the "Resubmit" button. I have restored it, so you may resubmit it.
 * I obeserve that you claim to be the copyright holder of the photo File:Hessimg2.jpg and the other two photos in the draft, which strongly suggests that you have a connection with Hess. If so, you need to read about editing with a conflict of interest, and if you are in any way paid for this work, or it is part of your employment, you need to declare yourself as a paid editor. ColinFine (talk) 23:57, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Suggestion: source the info about his work outside of Exxon. Don't add anything that isn't sourced. For example, the entire last paragraph is unsourced. Otherwise this would be better added to ExxonMobil and his name turned into a redirect. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  03:09, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Each award should also have a published reliable source. Also, see WP:SURNAME.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 03:16, 28 February 2022 (UTC)