Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 January 18

= January 18 =

Question about uploading an image
Hi Everyone,

About a week ago, i recieved some guidance on uploading an image with an email template, but i realize that the user I am recieving the image from may not be using wikipedia, therefore they wont be able to upload the image themselves.

I wanted to add an image of Vladimir Torchilin to his Wikipedia page, but could not find an image that allowed for free use on the internet. I went on to email him, and he sent me an image of himself to use. How would i go about using this? Do i need anything further from him to allow me to use the image? Thanks, --RealPharmer3 (talk) 01:28, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * See WP:Donating copyrighted materials. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:05, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * How could we use the image of him, without having him create a wikipedia account and uploading himself? Is there a way he can give me permission to upload it on his behalf? --RealPharmer3 (talk) 16:35, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * See WP:Donating copyrighted materials. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:41, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Request for someone to review Tiancheng Lou
Hi. Can someone please review and mark this article? It has managed to be featured as did you know on the front page. Not sure how it is able to be approved for front page viewing but not still not marked down as reviewed.

-Imcdc (talk) 01:56, 18 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Imcdc now done. Did you know and New pages patrol are separate processes, so either can be done first. TSventon (talk) 14:06, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Leader of Opposition in Lok Sabha (India)
This user Venkat TL is adding Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury as the Leader of Opposition in Lok Sabha but he is not Leader of Opposition, he is the leader of INC in lok sabha. The post is vacant since 2014 has no party has 10% (55 seats) seats in Lok Sabha expect BJP. No official government website mention him as Leader of opposition in Lok Sabha. [] [] []  Nitesh003 (TALK)  09:27, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

You are using a site that says it was last updated in 2015. Check the recent secondary sources I have added into the article. [P.S.: You should have started this thread on Talk:Leader of the Opposition in Lok Sabha. --Venkat TL (talk) 09:52, 18 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Why they should update when there is no leader of opposition.  Nitesh003 (TALK)  09:54, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Go and ask Modi why he is not updating. Venkat TL (talk) 10:03, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment with facts.
 * []  Nitesh003 (TALK)  10:09, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * at least 55 seats are needed to become official opposition party but congress has only 55 seats.  Nitesh003 (TALK)  10:12, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Why are you posting old articles. I am not wasting my time in responding here anymore. Go and talk to The Pioneer (India) and fight with them Venkat TL (talk) 10:14, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Is The Pioneer more reliable than Government sources.  Nitesh003 (TALK)  10:20, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * In comparison to old government site that was not updated since 2015, of course. It is high time that you read and understand the difference between Primary, secondary and tertiary sources. Venkat TL (talk) 10:23, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury will
 * remain the Leader of Congress in Lok Sabha" from the above source you provided.  Nitesh003 (TALK)  10:26, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge
Ref number 118  and 125 -  (the exact same refs, please do the "double-up" thing if you can)  - are  from a pdf;  is that reasonable? They don't look correct to me, please help. Thank you very much 49.198.41.28 (talk) 10:15, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * They seem to have been added in your edits. The process to deal with it is at WP:NAMEDREFS.  --David Biddulph (talk) 10:22, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

How to create my own Wikipedia page?
I have already logged in and provided all the relevant information about myself in the sandbox of Wikipedia now I want to publish the same in wiki page. Kindly provide me the process to publish the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pushpa Bajaj (talk • contribs) 10:28, 18 January 2022 (UTC)


 * @Pushpa Bajaj Please read Autobiography. Venkat TL (talk) 10:39, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, your draft is not in English, so doesn't belong in the English Wikipedia, and you have no references to demonstrate the subject's notability. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:42, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Name Shivaji should be revised to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivaji

Please revise the name Shivaji to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj.

Regards, Jeevan Chogale — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.48.216.226 (talk) 11:04, 18 January 2022 (UTC)


 * No. Please read WP:COMMONNAME Venkat TL (talk) 11:11, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * From a quick look at the references, there could be an argument that "Shivaji Maharaj" is the WP:COMMONNAME - although I suspect "Maharaj" is a honorific suffix in which case MOS:HON applies and it should not be included. (Any editor with any sort of knowledge about Indian honorifics is welcome to correct my guesses.) Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 11:25, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Navbar question
could you please tell me how to figure out the template:Navbar? Maybe if possible, could you please provide an example of its usage, or else simply explain what it is used for, and how it is used? I just went to view that template, and clicked "what links here." that took me to alkali metals, but I didn't see any link or transclusion to that template.

I've been here quite a while, so I should probably already know this, but I seem to be having some trouble. I appreciate any help. thanks. Please ping me when you reply. ---Sm8900 (talk) 🌍 12:52, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * oh wait, I think I get it now. navbar is simply the three tiny links in the upper-left corner of a template, that provide the links labeled as "V T E," to edit the navbox? So I guess that the only actual template that I would use for this is navbox? thanks. ---Sm8900 (talk) 🌍 13:05, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Navbar only makes "V T E" or similar links. What to use depends on what you want to do. Most editors never use Navbar directly but may use Navbox and other navigation templates which call Navbar. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:15, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

New editors
Hello, can you tell me is there a place for new editors, in a sense that you can go trough some process that follow you all the way? Like, semi automatic editing. I was talking with friend of mine who knows little bit, but he cannot tell me that much. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nox Lumen (talk • contribs) 15:12, 18 January 2022 (UTC) --Nox Lumen (talk) 15:13, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello . I left a generic welcome message on your talk page, which has some helpful links. In addition to the links in that message, you may be looking for something like The Wikipedia Adventure, which is a sort of gamified tutorial.  Let me know if you have questions or are looking for something different. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 15:22, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There's also a place for newcomers to ask questions like here at the Help desk located at WP:TEA. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:26, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:39, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Information on band's own website is wrong?
I came across Draft:GAUPA which states that "gaupa" means "lynx" in Swedish. I speak Swedish quite well and had never heard of that word, Swedish for "lynx" is "lodjur". According to Wiktionary, "gaupa" means "lynx" in Icelandic, not Swedish. However, even the band's own website claims "gaupa" means "lynx" in Swedish, which is odd considering they seem to be Swedish themselves and don't understand their own language. Should Wikipedia perpetuate this erroneous information because it's based directly on the source, or mention that it is erroneous? J I P &#124; Talk 15:18, 18 January 2022 (UTC)


 * @JIP, I'd never heard it either, but lo and behold, according to sv-WP they have a point. I rather like "Kattegöba." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:38, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * See also "göpa" in Svenska Akademiens ordbok. —  Wasell ( T ) 15:41, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Can't argue with S. Lagerlöf. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:43, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * In general, it's possible that two reliable sources disagree with each other. In that case, the article can state something like "While X states this fact, Y states this other fact. " Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 16:36, 18 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The Swedish Wikipedia article, cited above, states "Folkligt kallades lodjur förr för göpa" which google translate leads me to believe says "People used to call lynx "göpa". Seems cromulent.  -- Jayron 32 16:41, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Using images I created from pictures taken of a mural in Mexico
I have been given 7 days to address issues related to images I used in an article about a mural in Oaxaca City, Mexico. Here is a link to the article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oaxaca_en_la_historia_y_en_el_mito. First question. Can I discuss this here or do I need to connect to folks at Wiki Commons? If I do, I would be grateful if you could provide a link to where I have to go.

If this is the right spot to raise my question, you will see on every image is a 7 day deletion warning. I added some text today to explain my right to use the images. Is that sufficient. The artist died a few years ago and I am in touch with his daughter. If I need to get some sort of permission from her, please tell me what it is.

Thanks for your consideration ArbyBB (talk) 15:35, 18 January 2022 (UTC)


 * You should probably go to the Commons Help Desk. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  15:37, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Nonsense

 * , referring an argument to a different page can be helpful, though I think Copyright problems would be a better place than the Help desk. Copying just one side of an argument to a different page is FORUMSHOPPING, and is unhelpful and disruptive. Either take it to Copyright problems (being careful not to present it in a one-sided manner), or else follow the procedures in WP:dispute resolution. --ColinFine (talk) 18:16, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

please remove my photo!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smiths Please can you remove my photograph of the Smiths as I'm finding people think they can use it free! I shot the Smiths at the Salford Lads club in 1985 see my website www.smithsphotos.com

many thanks Stephen Wright

S — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.17.30 (talk) 16:48, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It looks like that image is tagged as fair use. Please go here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SmithsPromoPhoto_TQID_1985.jpg and review the fair use info. If you still think it is not fair use you can email . Naleksuh (talk) 16:49, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia "fair use" is not well understood by a lot of people, many of whom seem to take a very relaxed attitude toward obeying copyright law in any case. As with any other image on the Internet, a person should not copy the image unless first determining its copyright status. Wikipedia's "fair use" criteria are very stringent, and when we use such an image in Wikipedia, we try very hard to make sure we are complying with the law. We do not assert that our fair use somehow applies to other users of the material, in fact, quite the opposite: we assert that it does not provide a fair use rationale for any use outside of Wikipedia. I am not a lawyer. I suggest you contact a lawyer about using the provisions of the DMCA, specifically the use of "takedown notices", to force non-Wikipedia sites to take down those images. -Arch dude (talk) 21:54, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I have a minor nitpick, . "Fair use" is a concept from US law and jurisprudence that applies to any site, Wikipedia or not, with the same criteria. Wikipedia does have an "advantage" over other websites: legal analysis of a fair use claim starts (cf. Fair use) with a "purpose and character of the use" prong which a Wikipedia article will almost always pass and a post on social media will very often fail.
 * In addition to that, the English Wikipedia does have additional criteria for use which restrict further than fair use would allow, both to create a legal safety margin (e.g. low-resolution images are less likely to fail the prongs of "substantial portion use" and "effect on potential market") and to discourage the use of non-free works (because free licenses are good yada yada - for instance the "no non-free photograph of a living person" rule is entirely disconnected from legal concerns). In other language Wikipedias, they disallow fair use entirely and require a free license. Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 10:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I can snip a version of that photo from Smiths' website that gives me a 55 kb image with more of the background visible. So I'm not sure how deleting Wikipedia's "fair use" image would help avoid piracy by third parties. The image in the article here is only 17 kb. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:36, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, and I thought that I said what you said, but to restate: Our "fair use" rationale applies to our use of the image on Wikipedia. If another site chooses to assert "fair use" for their use of the same image, then that site will need a "fair use" rationale that applies specifically to their site. They might choose to copy the wording of our rationale, but it is entirely the responsibility of each separate site to ensure that whatever the wording they use, it applies to the way they use the image on their site and their rationale must appear on their site. -Arch dude (talk) 18:57, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I doubt that OP will ever read this, but I want to clarify something. First, I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. Fair use is not a legal right to use an image, but an affirmative defense in court for the acceptable use of non-free content. Wikipedia's fair use rationale on the photo's page essentially just lays out preemptively what rationale would be used if this were to be litigated. It is based on what is most commonly accepted in US case law, which we use to set our own criteria for the limited use of non-free content. You can read Wikipedia's policy here: WP:NFCC. Wikipedia's criteria are deliberately narrower and more conservative than the commonly accepted criteria for fair use in the United States; it is unlikely that Wikipedia would lose such a case after adhering to its criteria. Other websites using the version of the image found on Wikipedia be in violation of copyright law, regardless of whether or not they publicize their own fair use rationale. Copyright owners typically see more success by seeking redress with these third party potential violators rather than with Wikipedia. Best wishes,  Alex Eng ( TALK ) 04:57, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Wow! Thanks for sharing this one! I continue to remain intrigued by this topic (i.e. Fair use) and you have laid it out here brilliantly (at least for me to understand). Ktin (talk) 05:06, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

reporting a person/company trying to charge for help
I got this today (i've already created my page which is live)

Anna Harrison  10:23 AM (1 hour ago) to me

Hi Christine, I hope this email finds you well.

We have received an online inquiry that you are looking to create a Wikipedia page, below is the process we follow for the creation of a Wikipedia page:

Once you're done signing up with us, we would send you a brief form to fill in which there will be certain questions asked based on your personal or company profile.

Once we take on the subject, we assign a research team who conducts full in-depth research into your online presence, of course, you're also welcome to send us articles, information, or general guidance if you like. Once all research is conducted we then move on to inputting that information into a draft with Wikipedia's guidelines and the writing style guide, then we send you a draft for your comments and approval before moving forward with publishing the entry on Wikipedia.

The standard timeline is between 60-90 days.

We'll provide you with the 100% ownership rights of the page so that you can, later on, add more as per your needs and requirements.

Our package ranges from $699-$1999 depending on what your requirements are.

Please find the details of the packages below:

Wikipedia Legend Standard Plan: Cost: $699.00 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikkipoy (talk • contribs) 17:33, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Per WP:SCAM, "If someone contacts you with such an offer, please send a copy of the email, including headers, to paid-en-wp@wikimedia.org." Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 17:54, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, help is free here on Wikipedia. No one can make you pay for help. Also, you can't pay to make an article. If the subject of your article is not notable then no amount of money will make it into an article. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:08, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Luckily it appears your article has been accepted so the email wouldn't be of much use to you anyways. Also, per WP:OWN, no one owns any page/article on Wikipedia. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:09, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The claim "We'll provide you with the 100% ownership rights of the page so that you can, later on, add more as per your needs and requirements." is an outright lie. The company can't provide "100% ownership rights" to any page as the concept of "ownership rights" does not exist on Wikipedia. On Wikipedia, no one "owns" any page or is in any sort of authority position over it. The company cannot stop other Wikipedia editors from editing the page they have created. In short, the message the company sent is a lie. J I P  &#124; Talk 18:49, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Would be curious if we can ask them -- "Please can you share some samples of your work on Wikipedia". Ktin (talk) 05:08, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Ssentongo Haruna
How do I protect my user page my account has been blocked and edited by Ndj-de and other users they abuse and delete my information I believe Wikipedia is not for pay they want me to pay them they keep hacking my account and abuse people and late they say it's me abusing  How ever much am a new user please be considerate of this they even blocked my friends account  Ssentongo Haruna And they removed him from the ugandans net worth list  Ssentongo haruna has a net worth of 420usd he has a right to be on that list {{cite|web https://www.watchdoguganda.com/business/20210312/110284/entreprising-sentongo-haruna-builds-empire-worth-usd420m-brick-by-brick.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kareninaq mine (talk • contribs) 18:25, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @Kareninaq mine: Your Wikipedia account has never been blocked, and only your user talk page has been edited by one person. I assume you have questions about List of Ugandans by net worth, which has been semiprotected, preventing unregistered and new accounts from directly editing the page.{{pb}}Unless your user page has been the subject of vandalism or something similar, requests for protection are unlikely to be granted.{{pb}}Taking a further look at the article's history this appears to be sockpuppetry at work, and may involve the blocked user {{np|Sentongo Haruna}}. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:32, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Halo am requesting unblock of Ssentongo Haruna account was blocked globally He did not abuse any Njd-de, Drm310 and pahunkat keep distributing his account please protect it and allow him login into again Add him to the list of ugandans with net worth again thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kareninaq mine (talk • contribs) 18:59, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Sockpuppet investigations/Izaaqnewton refers. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:03, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Image-use question
Would I be able to use under the "Public domain" copyright information option? It was uploaded by http://www.e-nebraskahistory.org/, an "Official Nebraska Government Website". Seasider53 (talk) 18:52, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe no. First off all, its better to ask These questions at WP:MCQ, since that is where the experts are. However, I currently don't see a reason why this should be PD. only applies to works created by federal government employees in their duties as such(I see no evidence of this being the case here), it's a file from 1986 (so far from being public domain due to age) and last but not least the film's right usage terms seem to have non-commercial and no-derivate restrictions. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 21:27, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Rules of Doxxing
Hi guys

Could anyone let me know how wikipedia deals with doxxing? Content on a wikipedia article is abetting in doxxing, which has been escalated to newsworthy stories in my country.

I have made my case for offending content to be removed but some very passionate users are insisting that the content is both relevant for some reason and not a breach of privacy.

Thank you. Declanhx (talk) 19:07, 18 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The rules about doxxing are at WP:DOXXING. However, if your issue is with who owns Killichassie, I think the source for the claims are two published biographies of its owner - this information is in the public domain, it's not private information that we need to keep secret. An exceedingly notable person owning and living in a reasonably notable building seems worth mentioning in the article about the building, no? Girth Summit  (blether)  19:13, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Holy crap. The people you are edit warring with about this are two site Administrators, whom of whom is an oversighter. You will struggle to find anyone who knows more about our rules on doxxing - listen to what they are telling you on the article talk page. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  19:17, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * User has been full blocked for editwarrring. (Changed from a partial block) ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 19:57, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Declan has been blocked before for edit-warring.
 * 2) I think the Streisand effect is also in danger of kicking in, if it hasn't already. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  22:02, 18 January 2022 (UTC)