Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 July 13

= July 13 =

Add to a profile
My dad Bernard Toone has passed away and he does not have anyone listed on is Wilipedia as family. He has a Sister Kim Toone and a Brother Christopher Toone along with he two twin daughters JeNelle Watkins and JeNette Watkins. How can we get this added to his Wikipedia? 2601:5C1:8201:7010:D84F:EE1F:5AF7:D8C6 (talk) 00:44, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link: Bernard Toone -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  00:57, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear about your dad. For his article, we can only add information that is properly sourced with independent coverage. Since you are related to him, you have what we call a conflict  of interest, and we request that you not edit the article yourself. If you can identify a reliable source with the info you'd like to have added, you can put a connected edit request on the article's talk page. See Simple conflict of interest edit request. If you get stuck, please come back here. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  00:53, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Table
Hi, today I published my draft here. I made a table for its charts, but I'd like it to look more like the one here. Can you guys show me how to do this? I've been having difficulty implementing it without a direct copy-paste. — VersaceSpace  🌃 00:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


 * @VersaceSpace I don't think you can do this using the visual editor - it still doesn't support adding custom CSS to tables. To get the custom shading in the first column you need to add  before each cell containing the chart name. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 10:41, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Date formatting in citations
When editing an article, sometimes when writing dates in citations as "2022-07-12" they appear as "12 July 2022" after publishing/inserting, other times it doesn't and just stays as "2022-07-12". Am I doing something wrong? Is it advisable to just write out dates instead? DannyC55 (Talk) 02:49, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * See: and/or  and.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 02:51, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I see. Thank you. DannyC55 (Talk) 17:41, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

edits mysteriously undone
About a month ago I made several additions to the Wikipedia stub about myself (Andrew Carstairs-McCarthy). But I find today (13 July) that these changes have all disappeared; the article has reverted to the 'stub' version. Why? Damerell (talk) 03:37, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Damerell: If you check the page's history, your edits were undone because they were not cited when such information must be verifiable. I would also strongly suggest you refrain from writing about yourself, as it is very difficult to write neutrally on such a subject. Please use the article's talk page to make edit requests. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:15, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Opening AfD
Are there guidelines or policies concerning the opening of an AfD for an article that you've previously opened AfDs for? Is it discouraged? Is there a recommend timeframe between when one should avoid opening a new AfD (i.e. wait a minimum of six months)? A few examples for me personally, might include Level 3 (TV series) which had no consensus (looks like maybe speedy re-nomination was an option but I didn't see the note at the time), MacBreak which had no consensus over a year ago, Trash Taste which had no consensus almost a year ago, or Bald Move which had the consensus to keep but I'm still very confident that the company doesn't pass WP:NCORP. TipsyElephant (talk) 14:23, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Policy only refers to a "reasonable amount of time", "to give editors time to improve the page". I would say six months is a good minimum, but it may depend on the specific article. 331dot (talk) 14:44, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Need help
I had requested to undelete an article and request was accepted. I improved it, added content and gave references. I much improved it. Then some weeks ago I submitted it in AFC submition process. But still it isn't reviewed. I think so because it was deleted three times so it isn't being reviewed. But in real I improved it a lot and totally changed it. So someone please check why it isn't being reviewed. The name of article is Draft:Sahito.FAAHS (talk) 15:47, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Read the big notice at the top of Draft:Sahito. Bazza (talk) 15:52, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I took a quick look at this and declined the submission due to sourcing issues. Most of the sources are not reliable, and also do not support the prose they are cited for. Details were left at the draft. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:57, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I also clicked on all the sources, and the word Sahito appears briefly in only two, with almost no context. Very little that you wrote is substantiated, as pointed out above. You will need better sourcing to demonstrate that this tribe is noteworthy. Please read WP:GNG. There are also distracting formatting issues, but those can wait until the content sourcing is improved. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  18:19, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Status of a requested page for Firoz Lalji
Dear Wikipedia help desk,

I am working with a company called WikiSpecialists LLC to create a Wikipedia page for Firoz Lalji. This has been in progress since 2021, and I am not getting any information back from them other than it has been submitted to Wikipedia for review and approval. Is there a way to get an update on this page submission? Tquintus (talk) 16:38, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


 * It's been deleted multiple times as promotional spam created by a banned group. Draft:Firoz Lalji ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wiki Specialists are a scam site, and so are banned from English Wikipedia. Get your money back from them. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:41, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:30, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I seek to ask a language question about the Satyress page on the Wiki
Is it possible to make a copy of the entire page into Japanese? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyress Timeus778 (talk) 17:00, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Yes, you can do that. Please follow the instructions at Translate us. Cullen328 (talk) 17:05, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cullen328 ..I can't do that though, as I am not fluent in Japanese.(yet). But I was requesting if someone else can. Timeus778 (talk) 17:58, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Try asking at Wikipedia talk:Translation ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 18:11, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No, don't ask at Wikipedia talk:Translation: it's not a forum about translations; instead, it's a place to discuss the content of Translation, a page that's about translations into English. -- Hoary (talk) 02:56, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * , a translation from en:Wikipedia to ja:Wikipedia must satisfy Translate us (as pointed out above) and also Wikipedia:翻訳のガイドライン. Why do you hope for a translation? -- Hoary (talk) 02:56, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If you want
 * - a rough translation then Babelfish.
 * - a page created then read this Japanese Wikipedia - Wikipedia and contact wikipeia Japan Wakelamp d&#91;@-@&#93;b (talk) 12:02, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Wakelamp: We really don't want machine translations for articles. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Tenryuu: That's because many articles weren't written with translation in mind. If machine translations were as good as these German and French versions I found done from from this article, I—for one—wouldn't complain. It depends to some extent on the clarity of the original article. But translation from Japanese is a little more complex. MinorProphet (talk) 16:14, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Question about 3RR policy
I proposed a policy change on Chinese Wikipedia recently: the original proposal on 3RR policy is "no limit on reverting unsourced and insufficiently sourced content" I proposed it to be both poorly sourced and violates BLP policy. A user disagree because they thought Verifiability is also a policy. Somebody else brings the original text in English Wikipedia, which is also "Removing contentious material that is libelous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced according to Wikipedia's biographies of living persons (BLP) policy". Could someone explain to me which one is more reasonable to be a policy. QiuLiming1 (talk) 20:32, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


 * sorry for the bad grammar. QiuLiming1 (talk) 20:33, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:V is a policy, not sure I understand what the conflict is. PRAXIDICAE🌈 20:36, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . You communicate just fine in English. Keep in mind that each language version of Wikipedia is an autonomous volunteer project that sets its own policies and guidelines through consensus. If Chinese editors want to get ideas from policy language here on English languags, that is fine. But in the end, the decision needs to be made by Chinese language Wikipedia editors. Cullen328 (talk) 20:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I just want to get some ideas. QiuLiming1 (talk) 20:43, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * is reverting materiel that is just "not sufficiently sourced" an exception to 3RR policy? QiuLiming1 (talk) 20:42, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not unless it is clearly vandalism, or is contentious material about a WP:BLP. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:43, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * others disagree because they think WP:V says user is responsible for cite so it should be an exception. QiuLiming1 (talk) 20:47, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Some user even said I am Gaming the system by ignoring some policy. QiuLiming1 (talk) 20:49, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:3RRNO outlines exactly what is exempt from 3RR. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:51, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * So is there some reason to not revert poorly sourced material (non-BLP) more than 3 times? QiuLiming1 (talk) 20:53, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * To avoid edit warring. If you find yourself in that situation there are plenty of avenues of dispute resolution available. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:56, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, the reason is that it is considered edit warring. WP:EW.  In such cases, you should discuss on the talk page and if needed follow the guidance at WP:DR RudolfRed (talk) 20:57, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * OK. Thanks. QiuLiming1 (talk) 21:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Just wants to clarify, did I game the system by propose this and ignore "user is responsible for citing". QiuLiming1 (talk) 21:04, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

add info to a page
to add to this page there was a mass murder in La Loche Saskatchewan a few yrs ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Canada https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/documents-account-la-loche-what-happened-1.5533215 192.64.61.155 (talk) 22:07, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


 * If you have a suggestion for "List of massacres in Canada", please make the suggestion at the foot of "Talk:List of massacres in Canada". -- Hoary (talk) 02:43, 14 July 2022 (UTC)


 * It's not really a list of massacres. It's a list of Wikipedia articles about massacres. If the La Roche massacre has a Wikipedia article it should be added. If the massacre has no article and the event meets our notability requirements, then you may create one: see WP:YFA, and then add it to this list. -Arch dude (talk) 20:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There is a La Loche shootings article, but it was removed from the List here - R. S. Shaw (talk) 22:40, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

redirect tool not working having trouble creating redirects
The tool located here Wikipedia:How to make a redirect - Wikipedia is not properly responding to make a redirect, instead it just says that page does not exist and if you want to create a new page. I gave in and said yes make new page then followed the directions here Wikipedia:Redirect - Wikipedia which says to only put the following on the page #REDIRECT target page name here but fill in the bracket area with the name you want redirected, however then it just creates a regular page under review

None of this seems to be working, any help would be much appreciated. Smootheater (talk) 22:37, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


 * It's because you are not autoconfirmed. PRAXIDICAE🌈 22:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:34, 14 July 2022 (UTC)