Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 July 19

= July 19 =

How long it typically takes for a draft to be reviewed
I submitted a draft Draft:Chu Wanghua and it hasn't been reviewed in two weeks despite I added three reliable English sources, is it ok for me to ask at the help desk of AFC? Also, how long it takes for a draft to be reviewed. QiuLiming1 (talk) 01:07, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Please see the first line of the review notice at the draft; it can currently take up to four months. Drafts are not reviewed in any particular order. Eagleash (talk) 01:21, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Then can someone give me some suggestion to increase the chance of this draft being accepted? QiuLiming1 (talk) 01:26, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The problem is a reviewer at AFC told me this requires someone who is able to read Chinese, but the Wiki project China is not seem to very active. QiuLiming1 (talk) 01:28, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I will look at it right now and give you my opinions. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:12, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * First, I am not a regular reviewer of new articles, simply somebody who has had a lot of experience in creating them. I looked at your draft: (1) It is not long enough; you have much more information available to you than you have used. You could certainly use almost all the article by Pu Jiaru titled "Chu Wanghua's Piano Music Creation and Value Research." Therein you'll find a good story of Chu's life, which you should use and carefully cite to your source. (2) That other source, "1977 Letter to Deng Xiaoping," seems to be just propaganda: Don't use it. (3) You could use https://www.australianmusiccentre.com.au/artist/chu-wang-hua, but since the biography was provided by Mr. Chu you would have to say so in your article. (4) This looks like a good reliable source: https://kuscholarworks.ku.edu/handle/1808/19442. It has a little bit about his life but more about his music. (5) In summation, if I were you I would take the article back and add more about his life based on good, reliable sources. (6) For help, go to any other composer on Wikipedia and see how the article is written. (7) Right now your article is not ready to be used. Best wishes in writing for Wikipedia! Good luck! BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:47, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @BeenAroundAWhile Thank you so much for your comment, but in Chinese wikipedia there is a thing called stub, which is kind of the length of this draft, does it apply for enwiki too? QiuLiming1 (talk) 04:32, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I want to translate this from zhwiki, but the article at there have almost no source. QiuLiming1 (talk) 04:38, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:Stub Yes, of course, but stubs also need good sources, and you have to show any editor that your man is really NOTABLE and that RELIABLE SOURCES have said so. Whoever approves your work to go into main space (it won't be me) will expect them. Why not use the Chinese article and look for sources yourself? In short, I think you need to do more RESEARCH on your proposed article. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:49, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I see it has been moved to User:QiuLiming1/Chu_Wanghua. Is that any better than being in draftspace? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:38, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Judging from the edit summary sounds like the author feels they need more time to work on it. Likely just a misunderstanding, since it actually makes no difference whether the draft lives in userspace or draftspace as long as it isn't neglected for more than 6 months. -- 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 06:58, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, it shouldn't be subject to G13 if there is content in userspace. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Where is the list of all the "Series" grouping of articles?
On some articles on there is a side box saying that "this article is a part of a 'Series' on _______, such as 'Sociology' or something. I really like this feature of some articles and I was hoping someone could point me to a list of all the 'Series' that have been curated as a way to more systematically navigate through Wikipedia's articles. Elias Stassinopoulos (talk) 04:42, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Read this: Article series. Good luck! BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:51, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In case you don't notice it among the "See also" links there, a "list of all the 'Series' that have been curated" with those side boxes is available at List of article series. Deor (talk) 13:55, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

2 minor questions on William Greene (economist)
After my edit, two questions remained open: --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 06:12, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) A Comma question, see in-line-commentary in wikisource. (I am only en-2, de-N, not sure about en grammar.)
 * 2) In the disambiguation page William Greene, he is categorized "Business figures". In fact he is a scientist.


 * Himbeerbläuling, I have added a comma as you suggested. It is arguable that an economist is a business figure, otherwise you could move him to the "Other" section. TSventon (talk) 06:49, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank You. I think it is ✅. --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 17:05, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

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Requests not yet completed
Time ago, I have added this and this requests, but not yet completed. There are some other requests added after mine and completed. I have added the requests in the wrong page? 2001:B07:6442:8903:B444:DAA4:6DB6:16 (talk) 08:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi IP 2001:B07:6442:8903:B444:DAA4:6DB6:16. The users who help out at WP:GL are no different from any other Wikipedia user in that they are all WP:VOLUNTEERs, and tend to work on things that interest them. Try asking at c:COM:GL. Maybe you'll have better luck. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * 2001:B07:6442:8903:B444:DAA4:6DB6:16,       the meaning of your request, "Is there someone that can kindly capitalize Wikipedija word and make text to path?" may not be clear to the graphics lab volunteers, as it's not entirely clear in English, which is a second language for many of those volunteers. Firstly, "WikipedijA" is already capitalized; you want it to appear in all-caps. Second, the expression "make text to path" is either a technical term that I've never encountered, or it may be an un-idiomatic English translation of an idiom from your first language. This might explain the delay in responding to your request.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:49, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Add Magazine to Wikipedia
How can we add of Soigne' + Swank Magazine to the Wikipedia Platform ? 2601:58C:4305:A8B0:AC13:997:3D6B:3BA8 (talk) 11:11, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There is already an article here, namely Swank (magazine) but that is about a pornographic magazine, so I assume you mean a new article describing soigneswankmagazine.com. To warrant an article here, the magazine would need to meet our general notability guidelines for periodicals. Please read that guidance before thinking about drafting anything or you may be wasting your time. A brief Google search didn't look promising in terms of WP:INDEPENDENT sources but I'm no expert in the topic. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:17, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Also notice that if you are in any way connected with Soigne' + Swank, then you have at least a conflict of interest, and you may be a paid editor. Please read those links carefully, and make whatever declarations are appropriate. ColinFine (talk) 15:13, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library access problem
I posted this query on the Wikipedia library talk page here, but have got no response, so I'm trying here as well. Some time ago, I applied for access to the Rock's Back Pages collection, which was granted. According to my library homepage, I still have access to the collection. But when I actually go into the Rock's Back Pages website, I cannot view any articles - they all require additional sign-in. Any help greatly appreciated. --Viennese Waltz 11:13, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Apologies if I'm repeating things you have already tried, but are you sure that you can see Rock's as one of the collections that are your personal set when logged in here on the library? This will be the "My Collections" tab, not the "Available Collections" tab. Then you must use the "Access Collection" button on that page: it won't work if you merely open Rock via another browser session. If all this fails, your best set will be to ping one of the WMF's editors to the library talk page so they can help you there. There is also a "Contact us" link at the very bottom right of the Library page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:06, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Mike. Yes, it's in My Collections, and I have a button that says "access collection". When I click that, a new tab opens with the URL www-rocksbackpages-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org. This brings me to the collection, but clicking on individual articles requires additional sign-in. I'll contact them as you suggest. It's a pity they don't seem to watch the library talk page without being pinged. --Viennese Waltz 12:13, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * , Your post inspired me to comment on the larger question of how we may improve the situation of getting users timely responses to their questions about Wikipedia Library, in a way which might help not only them, but other TWL users as well. Please see this discussion at meta. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 00:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Help for article review
I had created a draft named Draft:Government Boys Primary School, Mothparja and submitted it to review through AFC process. But I don't know why it haven't been reviewed. So someone please check it. Thanks.FAAHS (talk) 12:54, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * @FAAHS: Hi there! At the top of your draft, there is a big yellow box that states "This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,623 pending submissions waiting for review."  You may continue working on your draft while you are waiting.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:17, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * @GoingBatty Thank you.FAAHS (talk) 13:20, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

1. How to add more evidence to archived sockpuppet investigations 2. How much behavioural evidence is enough?
I started this sockpuppet investigation months ago. I put a plenty of effort of showing the user behind the account is indeed one who has been indefinitely banned. The use of "Check user" tool was denied, I never understood why, but thought the behavioural evidence should have been enough. I have shown the users share a strong interest in the same nische topics, share the same self-declared political view, share the same self-declared, and rather unusual ancestry, use of similar wording and use of edit summaries to taunt people and know the same languages. My lastest additional evidence was denied. So my question is how can I continue with this case, and what kind behavioral evidence should be enough to proof the sockpuppetry case? Sietecolores (talk) 15:24, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Scanned the long report, and it was investigated and closed as "a many-year pattern of reports that don't pan out". I'd advise you to trust the process and the people administering it. If it didn't work out the way you wanted, either let it go, or come up with some incontrovertible evidence that is really new and persuasive, but absent that I'd move on. Mathglot (talk) 17:41, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Mathglot, what you say sounds like an argument by authority. I want to know how much more, despite what I already consider overwhelming, evidence is actually needed to establish user x as a sockpuppet. Alternatively, not what amount but what kind of behavioural evidence would be needed. I have wasted valuable time compilating information and it is disappointing to see it dismissed as "a many-year pattern of reports that don't pan out". The banned user is well known for his persistent behaviour and knowing how to game the system. Sietecolores (talk) 20:04, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry my response wasn't helpful. Wikipedia operates by consensus, and editors there seemed to be in general agreement about the outcome. I don't know how to help you further; perhaps someone else will respond more to your satisfaction. Mathglot (talk) 20:11, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Mathglot, your ansswer is not particularly useful, because it does answer the specific questions that were asked. Sietecolores (talk) 09:04, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Sietecolores "because it does answer". Did you mean "does  not"? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 10:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the correction, 71.228.112.175 Sietecolores (talk) 17:42, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Creating a biography on Wikipedia
I would like to write a biography on Wikipedia for someone in the creative arts. How do I go about doing so please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by J86G (talk • contribs) 17:43, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, J86G, and welcome to Wikipedia. My advice to new editors who are asking about creating a new article is always to spend a few months making improvements to existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works before even trying it.
 * Then the absolute first step is to find the reliable independent sources that are a non-negotiable requirement in order to establish that the subject is notable, because if you can't find them, there is no point in spending any more time on this.
 * I suggest also asking yourself why you want to create an article on this person. If even part of your mind is saying "to tell the world about this person", then you have a conflict of interest (this is usually interpreted as "if you are connected with the subject", but I think it applies more widely). If your purpose is to improve Wikipedia, that's great; but creating an article is not the only way of doing that, and for an inexperienced user, it is a difficult and often frustrating way to try and do so.
 * If you decided that there are enough sources, please read your first article. Then you can use the articles for creation process to create a draft. ColinFine (talk) 17:53, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @J86G First you make sure you have the WP:RS demanded at WP:GNG. If you can find those sources, move on to WP:YFA. Also read WP:BLP, and, if it applies to you, WP:COI. Note that creating a WP-article that "sticks" is difficult without any previous WP-experience, and it's recommend that you get some before you try. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:31, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both for your advice which is much appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by J86G (talk • contribs) 18:41, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

How can I make a Wikipedia page for someone?
It is a prominent nightclub owner in New York City. 2603:7000:5000:5D02:25C9:C7A3:3AAC:7A1D (talk) 17:50, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The best advice can be found here Articles for creation and don't forget to log in each time you edit here. Theroadislong (talk) 17:53, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * See my answer to the previous question . ColinFine (talk) 17:54, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Also asked at the Teahouse, where they specify this is apparently a client of theirs. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:55, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Resolove problem
I am Dr Sunil Kalyan from jaipur when I was in Bangalore and in Delhi it was not blocked I just cam from abroad it's blocked kindly resolve it, my credentials are there, I am started practicing in Jaipur. thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4052:2E91:61F6:0:0:51C9:4C14 (talk) 18:05, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid that you problems is not clear. What is blocked? How do you know? What were you trying to do, and what messages or other result did you see? Please specify any messages exactly. ColinFine (talk) 19:50, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Editing a page on Wikipedia
Hello, there are errors on the page for Francisco Vazquez Gomez. As I am the great great grandson of Francisco Vazquez Gomez, I am capable of creating a factual page for his life story. Am I allowed to do so? Intelatin (talk) 19:03, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Not unless the content which you are planning to include is published in reliable sources. PRAXIDICAE🌈 19:11, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Regarding preferred spelling of authors name.
Hello,

The South Korean poet Kim Hyesoon uses the double "oo" as her preferred spelling internationally. All of her books are printed using this name´. However, on her Wikipedia page (Kim Hyesoon), an editor refuses to acknowledge this and has changed the spelling of her name to Kim Hyesun. This spelling is not incorrect, but it is not the translated name variation that the poet uses internationally. All edits made to rectify this are undone and flagged by the editor.

If an author is known internationally by a single, specific spelling, her Wikipedia pages should reflect this. Right now, the spelling on the page causes confusion with regards to her work that has been published in many different languages. Her page has also always used the spelling Kim Hyesoon until very recently, and there are no known exemplet of her name being spelled in any other way.

How do we solve this problem? 10TAL (talk) 19:26, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * The relevant policy is WP:COMMONNAME. If most sources spell her name as "Hyesoon", than that is the spelling that should primarily be used in the article. ColinFine (talk) 19:49, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have pinged the editors in question to the section you started on the article's talk page. The problem gets solved via discussion and consensus building. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 20:10, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

New article
I wanted to create a Wikipedia page for Andrew Freese. Now it says I created a draft for Andrew Freese WIKI. Is that the same thing, or did I create something that is not a Wikipedia page? Here is the link relevant to my question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Andrew_Freese_WIKI Dougie80 (talk) 20:53, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Dougie80 - firstly, please do not ask the same question in multiple places - as you did at the Teahouse. To answer your question, as a new user, you cannot create an article, but you have created a draft - Draft:Andrew Freese As it states, this was rejected because "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources." You have just one reference - to an article he co-wrote - whereas Wikipedia requires extensive coverage in reliable sources totally independent from the subject. We are not very interested in what the subject of an article has written, we want to know what other, un-associated people, have written about the subject.  Creating an article is one of the hardest things to do, if you wish to pursue this please read and follow WP:Your first article - Arjayay (talk) 21:09, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Based on the number of citations to his work per this is likely a notable researcher. He has a credible claim to notability in the fact he's described (and supported by his Philly Inq obit) as "performed the first successful gene-therapy trial for neurological disease in a human being". The article quite likely belongs in main space. We do need more instances of coverage in reliable sources, . Can you add a few more before resubmitting? I've added tags for the information for which we need citations as well as removing some stuff that felt a bit over the top and some family history; in fact the article feels very much like it's written from personal knowledge and maybe his CV. If you are a family member, please read WP:COI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valereee (talk • contribs) 12:10, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia for English language learners
Does Wikipedia have a function that offers more simple English language versions of articles? I tutor an adult student and we are discussing the Supreme Court....when I look at the main article on SC it is too long and difficult for her to read and understand. Any easier to read options available? Thanks.

Dan Detzner Dan Detzner (talk) 21:04, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * @Dan Detzner I think you might be looking for the Simple English Wikipedia. >>> Ingenuity . talk ; 21:05, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Specifically simple:Supreme Court of the United States. For any article in English, there will be a list of the equivalent article in other languges in the left sidebar.  Simple English is often there, but you may have to click on "more" and then find it in the full list. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 21:47, 19 July 2022 (UTC)