Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 July 25

= July 25 =

Cramers Bakery
I am a descendent of George Cramer of Cramer's Bakery. I have page.pictures and a written history about the bakery if you would like for the page. 2600:8801:8D15:1200:A01C:2D1D:AFCA:F3A (talk) 01:14, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Pictures: If you own the copyrights to the pictures, we would like to have them, and thanks. The original photographer owns the copyrights. If the photographer is deceased and you are the photographer's heir, then you own the copyrights. If a professional photographer took the photos, then you do not, but if they are from before 1926, the copyright has lapsed. To provide those pictures for Wikipedia, scan them to create a digital image, then upload that image using the upload wizard: File Upload Wizard. I'm sorry this is complicated, but we obey the law, and copyright law is complicated. -Arch dude (talk) 01:54, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Written history: sorry, but if it has not been published in what we call a "reliable source" (WP:RS) we cannot use it directly. You can make recommendations for changes to the article by reading that history, finding references in reliable sources to back up the changes, and then adding your reccommencations to the article's talk page. Wikipedia works this way because we do not have the resources to verify sources ourselves. I know it's frustrating in a case like this, but without this core policy, we have no way to keep random unverified misinformation out, se owe miss out of some good stuff. -Arch dude (talk) 01:54, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Proposed Deletion
My colleague received a notification about proposed deletion of mu biographical page and apparently she has been blocked from responding to the notice for unknown reasons, perhaps because she attempted to correct some information some time ago. As a musician/songwriter/producer I thought it would be in the public interest for my entry to remain. I'm not sure why a notice was sent which cannot be answered. Can you please provide some assistance, kind regards Malcolm Forest Wakeford MalForest (talk) 01:17, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * The page Malcolm Forest Wakeford was created as WP:REDIRECT to Little River Band four years ago, and I'm not seeing any blocked users in the pages history for the past year, soit is really not clear exactly what it is you are referring to. What is the name of the page in question, and what was the username or IP your colleague was using? Beeblebrox (talk) 01:45, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Relevant deletion discussion: Articles for deletion/Malcolm Wakeford. 174.21.19.94 (talk) 02:07, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Dealing with unreliable source (About The Artists)
Based on their help page, I think About The Artists is an example of user-generated content. It appears to be cited in a bunch of places anyway. What should I do about it?

To be specific, let's focus on Charlie Day (though I do mostly care about the general principles here). A Google search turns up, which I think is a reliable source for the second three plays. I can't find anything for the first three; should I remove them? They don't seem "contentious" (the word WP:BLP uses). Should I just remove the source and slap a on them? Is it better to have a poor source than no source?

Thanks, WallAdhesion (talk) 01:21, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * This isn't really a general question about how to use or edit Wikipedia, it is more suited for WP:RSN. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:35, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Ah. I considered WP:RSN, but I figured since I was asking about what I should do, rather than about the source itself, it was a question about how to edit. I'll repost there. Thanks, WallAdhesion (talk) 02:01, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Separation of Church and State
Page “Separation of Church and State”     News flash Quebec is not a country it is a province of the country Canada. You need to remove Quebec when talking about countries or put it under Canada the province of Quebec. Readers are going to think it is a Counrty when IT IS NOT A COUNTRY 2607:FEA8:7B41:D400:913E:E224:BCA1:C1A9 (talk) 05:50, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The heading for Quebec at that article is a subheading under the heading for Canada. There should not be any confusion about whether Quebec is a country.  General Ization  Talk  05:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There is also a difference between nation and country- the United Kingdom is made up of four constitutent countries. I believe Quebec is also considered a country within Canada.  Quebec calls its provincial legislature the National Assembly.  331dot (talk) 08:18, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

How to credit the information
Have come across a new language I need to let the Wikipedia to know and the rest of the world,how will I go about it? How to make it suit not to violate the laws? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eoamazon (talk • contribs) 07:59, 25 July 2022 (UTC) I have the told of the pioneers of the language and they are even read to share their pictures and audio visual accreditation for the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eoamazon (talk • contribs) 08:02, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You don't. Wikipedia is not a place to tell the world about something that you just found or was just created.  Wikipedia is a place to summarize what independent reliable sources like news reports, peer reviewed journals, or other reliable publications with a history of fact checking and editorial control say about a topic. 331dot (talk) 08:16, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We have policies, not laws, as Wikipedia is not a government. 331dot (talk) 08:16, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Am I allowed to do this
Hi there! I am writing to you today because I would like to ask if I am allowed to edit Help:Archiving (plain and simple). Basically, I want to add the setup auto archiving template to the page above the cluebot template so that editors who are reading the easier help page, get to choose between ClueBot III and Lowercase sigmabot III. I was having real issues with this for some reason. I initially used cluebot although it wasn’t working. Another editor let me use their template for a while and then I found the template to have the lowercase sigmabot default, so it’s sorted now. I wanted to add the template to the page although I’m not sure if I have to go through some process (letting other editors know for example) or if I am even allowed to at all. I do have the ability to, but I just though I would check anyway. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blanchey (talk • contribs)


 * Please put your proposal on the talk page of that topic. That way, the editors most involved with that topic will be able to comment. Please remember to sign your posts.--Shantavira|feed me 09:21, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * sorry about that, I thought it did automatically. I have now preceded it with a template. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Thank you for your suggestion, I will do it now. Many thanks, Bla nc hey  💬 • 📝 09:27, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Why was my sandbox deleted?
I loved to use my sandbox to give dumb stories for me and my friends dumb characters, the stories make no sense and their in autobiography form. User GeneralNotability deleted my sandbox and classified it as a hoax. Aren't sandboxes supposed to be a place where you can do whatever you want? I mean it's not an article, it's a sandbox. I spent a lot of time on it trying to create the dumbest stories for our characters and now every bit of progress is gone. Not exactly sure why a sandbox was deleted for being a hoax. Sodapoppers (talk) 15:00, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Sandboxes are not free webspace for you to use as you wish. They are for drafting articles or other work pertinent to this encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 15:15, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright, I understand. But there is no way to get my work back? Sodapoppers (talk) 15:16, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It can be emailed to you if you add an email address to your account preferences. This does not reveal your email address unless you reply to an email. 331dot (talk) 15:24, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Russian Wikipedia about Minsk agreements
The page in Russian language about Minsk agreements uses the inappropriate wording while referring to Ukraine. The article strictly uses “on Ukraine”, which is used only while talking about regions and parts of another country. This wording is considered as a complete ignorance of the independence status of a country.

The wording HAS TO BE “in Ukraine”. However, while trying to edit the article, Wikipedia Russia comes back with a page saying that they came up with the ‘consensus’ to use “on Ukraine”. This is absolutely inappropriate.

How this editing issue can be solved?

P.S. it is correct in Russian language to use an article “in” while referring to another country, which is not an island. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.139.191.148 (talk) 17:45, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP editor. The Teahouse is for answering questions about the English Wikipedia only. The Russian Wikipedia is an autonomous project, and you will have to raise this issue there. Cullen328 (talk) 17:49, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Each Wikipedia language decides their own rules. You failed to link the page and your IP address has no edits at the Russian Wikipeia so I haven't even been able to look at the situation. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:56, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

BLACK BIRD mini series
The plot description in your Wikipedia profile is not correct and not accurate. James "Jimmy" Keene did have 4 major scholarships to play football and wrestle, but all were out of state and James wanted to stay close to his thriving marijuana business in Chicago. James turned those scholarships down and decided to stay living in Chicago and decided to go to a nationally ranked football and wrestling team at junior college. The reason James chose not to take the scholarships is because they were out of state, and he would be to far away from his business financial source. So, the part about James not being considered by colleges for his football is not true. This is clearly stated in James books and in the series about James's life "BLACK BIRD" even in the Black Bird series episode one, they let it be known James had major football scholarships. So that whole part in your plot summary has to be taken out because its plain and simply not true. Also James was never arrested in real life for guns that was fictionalized for the series, but since it never actually happened it really does not need to be in the plot. The whole charge James was ever arrested for was a hearsay conspiracy and after James successfully completed the serial killer case the hearsay conspiracy charge was erased and James's record was scrubbed clean and James has no conviction on his record at all, not even a traffic ticket. This is made very clear in James's books and will be made very clear in the 6th episode of the "BLACK BIRD" series, in that episode James goes back in front of the judge after having successfully completed the serial killer case and the judge drops everything and lets it be known James's record is cleared completely. So this part on your plot should be changed or just taken out because James was cleared of everything. 2601:243:601:DEE0:109D:9A6A:777C:5B98 (talk) 20:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I've not seen the series, but it seems to me that you are confusing the plot synopsis of a television adaptation based on a real life story, with the real life story about the protagonist. I suppose there could be a section describing the differences in the plot versus real life, such as "Fictional elements", providing you can source them. But you're better off discussing this on the talk page. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  21:45, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

How to make an image smaller in an infobox
Currently editing Polifònica de Puig-reig, and need to change the image size in the infobox, how do i do this--GameOfAwesome (talk) 21:15, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Fixed, see H:INFOP for how to adjust the size of an infobox image.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 21:22, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Three of us dealt with the image size, almost simultaneously. The article still needs better references. Maproom (talk) 21:27, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, yes the article does need better sourcing, got all of the sources from the catalan wikipedia, and am looking for more GameOfAwesome (talk) 21:30, 25 July 2022 (UTC)