Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 July 7

= July 7 =

Requesting that a Page be Improved
Having stumbled across it and finding it interesting and important, the article 'Universal preschool' made me sad - for lack of a better term. I'm brand new to the editing side of Wikipedia, but it seems to me that the page's quality is unexpectedly poor, considering its relatively considerable (I think?) number of visitors (452 in 30 days). This led me to search for an option to request improvements on a page. Is there an established way to do this? 'Edit Requests' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests) do not seem to fulfill this role, as they are limited to more specific purposes. Ubadubba (talk) 00:30, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The normal way to do this is to put cleanup templates onto the page, which mark specific problems with them. The problem is that there aren't enough people around to fix all the pages that need fixing – the article Universal preschool already had cleanup and MoS tags on it, and nobody had acted on them, probably because there are so many other articles which also need the help (there are pages tagged for cleanup at the moment, for example). I added another cleanup tag, underlinked, marking a more specific problem with the page – specific requests to improve a page are often handled faster than the more general ones. Another thing you could do is to improve the page yourself! You don't have to fix all the problems with it at once; many pages here get better as a result of a series of small edits by lots of different people, and as long as all the edits are improvements, the article will end up in a good shape eventually.  --ais523 00:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The article Universal preschool claims to be about "an international movement", but provides no evidence that such a movement exists. It offers evidence that pre-schools are a good thing, but it isn't actually about anything, it's just a piece of (imho justified) propaganda. In my view, the whole article should be deleted. Maproom (talk) 07:49, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I've contributed a small improvement by removing the entirely invalid "See also" list. However I think makes a good point, there should probably be an AFD discussion about this. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

How to create a page of the same name as an existing one but for a different purpose?
Hello! I am an artist and I go by George Worthylake. However this is already a page, for an old lighthouse keeper. I'd like to have my own wikipedia page, and I have seen other duplicate pages for different people/professions. How can I do this? Thanks. Lpt01720 (talk) 02:13, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Writing about yourself is very strongly discouraged. See WP:AUTO.  If you decide to go ahead, read WP:YFA and use the wizard there to create an article draft first.  If the draft is approved, the naming can be sorted out then.  RudolfRed (talk) 02:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Please note, George, that it is not possible for you (or anybody else) to "have my own wikipedia page". Nobody in the universe "has their own wikipedia page" (apart from a User page, if they have one, which is where they can give information about themselves as Wikipedia editors to the Wikipedia community). If there is an article about you, whoever writes it, it will not belong to you, it will not be controlled by you, it may end up containing material you don't want, and it should be based almost entirely on what people unconnected with you have chosen to publish about you, not on what you or your associates say or want to say. Please see an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 09:16, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Please familiarize yourself with the Notability guideline for creative professionals. Do you meet that guideline? I just did a Google search for "george worthylake artist" and could not find anything useful. Cullen328 (talk) 16:09, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Another question about a moving
For the World Athletics is Diego Aldo Pettorossi, for the FIDAL is Diego Aldo Pettorossi. I created the article as Diego Aldo Pettorossi but the article has been moved to Diego Pettorossi. --Kasper2006 (talk) 06:15, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In the page history it shows it was moved by . You can ask them about it on their talk page.  It might be a case of WP:COMMONNAME RudolfRed (talk) 06:33, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @RudolfRed your CTRL+V didn't work { Kasper2006 (talk) 08:22, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

How to club RM discussions
I am a regular RM discussions non-admin closer and today I found someone who made 2 related RMs as 2 separate requests even though it would benefit from being made as a grouped request. An example is this and this. These must've been a single grouped request. How can I group this discussion and request systematically? >>> Extorc . talk  08:49, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * After that, I might want to relist the discussion to see new response in context of those 2 moves together. >>> Extorc . talk  08:50, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I would think that WT:RM would be a better place to ask this. ColinFine (talk) 09:17, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will take a shot there as well. >>> Extorc . talk  09:19, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Bullet points not appearing
At WikiProject Deletion sorting/United Kingdom, all the !votes in the transcluded discussions are lacking their bullet points. I think this is to do with the plainlist template, or possibly the PetScan templates, that appear in the header, but I can't work out precisely what's breaking it. Would anyone be able to have a look? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 11:57, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * @Arms & Hearts You're right, it's an interaction between the plainlist and the PetScan templates. The issue is (I think) that due to the way the templates are set up the div tags are misnested. What you're supposed to have is a plainlist inside a box, so the code for the box completley surrounds the code for the plainlist, something like "box start, plain list start, plain list end, box end". Instead what you have here is "Plain list start, Box start, Plain list end, Box end" It's probably easiest just to delete the plain list template. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 13:03, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that seems to have worked. Two of the three items in the PetScan box now have bullet points where they didn't before, but that doesn't seem like something that should cause any problems for anyone. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 14:30, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Where is Abdu Kiar?
There was an article titled Abdu Kiar an I cannot see the log page, whether merged or deleted. I want to know about the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.188.245.7 (talk) 15:37, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * The discussion was at Articles for deletion/Abdu Kiar (2nd nomination), which ended with a consensus to delete it. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Merge split
If it's decided that a page should be merged to two separate locations how do you conclude the merge? Do you redirect to one of the two locations or request speedy deletion of the page? I was going to finish the merge for All Things Comedy. TipsyElephant (talk) 17:05, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * My understanding is that the page from which content is merged should not be deleted for copyright reasons, since its page history provides attribution to its authors as required by CC BY-SA. Rummskartoffel 21:06, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Right, and when content is copied to another article, the edit summary should link the source so the authors can be found. See Merging. You will just have to pick one of the two founders as a redirect target. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:45, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Adding facts
I have published Wikipedia information before. I am now trying to add information to the page on Arlene Dahl. I keep getting the same message, "Cite error: A (see the help page). "I really wish I had any idea what that means, but I don't. I just want to add information, that being Arlene Dahl appeared in the December 1962 issue of Playboy magazine, becoming the first major Hollywood star to do so voluntarily. That "help" page is incomprehensible, by the way. Spiritof67 (talk) 20:48, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Are you sure you closed the ref tags correctly? Let me check. weeklyd3  (message me &#124; my contributions) 20:49, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Those ref tags on Arlene Dahl weren't needed, so I removed them. The cite error should be gone now.
 * (In this version, you opened three ref tags but only closed two.) weeklyd3  (message me &#124; my contributions) 20:52, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And now the information has been reverted by for being unsourced., where are you getting this information from? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.195.175.120 (talk) 01:50, 8 July 2022 (UTC)