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= June 15 =

CC drums
There is a very common and popular drum making company, CC drums.

I can't find any information on the CC company on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6080:802:7995:2119:C0A2:B2D8:9A61 (talk) 03:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)


 * If a person, organisation or business does not have an article on Wikipedia, it is because independent people think that it is not notable enough. Wikipedia is not a business directory.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 05:43, 15 June 2022 (UTC)


 * So common and popular that this aged music fan has never previously heard of it, it describes itself as "a small . . . company" (though it has American and European arms), and even the questioner has got its name wrong – it is apparently C&C (or C & C) Drums, unless "CC Drums" is different and even more obscure.
 * That said, elegibility for a Wikipedia article is not dependent on how "common and popular" something is perceived to be: it's dependent on how much people independently of it have published material about it in well-edited Reliable sources. If the questioner thinks that there should be a Wikipedia article about the company, the questioner is the best-placed person to gather the Reliable sources required and start a Draft of an article, as described in Help:Your first article. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.201.73.162 (talk) 11:25, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

First time editor, noticed an article was deleted and replaced with a redirect for baffling reasons. Is there anything I can do to help?
Hello,

Circa 2016, I was into rockets, and there was a decent page on the topic of "Asparagus Staging". It was rather short, as it was not currently implemented in any form of rocket, however it was informative.

A few years later, remembering that said article existed, I looked it up again, and was confused to be greeted with a redirect to here. This page did not refer to asparagus staging by name, does not go into detail about how the process works, and gives the impression that it was invented specifically for the Falcon Heavy.

There are 3 solutions I see to this problem, the last one being, in my opinion, the most reasonable:
 * Create a new article on the subject (unlikely, as it is about an unimplemented and impractical technology, therefore the article would likely be a stub)
 * Delete the redirect (also unlikely, as people who want to know about asparagus staging would likely want at least SOMETHING to show up)
 * Redirect to a subsection in the article for rocket staging instead (probably the best option of the bunch, would give more useful information in a more logical setting)

Sincerely, TheSoS9k (talk) 06:08, 15 June 2022 (UTC)


 * It's odd that Asparagus Staging redirects to Modular rocket, when that section is much shorter than the article Falcon Heavy. But neither mentions "asparagus". I think your third option is the most promising; or you might instead consider adding your proposed subsection to Falcon Heavy. I can't tell which would be better, as I know nothing about the topic. Maproom (talk) 07:17, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the response!
 * Asparagus staging, to my mere no-citations knowledge, was invented long before SpaceX was even founded. The Kerbal Space Program wiki article on the subject (which I will not cite in a prospective subsection, but provided some pointers on where to find more information) points to to two possible sources where I could find more information: a book entitled Orbital Mechanics: Theory and Applications, written by a "Tom Logsdon", and further research on Mikhail Tikhonravov, who supposedly invented the staging type. Therefore, I would rather not put it in a SpaceX related article at all
 * One large reason this article was deleted was almost certainly the lack of real-world applications. For technical reasons, asparagus staging, while sound from a physics standpoint, is terrible from an engineering standpoint, and this is significantly more useful in abstract computations than in real life, which is why it is mostly discussed by Kerbal Space Program players. It's also likely that technical sources would use phrases other than "Asparagus Staging" to refer to this staging type, further muddling any queries into reliable sources.
 * Hope this provides more information on my plight! TheSoS9k (talk) 08:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Update: I found some information about asparagus staging and Mikhail Tikhonravov in the history and development section of Multistage rockets. Because of that, I think it's safe to say that the phrase "asparagus staging" should redirect there. TheSoS9k (talk) 08:21, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Archives not moved after page move
The two archives at Talk:Macedonian Orthodox Church – Ohrid Archbishopric/Archive 1 and Talk:Macedonian Orthodox Church – Ohrid Archbishopric/Archive 2 were not moved to the new name when I moved the article to Macedonian Orthodox Church – Archdiocese of Ohrid. Does anyone know what to do to get the bot the move them automatically? Veverve (talk) 07:37, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ The old manual way - X201 (talk) 09:13, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

List of AfC reviewers
I was wondering if Wikipedia has a page containing a list of AfC reviewers based on which languages they know. When reviewing drafts, I've come across articles that contain primarily non-English references and in an attempt to speed up the reviewing process I might ping an admin from a related WikiProject or check one of the subcategories of Category:Wikipedians by language. I'm able to find the admins by using User:Theopolisme/Scripts/adminhighlighter.js, but I don't know of an easy way to specifically locate AfC reviewers in a list of other users. For instance, I can look through each individual user listed at Category:Wikipedians by language and check their user page to see if they are a AfC reviewer. Or I can check each individual user listed at WP:AFC/P to see if they speak the relevant language. Either way it's a lot of work to find someone that might be helpful unless they are also an admin. TipsyElephant (talk) 13:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * See WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/List_of_reviewers_by_subject The list has column for which language the reviewer knows. RudolfRed (talk) 20:45, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism help request from C-entwikieditor
I have noticed some vandalism at []. Namely, There is a celebrity whose Japanese and Korean translations are being maliciously edited to show the wrong birth year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gong_Jun https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EA%B3%B5%EC%A4%80_(%EB%B0%B0%EC%9A%B0) https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%BE%94%E4%BF%8A Even though the Chinese version of the article is added to the BLP policy and contains the correct birth year (1992). The source for this information is added to the Korean and Japanese pages, sadly the year still gets edited by the same malicious editor. This has caused errors in printed publications in the Japanese language. Edited to clarify: Most recently the Japanese and the Korean versions of the article have been affected. In the recent months, also the Thai and the English versions were edited maliciously. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, C-entwikieditor (talk) 13:21, 15 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Are you having this issue on the English Wikipedia? PRAXIDICAE🌈 13:25, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The Korean and the Japanese versions of the article are being affected. C-entwikieditor (talk) 13:31, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You'll need to discuss it there. PRAXIDICAE🌈 13:40, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If you don't speak Korean and Japanese, you could try posting at the Korean and Japanese versions of Embassy. TSventon (talk) 14:45, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

a new subject page
can you point me to page on how to create new subject matter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WayneWhaley1136 (talk • contribs) 15:36, 15 June 2022 (UTC)


 * @WayneWhaley1136 See WP:YFA. First and most important, make sure you have the sources to meet the demands of WP:GNG. If you don't, chose another subject matter. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:02, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, WayneWhaley1136. Welcome to Wikipedia. If you are keen to contribute to Wikipedia, I would like to advise you that if you plunge straight into the very difficult task of creating a new article, you are likely to have a frustrating and miserable time. I always advise new editors to spend at least a few months improving existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works before they try it. On average, I would say that a new editor who follows that advice will be adding thousands of times as much value to Wikipedia as somebody who tries to create an article before they are ready. Note also that if you have joined Wikipedia specifically to get an article on a particular subject into Wikipedia, the chances are that you are engaged in promotion, which is forbidden anywhere on Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 16:45, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello - I wrote a simple decision tree to help new editors find info about getting started with editing. It may help you find other ways to contribute. Please see TRIAGE. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  23:15, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

How do you change main photo on person's page?
Hello,

I want to change the main photo on a person's wiki profile (picture on right side of page with info about the person's life/career). I don't see an edit button like the one above each section. Can someone please assist?

Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by HC Precinct1 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * you change the image in the infobox on an article by editing the source. Since it's in the lead paragraph, you hit the "edit" button for the article as a whole and not for a section. To change the picture, first upload the new picture to Commons. There is one absolutely critical step: make sure that you have the right to upload that picture. You must own the copyright to the picture (e.g., because your are the photographer) or the copyright owner must have explicitly licensed it under an appropriate free copyright license. If it is not properly licensed, we will delete it. Once you are certain of this critical step, go to the upload wizard and upload your picture to commons, then edit the article. -Arch dude (talk) 19:23, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Just to going to add that the OP has been soft-blocked for a username violation; they can still read any responses given here, but they won't be able to posting any additional comments here as long as their account is blocked. So, anyone want to discuss things with the OP probably should do so on their user talk page, but anyone who does should also remember that the OP should now primarily be using their user talk page to get unblocked and not for other things. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does not have "profiles", not a single one. Wikipedia has articles. 331dot (talk) 23:04, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Username blocked - seems to represent Harris County precinct 1 - a political entity and WP:SPA. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  23:12, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Authority control
I am in the process of writing an article draft, and I have added in the authority control template. However, when I am on the visual editing mode, the authority control icon and text are visible at the bottom, even though on other articles that use the same template, it is not. How do I make it so that this icon is not visible? Catsandgurdies (talk) 21:37, 15 June 2022 (UTC)


 * @Catsandgurdies Are you talking about the image of a puzzle piece and the name of the template? That's just an indicator that "there's a template here, but it produced no output" so that you can actually see it and edit it. You don't need to do anything, it won't show up outside editing mode. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 00:19, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Requested articles
In my opinion, if someone wishes to request an article if they don't have an account, they should be able to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.5.122.8 (talk) 21:44, 15 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi - nothing is preventing you from requesting an article as an IP, in fact I see you've already done so. I do wonder why you're trying to create articles by resurrecting the talk pages of articles that have been deleted and placing article content into them. That is not allowed. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:04, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * There is nothing stopping you from requesting articles, but you need to follow the huge, bold instructions at the top of the page: . You need to provide evidence that these companies and people are WP:Notable, by providing examples of coverage in books, newspapers, magazines etc. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 00:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Is Marriages and children always appropriate?
Are there any sort of people with articles for whom this type of information (presuming it is verifiable) is not appropriate? At the level of "Trevonti was married twice, had one son with his first wife before she died, and three daughters with his second wife. He also acknowledged a daughter sired during his marriage to his second wife". For example if the Trevonti in question is a leader in the 3rd crusade, a President of an Italian University, or one of the first three people representing North Dakota in congress, same rules?Naraht (talk) 23:42, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . No, the rules are not the same. We have more stringent standards for biographies of living people. Presumably, the crusade leader and the members of Congress are dead. What matters most is the quality of the sources used to verify the content. Loaded terms like "sired" should be avoided, as should gossip sources. Normally, the names of minor children will not be included unless they are discussed extensively by high quality sources, so a routine birth announcement is not sufficient. Cullen328 (talk) 23:50, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, so the split is living vs. dead. I appreciate that sources will vary, assume as good as possible... I deliberately didn't include the names in the example. I'm curious as to why sired is viewed as a loaded term. Naraht (talk) 23:56, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * , in current serious usage, "sired" is used to refer to the offspring of animals like stallions and bulls. When applied to human beings, the term is usually archaic or ironic or humorous. It is not the type of neutral terminology that should be applied to human beings in Wikipedia's voice. Cullen328 (talk) 03:56, 16 June 2022 (UTC)