Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 June 21

= June 21 =

linking to other wiki sites
could you please tell me which page I would go to, in order to view a list of all prefixes that are used to link to other wiki sites? such as meta site, foundation, etc? thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 02:24, 21 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Think you mean List of Wikipedias. Moxy -Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 02:44, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Sm8900 the whole interwiki prefix list can be found at Special:Interwiki. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 04:43, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Sm8900 there is also a help page at Help:Interwiki linking. TSventon (talk) 08:32, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ok. thanks for these replies!! Sm8900 (talk) 16:56, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Naming conventions
Just a quick question regarding naming conventions of saints' articles as I haven't been able to get any assistance from the related WikiProjects. Should a subject's native name be used or an anglicised version of it. I am aware that the version with established English-language usage should be used, but what about in cases where there is no real established usage? For example, I recently created the page John of Tufara. However, almost all sources I could find are in Italian so use the name Giovanni. I did come across one or two English sources (which used Giovanni) but these appeared to be translations of the Italian sources. Could I please have a suggestion on what name to use? Thank you so much in advance! Vesuvio14 (talk) 11:02, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Vesuvio14 There is some guidance at Article titles, where the last sentence says "If there is no established English-language treatment for a name, translate it if this can be done without loss of accuracy and with greater understanding for the English-speaking reader." For John of Tufara, I found Memory and Community in Medieval Southern Italy The History, Chapter Book, and Necrology of Santa Maria Del Gualdo Mazzocca by Charles Hilken, 1955 via Google books, which mentions "St. John of Tufara" on page 1. TSventon (talk) 11:26, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Further to that, I came across the page Juan de Ortega (hermit). Should I rename this? Vesuvio14 (talk) 11:50, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Vesuvio14 The page history for 2016 says "Mannanan51 moved page John the Hermit to Juan de Ortega (hermit): most commonly known for founding eponymous monastery", so I would leave it. I haven't researched what name English language sources use and several of the article sources don't seem to be available online. I found two wikidata items for the subject, so I merged them. TSventon (talk) 13:30, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Vesuvio14 (talk) 13:38, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Namelist
I'm writing an article on a Pamela Balash-Webber. Is it right or wrong to put her on Webber (surname)? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:33, 21 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I would think it would be fine. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 13:41, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree, I think this is fine. Jessamyn (my talk page) 21:50, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

ABCDE - CD Ripper Page is missing
Hi, Just wanted to make a note that the "ABCDE CD Ripper" page that was previously present, has gone missing and is now not available!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.216.90 (talk) 13:49, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This is also being asked at WP:Teahouse, and it is being addressed there. Please only ask in one location, not multiple.  Thanks. Feline Hymnic (talk) 14:26, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Articles tagged with issues
I stumbled across this page here while attempting cleanup for several tennis articles. I want to start working towards making this page smaller but would at least like to start with pages I have created since I am a prolific editor in that area. Is there any way to get a page of results like this but instead of all articles in the Tennis WikiProject showing up, it just shows a list of articles I created, whether they be in the Tennis WikiProject or not? Adamtt9 (talk) 14:01, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You can see the quality of all created articles at https://xtools.wmflabs.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Adamtt9. The link you've provided is done by a bot updating this info, so it's unlikely to be something you can customise to this point. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:28, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Draft articles and order of article content
I am currently working on a draft article. Throughout my editing of completed articles I've noticed that the article summary/intro paragraph is placed beneath the infobox on edit mode but appears above the infobox when not on editing mode. However, when I place the intro paragraph below the infobox on my draft article, it still appears below the infobox when I am not editing. Is this something that will change when the article is published, or I am doing something wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Catsandgurdies (talk • contribs) 16:21, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Catsandgurdies, which draft are you asking about? Infoboxes are added to the top of the article code and appear in the top right corner when published, see Help:Infobox. TSventon (talk) 19:48, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It will change automatically. The English Wikipedia always places the infobox code before the lead text in the source per MOS:ORDER. You use the mobile version of the site. The bottom of mobile pages have a "Desktop" link to switch to the desktop version. It's a special feature of the mobile version that the display of the infobox is automatically moved down in articles. In desktop it's displayed at the top right with lead text to the left of it. Most editors use the desktop version. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:49, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

My article draft was deleted the moment I created it.
I created an article draft for Yuko Tatsushima, but when I published my draft as a way to save it to work on it later, I could no longer find it. It likely has some thing to do with the IP address I wrote it from being somewhat banned (school computer, not my doing). I am slightly upset as that was plenty of time wasted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vossurb000 (talk • contribs) 18:39, 21 June 2022 (UTC)


 * @Vossurb000: Did you mean Draft:Yuko Tatsushima? That's still online. From your edit count, you have not created any deleted pages. weeklyd3  (message me | my contributions) 18:59, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * To be fair, created Draft:Yuko Tatsushima after posting the question above; so it appears that they have indeed somehow lost their first attempt and started again. Vossurb000, it is not apparent what happened to your first draft: it would appear that for some reason it failed to save. I think that if you were affected by a block on your IP, then you would not have been able to post here. ColinFine (talk) 21:38, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Adding on to 's answer, creating the draft and asking the question here are your two only contributions to the English Wikipedia so far. Yuko Tatsushima did exist at one point, but it was deleted in 2017 for being unable to establish the subject's notability. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:29, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Vossurb000: I figured out that the first draft was just improperly saved so it was never technically created. Thanks for your help. Vossurb000 (talk) 16:36, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Searching by edit summary?
Is there a way to easily search for edits by edit summary? For instance, if there is an editing contest or drive going on that is using a hashtag in the edit summary, is there a quick way to find those edits?

I ask because I'm dealing with some problem edits all tagged #KMUOS, and I'm trying to figure out what other editors are involved in the project. —C.Fred (talk) 19:51, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * https://hashtags.wmcloud.org/?query=KMUOS&project=en.wikipedia.org * Pppery * it has begun... 20:07, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If you weren't searching for a hashtag (and it wasn't specific to a known username, so you couldn't use this either), you'd be out of luck. Edit summaries can be searched blindly with a sql query, and I or someone else could help you with that over at WP:RAQ, but it's slow.  On the order of four or five minutes per month of edits. —Cryptic 20:14, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Inaccurate number of employees listed in info box
Grand Central Bakery's info box has outdated info on number of employees, and info box conflicts with main wiki page. The company has 370 (2022). Info box says 225 employees (2014).

63.227.223.154 (talk) 23:05, 21 June 2022 (UTC)


 * If you think you can fix it, then please do so. Otherwise, you may want to find somebody who has lots of experience with infoboxes and talk to them on their talk page. I also suggest putting an "update information" template on the page. Thanks! 𝙷𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚘𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 01:54, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, and one more thing. You cannot use Wikipedia as a source, so check the article you got the information from and see the citation where the information came from. 𝙷𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚘𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 01:58, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I recommend removing the number of employees; it's hard to keep updated, and... is it important to a reader? Maybe. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 07:41, 22 June 2022 (UTC)


 * This is the sort of non-controversial information that it is perfectly acceptable to source from company websites, per WP:ABOUTSELF. I tried their main site but could not find the current information. If anyone can do so, it is OK to update the Infobox with a new number and date. Lots of Wikipedia articles about companies contain that sort of data. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:04, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Preserving a talk page
Is there a way to provide a link to a talk page which will show that page as it was at a particular time. In other words, I want to ensure old discussion isn't deleted. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 23:09, 21 June 2022 (UTC)


 * @Humphrey Tribble: You can press the 'Permanent link' link at the left, which gives you a link that will link to a specific version. Like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&oldid=1094323337 will link to the version where you added this topic. weeklyd3  (message me | my contributions) 23:26, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Humphrey Tribble: Most talk pages archive old discussions, so if an archive page exists (usually accessible by way of an archive box located somewhere on the talk page), you can use a more permanent link without searching for a diff. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:37, 21 June 2022 (UTC)