Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 June 22

= June 22 =

Inventor
Can l talk about and or seek assistance with my invention ? Robin4620 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robin 4620 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 22 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Perhaps... but maybe Wikipedia is not the right place unless your invention has something to do with Wikipedia or has the potential to help Wikipedia. (Or if you are Thomas Edison. Then we could use more information for your page.) 𝙷𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚘𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 01:57, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Robin 4620: The simplest answer is Wikipedia is not a place for general discussion, so unless your invention (or you) meets Wikipedia's definition of notability, the encyclopedia is not the place you're looking for. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:22, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Tenryuu Also, if you follow the link that Tenryuu provided, and scroll up a bit, you'll see information about Wikipedia, original research, and inventions. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 07:44, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Reverting non-free image
User:TAC PlazaMaster recently overwrote File:SM Investments Corporation logo.svg. However, the new file goes against the overwriting policy, as it is completely different. How can the image be reverted even though the older version has already been removed? Itsquietuptown ✉️📜 01:24, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * As with most logos, these are WP:NONFREE images hosted on English Wikipedia under strict terms that mean they can only be used to illustrate the relevant article, in this case SM Investments. Assuming this is the correct current logo (I haven't checked), Wikipedia can't keep the older one unless it was available under a suitable license, in which case it would be better uploaded to Commons. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:53, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I've undeleted the old revisions. This is easily public domain in the United States - a simple colored circle and text, however stylized, is below the threshold of originality.  I don't know the first thing about Filipino copyright law, though, so it may not be suitable to moving to Commons. —Cryptic 15:54, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Can I message someone about userboxes?
If I want to show appreciation to a user who edits article of their interests (such as movie articles), should I send them a message about userboxes? I think userboxes can be used to tell on who they are, what they like, what their views, etc. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 03:27, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You may post any reasonable and polite message you want to on the user's talk page. We generally do not recommend private messaging except where serious concerns about personal privacy are valid, because our entire effort depends on collaboration and consensus. -Arch dude (talk) 03:51, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 03:54, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * At the top of the editor's talk page, you may see a 'heart' icon which should give you options to express appreciation. Eagleash (talk) 11:37, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Deleting text
I would like to delete text on the page Language of mathematics. Do I need approval or can I just go ahead and do it? Xzae — Preceding unsigned comment added by XZae (talk • contribs) 13:57, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia encourages editors to be WP:BOLD in their editing. If someone objects, then don't WP:Editwar but discuss on the Talk Page of that article (which seems to have many issues currently). Also be sure to add a good WP:EDITSUMMARY explaining why you made the removal. All of this is part of our standard WP:BRD process. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:16, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  23:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Restarting account.
Help restarting my account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.160.120.199 (talk) 15:07, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? Please clarify what you are asking for. RudolfRed (talk) 16:36, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Redirect vs disambiguation vs. Primary/Secondary
hi! I am a fairly new wiki editor so bare with me, I am working on an article on American businessman Jonathan A. Krane, in addition to that article, there is an existing article on screenwriter Jonathan D. Krane.

currently Jonathan Krane redirects to D, I think it is hard to tell who is the primary or secondary Jonathan what should I do? should I create a Jonathan Krane(disambiguation) or would that not be necessary and I should keep it the same?

Seigerman (talk) 20:38, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Create a new article titled Draft: Jonathan A. Krane. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  21:07, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * To expand on what Orange Mike says, Seigerman: any fairly new editor who wants to create a new article is very strongly advised to use the Articles for creation process to create a Draft. This has the incidental advantage that you don't need to worry about the naming or any potentially clashing existing articles: you name the draft as seems suitable, and when a reviewer eventually accepts your draft they will sort out the naming, including adding or changing DAB pages and redirects as required. ColinFine (talk) 21:13, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

I need help
I messed up this artical well trying to add my photo and I promise I'll quit Wikipedia after I get it sorted out. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2022_Afghanistan_earthquake — Preceding unsigned comment added by PokeyMama (talk • contribs) 21:30, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * See my reply to your comment at Talk:June 2022 Afghanistan earthquake. ― Tartan357  Talk 21:35, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Please don't give up on Wikipedia just because you got something wrong! We've all got things wrong at some time. ColinFine (talk) 22:25, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

[show] and [hide] buttons not working
I am editing on my iPad and when I’m on pages it won’t let me click the [show] or [hide] buttons. It has worked before on this device, but doesn’t work most of the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GameOfAwesome (talk • contribs) 21:40, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the show and hide buttons are. Have you tried switching from desktop to mobile view, or back again? TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  23:15, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Please post an example (always post an example) including where on the page. Are you using the mobile version (which shouldn't have show/hide links), the desktop version (which works on my iPhone), or an app when it happens? The mobile version has a "Desktop" link at the bottom and the desktop version has a "Mobile view" link. Does it work if you log out? Are you referring to edit pages in VisualEditor and not viewing pages? I don't know whether hide/show has ever worked in VisualEditor, or has ever been supposed to work. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:01, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The buttons do work when i log out, does it have to do with any of my settings?GameOfAwesome (talk) 17:03, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Please answer the other questions so we know which problem you have. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:41, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I am using the desktop version and viewing a regular page — Preceding unsigned comment added by GameOfAwesome (talk • contribs)
 * PLEASE POST AN EXAMPLE so we don't waste time examining somewhere you might not have the problem. Since it works to log out, also name your skin at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:12, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * For Example, If I am on the page for Joe Biden, and I click the [show] next to Other Offices, It does nothing — Preceding unsigned comment added by GameOfAwesome (talk • contribs)
 * It's caused by  in User:GameOfAwesome/common.js. The script User:Thespaceface/ImperialFirst.js hasn't been edited since 2017. Based on the latest edit  the author was aware of problems and tried to solve it by expanding all collapsible boxes in advance. Maybe it worked in 2017. Thespaceface hasn't edited since November 2021. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:27, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @PrimeHunter Thank you so much! It worked! GameOfAwesome (talk) 17:08, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

can I replace the entire text of a long page/entry - or is this kind of editing disliked or not accepted especially if the topic raises rather strong emotions
To the Wikipedia evaluators (editors?) Upon recently reading the Wikipedia entry or page 'Cambridge Capital Controversy' (is page or entry the correct term?) I found that it is often very unclear; that it gives too much space to divergences on growth theory, even attributing to these divergences the birth of the controversy, which seems highly disputable; that some important aspects of the controversy are totally missed, for example the cryptic reference to intertemporal equilibrium theory by Solow and Samuelson, or the still very neoclassical conception of capital in the famous article by Joan Robinson that starts the controversy, or the absence of any neoclassical reply to the critics’ objections after about 1975. Also, the use of numerical examples renders the presentation much slower than necessary, quicker explanations are possible. Overall, the extant entry appears to have been written by someone with fairly extended knowledge of the controversy but not very clear on some important issues. I tried to elaborate partial edits but found it was extremely hard to correct all the defects with small edits. So, being rather competent on the topic, I propose a total replacement of the extant entry with a new one. The result is a longer entry, but I think a much more accurate and clearer entry. I do not know the procedure Wikipedia adopts in a case like this one and do not even know how to get this new text considered, but the total replacement of the text of an entry with a different text seems a rather drastic edit, even when as in the present case there is no fundamental disagreement on the general message the entry should transmit and it is more a matter of precision, details and completeness. So I would like to receive information on whether my proposed total edit is contrary to Wikipedia’s policies, or I can go ahead with it, or I should first propose it (how?) to a community of editors/evaluators and receive comments and suggestions for rewriting before proceeding with publishing it in place of the extant content. Signed: Mimuli Mimuli (talk) 23:18, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mimuli: Replacing the text wholesale is virtually guaranteed to get you reverted. I strongly suggest you discuss this on Talk:Cambridge capital controversy to see if any interested editors are willing to discuss this with you. Also make sure you have reliable sources to back up your claims, because that's what Wikipedia uses as a foundation. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:37, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * , over 100 editors have contributed to that article going back 18 years and there have been 424 individual edits. The editor who made the largest number of contributions is a university economics professor who is now inactive. You are such an inexperienced editor that you do not even know the basic terminology such as "articles" and "editors". Wiping out 18 years of work by other people because you do not like the article would be disrespectful and disruptive. Incremental change is the way to go, and your edits must be grounded in Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Take the time to familiarize yourself with the most important of them. Since you claim to be, I recommend that you read Expert editors, and take to heart the excellent advice you will find there. Cullen328 (talk) 00:00, 23 June 2022 (UTC)