Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 June 26

= June 26 =

COP
I want to donate but you are asking me to pay in Colombia pesos. I can only donate in USA dollars. So how do I do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.133.130.47 (talk) 00:50, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesn't ask for donations; the Wikimedia Foundation does. It might be where you're located, but this page has more information. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:33, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

My content is being removed i need reason
I have been adding content and linking it to the proper source but still, my content is removed every time I need to know the reason — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raghav247 (talk • contribs) 05:27, 26 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Website homepages are absolutely worthless as sources. You need to link to specific pages on that domain if they're to be considered as sources, otherwise you're only making more work for us. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 05:58, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Oliver Onions
Hi, This edit is technically beyond me, so I'd like to ask someone else to do it.

In the first introductory paragraph of the entry for writer Oliver Onions, the first sentence ends with "over 40 novels" and cites Kunitz and Haycraft. Two things: 1. I have this book, and this quantity of works is not mentioned there, so the reference is incorrect. 2. All the research I've done suggests that Onions did not write this number of novels, so it's also incorrect factually.

I could edit out the sentence to simply read "and novels" and remove the reference at that point. But that would mess up the numbering of the references, which I don't know how to fix.

Hoping someone who has better skills can sort this one out.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,

Mike Walmer Spikenard65 (talk) 07:56, 26 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Spikenard65, I have changed "over 40 novels" to "novels" and moved the reference as it is used later in the article. TSventon (talk) 09:06, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Spikenard65 (talk) 05:45, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

TRAPPIST-1 citation error
TRAPPIST-1 insists that the Vallenari 2022 ref has no target, even though it has. And the reference even links to it. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:30, 26 June 2022 (UTC)


 * @Jo-Jo Eumerus I don't see an error in the article. Did you fix it?  GoingBatty (talk) 04:32, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * After poking around a bit with Special:ExpandTemplates, I saw how the error category was being added and looked up the way to suppress it: Template:Sfn. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:18, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Copying and translating content of another page in a different language
I would like to copy this page from German Wikipedia to the English Wikipedia: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_von_Graffen

At one point it existed in english but someone deleted all the information. I would like to reinstate it - with all the links. I am completely new to editing Wiki pages so I have no idea how to do this. Many thanks AngieLCL (talk) 11:03, 26 June 2022 (UTC)


 * We already have an article: Karl von Graffen. As for translating from the German Wikipedia article, this might be problematic, as their article doesn't seem to cite much in the way of sources (or at least, to make clear where the content is sourced to), which we would require. Any translated content would have to be attributed: see Help:Translation. AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:54, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Claim of Conflict of Interest & Copyright
Hi, I am the Website Officer for Phoenix Reading Hockey Club and have full control of the content on prhockeyclub.co.uk. I have recently began to create a Wiki page for our club - this information is unbias, strictly factual, and as per everything I write from a neutral perspective.

The information I supplied was initially claimed to be Copyrighted material. As the Website Officer for the club, I give assurances that it is not Copyright material, and is simply a background on how the club was formed.

The second dispute was a Conflict of Interest. I am an un-paid employee for the club. The only paid employees are external coaches or specialists.

My question: how do I upload any neutral and unbias information about our club without the constant disputes? As the Website Officer, I am one of the most qualified people to supply history and information on the club.

Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeJones1993 (talk • contribs) 16:53, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Please read about conflict of interest. If you are compensated for your position and/or work, the Terms of Use require you to make a formal disclosure, please see WP:PAID for instructions. Please understand Wikipedia has articles, not "wiki pages". Articles are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the topic. Wikipedia is not interested in what an organization says about itself or what it considers to be its own history; a Wikipedia article about an organization must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the organization, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable organization. In short, Wikipedia is interested in what others say the history of your club is, not what it says it is. 331dot (talk) 17:10, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * By law, Any material that is published anywhere is copyrighted automatically. This includes the material you your web site. Unless the copyright holder explicitly, in writing, licenses the material or releases to the public domain, we cannot allow it on Wikipedia. Your best move here is to add a copyright notice on your web site that explicitly licenses the material under a license that is acceptable to Wikipedia. CC-BY-SA is the usual license. -Arch dude (talk) 17:12, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @GeJones1993 If you remove the existing copyright notice from your Web site, and replace that with a notice that licenses the page under CC-BY-SA, then you are releasing the contents for the whole world to use, modify, etc. Make sure you understand what that CC license means.  For better info, please see donating copyrighted materials.   That's the technical answer.  The other advice, about whether the material is suitable, still applies. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:31, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * But while Arch dude's suggestion would deal with the copyright issue, it would not address the (ir)relevance of the content of your club's website to a Wikipedia article about the club. While an article may source a small amount of uncontroversial factual information from non-independent sources, it is unlikely that material published by the club will be suitable in tone or point of view. ColinFine (talk) 23:08, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @GeJones1993: When I look at prhockeyclub.co.uk I see that the bottom of the page states "©Pitch Hero Ltd 2008-2022". The Terms of Service also state in two places that the material is protected by copyright.  GoingBatty (talk) 04:30, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @GeJones1993 Unpaid employees are considered to fall under the "paid" guidelines by WP. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:32, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Eunice Shade
Hi. I am Eunice Shade. This page in wikipedia is about me: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunice_Shade I would like to erase the page but I do not know why some users of wikipedia do not allow me. Please help me to erase the page, the page is about my life and I do not want my life there, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eunicelopezsanchez (talk • contribs) 18:49, 26 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but this is the help page for the English-language Wikipedia. We have no control over content on the Spanish-language Wikipedia and you will have to resolve the matter there. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:04, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Eunicelopezsanchez Try asking here: Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:06, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * She has been blocked by Conflict of Interest in Spanish language Wikipedia. She was trying to delete this article (her biography). --Ravave (talk) 12:02, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism help request from
I have noticed some vandalism at Stavros Halkias. Namely, Stavros recently left his position as one of the hosts of the podcast Cum Town. A Wikipedia user added a "controversies" section to his Wikipedia page which contains poorly sourced information which is not notable or relevant. I believe this was motivated by a personal dislike of the subject, and don't believe the section belongs on the article. Other users have attempted to remove the most egregious parts of this section, but users keep reverting the changes. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, Flyabynyt (talk) 19:50, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Addition of content whose inclusion you disagree with is not WP:Vandalism, which specifically means edits designed to harm the article/Wikipedia. it is merely WP:Content dispute which you and the other editor(s) involved should civilly discuss and reach a compromise on.
 * I notice that the content in question has 7 references. Whether or not the cited sources are reliable or not can be investigated and discussed, but Wikipedia takes a Neutral Point of View, which requires a balance of "good" and "bad" information about the subject in proportion to what is reliably published about them. It should not be used to present a "sanitised" image of a subject, which would border on Promotion.
 * Speculating on another editor's motives for adding information is bordering on failing to Assume Good Faith. Since you seem to have such a concern for this subject (and aside from this post have only edited the article about him), can you assure us that you have no Conflict of Interest to declare?
 * Disclaimer: I have never previously heard of this subject, live on a different continent, and have no personal stake in this matter, beyond seeing Wikipedia be properly used. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.201.73.76 (talk) 11:52, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Please help with AfD listing Secular clergy page
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bodding (talk • contribs)

Courtesy link Articles for deletion/Secular clergy


 * See also Lay ministry.  Maproom (talk) 22:31, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, exactly my point. Well said. see Lay ecclesial ministry. But they are not clergy. The title does not confer membership into the clergy. Only Ordination can do that, and that includes the Greek Orthodox and Anglican churches. Lay and secular do not equal clergy. But I can understand it seeming so. Altar servers are not clergy, yet they serve right along side priests at the altar. Bodding (talk) 23:03, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The current discussion at AfD is lengthy and lively. Please do not Forum shop. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.201.73.76 (talk) 12:01, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

How to cite the same book (Google Print vs Google Ebook)
I'm working on a draft with a friend and I've come across an issue where I have a book that has two different Google Books pages and also two different ISBN numbers, despite being the same book. The only difference between them I can discern is that one is a print edition and the other is an Ebook edition, despite both being accessible and viewable in Google Books now. You can even see a link in the upper left of the former stating "View Ebook" that links to the latter page. What's the best way to cite these in a reference list? Should they be separate references entirely? Silver seren C 22:37, 26 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Sivlerseren. A citation of a book is to the book - possibly to a particular edition of the book, but not to any particular format. The citation should contain useful bibliographic information such as title, author, publisher, date, page number (in the edition of that date). For convenience of the reader it is helpful to include things like ISBN, and link to Google Books, but these are not an essential part of the citation. If you find two different formats have different ISBNs you should ideally give the ISBN of the copy you consulted (it sometimes used to be the case that hardback and paperback versions of a book had different ISBNs - I don't know whether this still happens). Some Ebook formats do not have fixed pagination (it depends on the user's formatting choices), so it seems undesirable to cite that format if it can be avoided. I guess that if you find the passage in a Google Books snippet and can verify it has the same information, you can then cite that edition, as you have consulted it.
 * This is a bit of a rambling answer: does it help? ColinFine (talk) 23:21, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * A bit, . The main issue here is that when searching the draft subject's name in the preview options for both Google Books pages, you actually get different results. One shows two pages discussing the subject and the other shows 5 different pages, including the Appendix, discussing the person. Herein lies the dilemma and is probably why my fellow editor included them as separate references. Silver  seren C 23:24, 26 June 2022 (UTC)