Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 March 11

= March 11 =

Is there anything I should do about this?
I've lately seen a few editing summaries on BLPs stating that the user making the edit is either the subject of the BLP or a relative. Is there anything I should do about this? If so, what? InterstateFive (talk) - just another roadgeek 03:02, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi there! You could share WP:COI with them, encourage them to declare their COI on their user page, and encourage them to submit suggestions to the article talk page in the future.  You could also add Connected contributor to the article talk page.  GoingBatty (talk) 03:29, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @GoingBatty My real concern was what if they aren't who they state? What should I do then? InterstateFive (talk) - just another roadgeek 03:32, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * If they state they are a BLP or relative, then they shouldn't edit the article. If they're not who they claim they are, maybe they'll own up to it when you tell them they can't edit the article.  Any changes they make to the article should be supported by reliable published sources - claiming to be the subject or a relative isn't good enough.  If sources aren't provided, then consider reverting the changes.  GoingBatty (talk) 03:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * When I put up a "connected contributor" notice, I mention in the edit summary what the situation is; e.g., "claims to be subject"; "claims to be grandchild of subject"; "claims to be SEO/IT director of subject". -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  03:58, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * When I add a "connected contributor" notice, I use the otherlinks parameter to link to the diff where they made their declaration claim. GoingBatty (talk) 04:39, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Karen Joy Fowler
User:BruceODeming Special:Contributions/BruceODeming sloppy 2015-08-13 edits of Karen Joy Fowler still remain. It could use tags, hatnotes, etc. ... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 06:06, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * That editor has not edited since 2015. If you have suggestions regarding that article, the place for them is Talk:Karen Joy Fowler, or you can, of course, make the improvements yourself.  --David Biddulph (talk) 09:35, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

John Young
MY NAME IS JOHN YOUNG AND I WAS THE FIRST PERSON IN 1962 TO RUN FROM WELLINGTON TO AUCKLAND IN 1964 I WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO RUN FROM BLUFF TO CAPE REINGA. I AM SO DISAPPOINTED TO READ THAT MY NAME IS NOT HONOURED FOR MY EFFORTS AS A LONG-DISTANCE RUNNER. I WAS A MEMBER OF THE OWAIRAKA ATHLETIC CLUB AND WAS COACHED BY ARTHUR LYDIARD. I RAN ALONGSIDE MANY OF THE WONDERFUL ATHLETES THAT WERE EVER REPRESENTATIVES OF NEW ZEALAND. I FEEL REALLY SAD THAT I AM UNDEREXPOSED AS ONE OF NEW ZEALAND'S FIRST LONG-DISTANCE RUNNERS. I HOPE THAT YOUR COMPANY WILL LOOK INTO THE REQUEST I AM ASKING FOR. THE NEW ZEALAND HERALD HAS WRITTEN REPORTS ON MY ATHLETIC PERFORMANCES FROM 1962 1964 1968. KINDEST REGARDS DR. JOHN YOUNG — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.19.201 (talk) 09:15, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I have added a new section heading, as I assume that your question is not about Karen Joy Fowler. If you have a question about a particular article the place to ask is on that article's talk page.  If you want to write an article about yourself, you need to read the advice against autobiography, and in particular you need to understand Wikipedia's definition of notability, and in particular WP:Notability (sports).  After that you can read the advice at WP:Your first article.  And please don't SHOUT;  it is regarded as impolite and makes your message more difficult to read.  --David Biddulph (Gronk Oz (talk) 13:45, 11 March 2022 (UTC)k:David Biddulph|talk]]) 09:27, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * John, Wikipedia is written by volunteers - nobody assigns writing assignments. I have passed on your request to WikiProject Athletics in the hope that somebody there might be interested in writing the article.--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:45, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

harvnb
Hi - I have noticed probably thousands of incomplete (unverifiable) citations in Wikipedia attributed to harvnb - typically, the syntax is  - is this a bot or someone who is systematically under citing? It is hard to clean up entries when there are so many of these in a single article but if they are legitimate, then I am missing something probably pretty basic here in my wiki-education (my default position).Geneus01 (talk) 10:00, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I have added nowiki tags to your question so that readers can see the syntax to which you refer. Have you read Template:harvnb?  Could you give an example of a page which you believe is inappropriately referenced in this way?  It isn't a form of referencing which I use, but if you give us an example, editors who use it regularly will be able to give you an answer.  --David Biddulph (talk) 10:34, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Geneus01. harvnb and the similar sfn are valid ways of creating a citation. In general they have three part name, year, and page. As an example or, note that the sfn type don't use tags. There is another part to these, there should be a cite somewhere in the article to a book, website, Journal or such that matches the details given. So in the example given  would be a valid reference, and the harvnb and sfn examples would link to it. If you have a specific article I can be more specific. These are valid though, and shouldn't be removed. LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmission∆ °co-ords° 10:49, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I have mocked up an example in my sandbox, to show how it all links up. LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmission∆ °co-ords° 11:00, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Nominating Draft:Plugg (music) to become a real article
My men, please help me nominate that draft to get it moved into article space. I have no idea how to do that. I've started it in late January, I was seriously expanding it until early Feb and now I am seeing interest from other wikipedians who also started to contribute to it. The draft has a great deal of sources and it is de facto a real article now as others began contributing to it but still residing in draft space. Thanks PDDisPDDat (talk) 10:39, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @PDDisPDDat: It seems you (or someone else) has already submitted it for review. All you can do now is wait and continue editing it in the meantime. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:51, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've found WP:Drafts page and found a solution there PDDisPDDat (talk) 14:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Unable to find my article on google search.
I updated an article about Martieon Watson a football player on 9 March 2022. But I am unable to find it in google search or Wikipedia search. I want to know why this is happening. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nexgem Sports (talk • contribs) 13:15, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Nexgem Sports/sandbox isn't publised. You would need to submit it for WP:AFC. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:21, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The item as drafted, to date, is unlikely to be accepted. The criteria at the football notability guidelines and WP:NSPORTS generally have undergone a lot of changes recently many of which have yet to be fully resolved. The former guidelines required that he had played in a fully professional league or as a top-level international. However, the guidelines now are more slanted toward the general notability critieria. This means that Wikipedia will require in-depth coverage of the player in multiple reliable sources which *must* be independent of the subject. The only source is to what looks like your own website and therefore may not be considered usable on Wikipedia. Your username cannot imply shared or corporate use and a change should be requested via WP:UNC. If you have a connection to the subject you will need to read WP:PAID and WP:COI and make the necessary declarations.
 * In addition, even if the draft is accepted, it will not be indexed by search engine for 90 days or until it is reviewed, whichever comes soonest. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 14:35, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Oroks wiki page
This is less of a question and more of a request. I've never edited on Wikipedia before but on the wiki page there is a part that acknowledges these people would prefer to be referred to as ul'ta or uilta and that orok is a derogatory term. Would it be possible to change this like out of respect? 209.94.47.105 (talk) 15:31, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * On the English Wikipedia, article titles are determined by the subject's common name as used by reliable sources. If it can be demonstrated that the majority of English reliable sources uses Uilta over Orok, then this could be considered; otherwise, Wikipedia is not censored. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:39, 11 March 2022 (UTC)


 * If you can find additional reliable sources that show that the people themselves consider the term to be derogatory, then this should be moved from the "etymology" section into the article's lead section. We are not censored, but we do try to be sensitive to this sort of thing. As of now, we only have claims from an associated Japanese organization referring to the larger group of which the Russian group is a subset. If you prefer not to edit the Oroks page yourself, then discuss this on it's talk page: talk:Oroks. -Arch dude (talk) 17:45, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

How do I insert a PDF file into a question that I want to ask at the Reference Desks?
How do I insert a PDF file into a question that I want to ask at the Reference Desks? What do I need to do, exactly? I have never "downloaded" a file onto Wikipedia ... and don't even know if it's possible (as part of a Reference / Help Desk question) ... ? Please advise. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:08, 11 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Or ... a WORD or Excel file, for that matter ... ?  Or a photo file ... ?  Thanks.    Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:08, 11 March 2022 (UTC)


 * In general, you don't. You can put it somewhere else on the web and provide a link. To add it to Wikipedia, you upload it like any other file, but it is subject to all of the copyright and/or fair use rules that apply to any other uploaded file, such as an image file. Such a file is in one of two separate file repositories and not "in" the reference desk question. To add the image to your question, you would use the same syntax that you use to add an image to an article or add an image here at the help desk. -Arch dude (talk) 17:55, 11 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Sorry, but I did not understand a word that you said.  Sorry about that.  I have never “downloaded” – if that’s the correct word – any files to Wikipedia.  And I don’t know how to do so.  Also, I have never “downloaded” any files directly to the internet / world-wide-web … and I would not even know how to do so.  Also, I can’t imagine that I would actually need to do so.  (But, who knows?)  So … let me re-phrase my original question.  I want to post a question to (one of) the Wikipedia Reference Desks.  The question would – in essence – say, “Please look at this document … I have a question about it”.   And I would like the responders (Wikipedia editors) to be able to see the document, and its contents, in order to answer my question about that document.  At this exact moment … I am not sure – yet – if my file is a Word, Excel, PDF, or photo file, or whatever … ?  So, how can I post a question at a Wikipedia Reference Desk … for which the responding party (Wikipedia editor) would need to take a look at the specific file that I have a question about?    Thanks.   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:57, 11 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Also, to be clear ... this is simply a document that I created myself. Not the work of any other party.  I can format it in Word, or Excel, or as a PDF, or as a photo or a screen shot. Or whatever.   Whichever is easiest for these purposes.  Thanks.    Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:58, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Joseph A. Spadaro: The word you're looking for is upload. Easiest way would be to host it from an external site, but the file upload wizard should hopefully be able to walk you through the steps required. Since you say it's your own work, you shouldn't run into too many hurdles. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:10, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Some terminology:: when you upload something, you copy it from your computer to somewhere on the internet. When you download something, you copy it from somewhere on the internet to your computer — think of the internet as being up in the clouds. When you read a Wikipedia page, its content, including images and stuff, gets downloaded to your computer. You've never worried about how this happens because your browser manages the downloading for you. Maproom (talk) 20:12, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, all ... for all of the help above. It seems I managed to upload the file, after all ... due to your help. Thanks again. If anyone wants to see the file/question ... see here: Reference desk/Language. Thanks again! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Reference assistance
Can someone help me with the references for this page, please? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ribose-seq Also if someone could have a look at getting it published ASAP, I'd greatly appreciate it! It's for a grad school project and our profs wanted it finalized and published by today. Thank you! Kmjohns (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Kmjohns: Unfortunately, because Wikipedia is a volunteer project, AfC reviewers pick and choose drafts they want to review, so there is no guarantee of having a draft reviewed by a certain date. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:23, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Do I need to fix the references at the bottom before it can be approved? Kmjohns (talk) 18:31, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I won't do your homework for you but the obvious ref things that jump out at me are author which in most (all?) cases should be vauthors because the format of the assigned values follows the Vancouver System. doi values do not belong in pmid so for those use doi (if not already present in the citation template).  Do not put external link urls  in title.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 18:26, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, the assignment is graded on content not reference formatting. I'm brand new to this and I have zero coding experience so I'm not entirely sure what you mean. If it's a quick fix could you have a go at it for me, please? Kmjohns (talk) 18:33, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay I think I fixed it, thank you for your help. Kmjohns (talk) 19:07, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I sympathize, but we are volunteers and we explicitly do not have a deadline (WP:DEADLINE), and especially not one created by your professors. You should find a diplomatic way to let you professors know that this sort of thing can antagonize at least some of us. -Arch dude (talk) 01:49, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I sympathize, but we are volunteers and we explicitly do not have a deadline (WP:DEADLINE), and especially not one created by your professors. You should find a diplomatic way to let you professors know that this sort of thing can antagonize at least some of us. -Arch dude (talk) 01:49, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

'Read' replaced by 'Kenkan' in British English?
Hi, since yesterday I've noticed that after I'm logged in, the word 'Read' near the top of the page of an article etc., beside the words 'Edit source' and 'View history', changes to 'Kenkan'. My language setting is British English; when I change it to simply English or Canadian English it says 'Read'; only in the British English setting does it say 'Kenkan' (which makes no sense to me). Why is this? J ACKINTHE  B  OX   • TALK 18:58, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @JackintheBox: This is already being discussed at the Teahouse. It appears it's a bad translation that's been fixed, so the changes should appear sometime. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:14, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Removing tag
Can somebody please explain how paid editing tags can be removed? Ecars98 (talk) 21:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It depends on the situation. In general, a paid editing flagged article has to be reviewed to make sure there are no problematic edits. The editor should also have disclosed their paid status, either on their user page or on the article talk page.  Personally I prefer the talk page, to save hunting.  Here's the disclosure info explaining what to do: Paid-contribution disclosure.  There's also information at the template page: Template:Paid contributions. Which article is it? TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  21:21, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing Razmig Hovaghimian. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  02:04, 12 March 2022 (UTC)